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Replying To Carlowrising: "An amalgamated area team Rathanna, Borris and Ballymurphy" I thinks Carps point is that they are one club, yes MLR are from amalgamated areas but they are the one club for football & hurling. Naomh Brid are made up of 3 different football clubs, Old Leighlin, Ballinabranna & Leighlinbridge. Burren Rangers are also from 3 amalgamated football clubs & seems to be working for now but so did Naomh Brid for a while. carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 23/06/2024 21:58:19 2554175 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "An amalgamated area team Rathanna, Borris and Ballymurphy" Is it really so hard for you to understand? There are no clubs in Ballymurphy, Rathanna or Boris. There is one DUAL club. Called Mount Leinster Rangers. Get it? Naomh Brid, Carlow Town, Burrin Rangers are area teams. Because they pull from multiple football clubs. My point is that Naomh Brid can't work while it's reliant on three football clubs. So the solution, as I see it, is for either the football clubs to merge and form one dual club (the best idea in my opinion) or for Ballinabranna to be allowed start hurling again. And return to being a de facto dual club. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 23/06/2024 22:05:04 2554181 Link
Given the success of Kildavin (granted this is only their second season back), Ballinabranna going it alone is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. Amalgamating football clubs/areas into one hurling club is a good idea in principal, but football clubs don't support it and sometimes actively advise their players not to play hurling. Burren Rangers are going well and making strides at underage, but it's one thing operating at Junior level, trying to play senior and be competitive is another. We will see over the next 5-10 years if they face the same issues that Naomh Brid and Carlow Town have. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 24/06/2024 06:18:48 2554207 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Is it really so hard for you to understand? There are no clubs in Ballymurphy, Rathanna or Boris. There is one DUAL club. Called Mount Leinster Rangers. Get it? Naomh Brid, Carlow Town, Burrin Rangers are area teams. Because they pull from multiple football clubs. My point is that Naomh Brid can't work while it's reliant on three football clubs. So the solution, as I see it, is for either the football clubs to merge and form one dual club (the best idea in my opinion) or for Ballinabranna to be allowed start hurling again. And return to being a de facto dual club." Ah right I get you now why didn't you say so. None of those football teams are in any bother and have no intention of amalgamating. More clubs leads to more participation if you start amalgamating left right and centre we will be left with a massive reduction in clubs and participation. The only football club that might need to consider amalgamating in the near future is Kilbride and fair play to them for keeping the show on the road over the past 5 years. So unless Ballinabranna can put together a strong case for a sustainable hurling club starting from scratch that won't interfere with Naomi Brid (who recently felt the need to pull out their senior team from championship), it would be a naive move for the greater good of Carlow hurling. Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 139 - 24/06/2024 08:35:27 2554226 Link
Replying To TaosHum: "Given the success of Kildavin (granted this is only their second season back), Ballinabranna going it alone is probably the best thing that can happen at this point. Amalgamating football clubs/areas into one hurling club is a good idea in principal, but football clubs don't support it and sometimes actively advise their players not to play hurling. Burren Rangers are going well and making strides at underage, but it's one thing operating at Junior level, trying to play senior and be competitive is another. We will see over the next 5-10 years if they face the same issues that Naomh Brid and Carlow Town have." Sometimes? More like often. And I agree with you on Burrin. Carlow Town and Naomh Brid also do quite well at underage. The problem is after minor. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 24/06/2024 10:21:39 2554291 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "Ah right I get you now why didn't you say so. None of those football teams are in any bother and have no intention of amalgamating. More clubs leads to more participation if you start amalgamating left right and centre we will be left with a massive reduction in clubs and participation. The only football club that might need to consider amalgamating in the near future is Kilbride and fair play to them for keeping the show on the road over the past 5 years. So unless Ballinabranna can put together a strong case for a sustainable hurling club starting from scratch that won't interfere with Naomi Brid (who recently felt the need to pull out their senior team from championship), it would be a naive move for the greater good of Carlow hurling." You're contradicting yourself there. If Ballinabranna had an intermediate team, and the two Leighlin clubs had an intermediate hurling team, you'd have two IHC teams, not one. And I actually believe the parish should have one football club. Any club that can't field its own underage teams should be looking at merging. If Ballon, Cocks and Kilbride came together properly, you could have another MLR there. A very strong dual club. Same with the two Leighlins and Ballinabranna. At the moment all of them are at nothing. In both codes. Also think if O'Hanrahans and Asca both continue to struggle to field at underage, they should be having a similar conversation. Perhaps Carlow Town and Setanta might want to join that chat. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 24/06/2024 10:27:21 2554298 Link
I'd be for dual clubs, I think we could have two in Carlow town no problem, I think palatine with their numbers should dual the whole way up. Its a pity about naomh brid so either allow balinabranna to dual or find some other workable combo. Barrowsider (Carlow) - Posts: 1636 - 24/06/2024 10:59:11 2554317 Link
Are Balinabranna going to realistically have the numbers on their own? If naomh brid can't sustain a team pulling from 3 clubs how do people think pulling from a smaller pool to start a new team is going to result in a better outcome? Also they'd want to start off in junior. That's not going to be any benefit to hurling in the county if they've no underage structure it'll be the exact same as Pal. The only solution is for the county board to intervene and help out Naomh Brid and see what's going on. Is it a case that players generally don't have an interest now or are football clubs interfering? The split season with hurling first should be helping them as it has in Kildavin not be dragging down back down to intermediate. Honestly looking in from the outside I feel like it's just a cop out on their behalf. They'd 6 county u20s this year….. benchtoaster (Carlow) - Posts: 29 - 24/06/2024 11:18:02 2554337 Link
Replying To CARPS: "You're contradicting yourself there. If Ballinabranna had an intermediate team, and the two Leighlin clubs had an intermediate hurling team, you'd have two IHC teams, not one. And I actually believe the parish should have one football club. Any club that can't field its own underage teams should be looking at merging. If Ballon, Cocks and Kilbride came together properly, you could have another MLR there. A very strong dual club. Same with the two Leighlins and Ballinabranna. At the moment all of them are at nothing. In both codes. Also think if O'Hanrahans and Asca both continue to struggle to field at underage, they should be having a similar conversation. Perhaps Carlow Town and Setanta might want to join that chat." From what I'm hearing Ballinabranna aren't contributing much to Namoh Brids senior team anyway so let them off to reform St Fintans & leave Old Leighlin & Leighlinbridge to play as Naomh Brid or if needs be let them reform Parnells. Would have 2 decent interimediate teams in a short time instead of a very poor senior team. As regards merging, there is not a hope in hell the 3 football clubs out there would ever merge at Adult level. The rivalry is too great They already play together at underage level as Michael Davitts but then head back to their adult clubs. Might be an idea for Naomh Brid, play together at underage then head back to Parnells & St Fintans at adult level. Bit unfair to say the 3 clubs are at nothing. Old Leighlin have been a very consistent senior team for years & contested the div 1 league final recently. Ballinabranna are regular winners of the interimediate championship & contested the div 2 final recently. Leighlinbridge are working very hard to get out of Junior A & won the div 3 final recently. carlo (Carlow) - Posts: 227 - 24/06/2024 15:51:30 2554470 Link
Replying To benchtoaster: "Are Balinabranna going to realistically have the numbers on their own? If naomh brid can't sustain a team pulling from 3 clubs how do people think pulling from a smaller pool to start a new team is going to result in a better outcome? Also they'd want to start off in junior. That's not going to be any benefit to hurling in the county if they've no underage structure it'll be the exact same as Pal. The only solution is for the county board to intervene and help out Naomh Brid and see what's going on. Is it a case that players generally don't have an interest now or are football clubs interfering? The split season with hurling first should be helping them as it has in Kildavin not be dragging down back down to intermediate. Honestly looking in from the outside I feel like it's just a cop out on their behalf. They'd 6 county u20s this year….." They should play together at underage. It'd be the same players as Davitt's. The problem is at adult level. There's intense rivalry between the 3 football clubs. And it's mentally impossible to park that when you hurl. Plus, it's well know that the football clubs - especially one of them - discourage hurling. Split season doesn't help because the football clubs keep training, and playing challenge games, during it. It's different for Kildavin. They are one dual club. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 24/06/2024 18:18:19 2554516 Link
Replying To carlo: "From what I'm hearing Ballinabranna aren't contributing much to Namoh Brids senior team anyway so let them off to reform St Fintans & leave Old Leighlin & Leighlinbridge to play as Naomh Brid or if needs be let them reform Parnells. Would have 2 decent interimediate teams in a short time instead of a very poor senior team. As regards merging, there is not a hope in hell the 3 football clubs out there would ever merge at Adult level. The rivalry is too great They already play together at underage level as Michael Davitts but then head back to their adult clubs. Might be an idea for Naomh Brid, play together at underage then head back to Parnells & St Fintans at adult level. Bit unfair to say the 3 clubs are at nothing. Old Leighlin have been a very consistent senior team for years & contested the div 1 league final recently. Ballinabranna are regular winners of the interimediate championship & contested the div 2 final recently. Leighlinbridge are working very hard to get out of Junior A & won the div 3 final recently." Okay, you're right about the clubs muddling along. But the fact is Leighlin are in Junior A, and Ballinabranna yo-yo between IFC and SFC. Old Leighlin are better, yes, but lack the numbers to compete consistently with the bigger powers. A unified club could challenged Eire Og, Palatine and Rathvilly. Basically, I see MLR and Bagenalstown Gaels as huge successes, and I feel the way forward in Carlow is dual clubs. I also think if a club can't field at underage, it should look at merging with neighbours. Of course, identity is important, but I'd prefer Carlow fewer, but stronger, clubs - and all of them dual. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 24/06/2024 18:22:55 2554518 Link
Replying To CARPS: "Okay, you're right about the clubs muddling along. But the fact is Leighlin are in Junior A, and Ballinabranna yo-yo between IFC and SFC. Old Leighlin are better, yes, but lack the numbers to compete consistently with the bigger powers. A unified club could challenged Eire Og, Palatine and Rathvilly. Basically, I see MLR and Bagenalstown Gaels as huge successes, and I feel the way forward in Carlow is dual clubs. I also think if a club can't field at underage, it should look at merging with neighbours. Of course, identity is important, but I'd prefer Carlow fewer, but stronger, clubs - and all of them dual." Something both MLR and Bagenalstown have also done,, that has greatly helped juggling both hurling and football, is having the same coach for both codes. TaosHum (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 25/06/2024 08:01:14 2554619 Link
Replying To CARPS: "You're contradicting yourself there. If Ballinabranna had an intermediate team, and the two Leighlin clubs had an intermediate hurling team, you'd have two IHC teams, not one. And I actually believe the parish should have one football club. Any club that can't field its own underage teams should be looking at merging. If Ballon, Cocks and Kilbride came together properly, you could have another MLR there. A very strong dual club. Same with the two Leighlins and Ballinabranna. At the moment all of them are at nothing. In both codes. Also think if O'Hanrahans and Asca both continue to struggle to field at underage, they should be having a similar conversation. Perhaps Carlow Town and Setanta might want to join that chat." If the county board had any ambition, they'd be facilitating a conversation where Blues/CTHC and Eire Og/Setanta would merge to form 2 dual clubs in the town. Croke Park / Leinster Council would need to be involved to provide funding, expertise and a neutral voice to advocate for the greater good to make the option appealing to club members. As you already said, no reason this approach couldn't be taken in Leighlin / Ballon also. Smokeless Red (Carlow) - Posts: 18 - 28/06/2024 06:38:00 2555302 Link
Replying To supersub15: "Any whispers, can Messiah be persuaded I think he can." Paul O'Brien? LimerickForLiam24 (Limerick) - Posts: 122 - 28/06/2024 11:10:17 2555349 Link
Replying To LimerickForLiam24: "Paul O'Brien?" Luke Dempsey's 3rd coming from what I hear Carlowrising (Carlow) - Posts: 139 - 28/06/2024 13:06:44 2555379 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "Luke Dempsey's 3rd coming from what I hear" They might as well lock the gates of the County Grounds then. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 28/06/2024 19:11:12 2555457 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "Luke Dempsey's 3rd coming from what I hear" Plan B. Davy Burke. supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2976 - 29/06/2024 21:45:54 2555754 Link
Replying To supersub15: "Plan B. Davy Burke." He has a three year term with Roscommon. Don't be silly. CARPS (Carlow) - Posts: 685 - 29/06/2024 22:19:26 2555774 Link
Replying To CARPS: "He has a three year term with Roscommon. Don't be silly." Did he not leave Wicklow before his term was up.? supersub15 (Carlow) - Posts: 2976 - 29/06/2024 22:43:17 2555783 Link
Replying To Carlowrising: "Luke Dempsey's 3rd coming from what I hear" Please God no. Overthebar53 (Carlow) - Posts: 249 - 30/06/2024 09:10:53 2555862 Link