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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Think there is qualifers? Can someone confirm.?"
This is from the master fixture list on the GAA's website.

Provincial winner qualifies foR the All Ireland QF.

All-Ireland Senior Football Qualifier
Eligible Counties
The following Counties shall be eligible to participate in the All- Ireland Championship
Qualifiers:
a) The National League Divisions 1 and 2 Counties excluding the four Provincial
Championship Winners in the Competition Year.
b) Any League Division 3 or 4 County (including New York) that has qualified for its
Provincial Championship Final in the Competition Year.
Note
The compositions of the Divisions of the National League will be on the basis of the
outcomes, including those of Promotion and Relegation, determined in the National
League in the current Competition Year. Thus, the two counties promoted from
Division Three in the competition year will be eligible for Tier 1, and the two counties
relegated from Division Two in the competition year will be eligible for Tier 2, unless
otherwise provided for above.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9108 - 11/01/2022 15:15:22    2394539

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There is Qualifiers for Division 1 and 2 teams Tailtean Cup for 3 and 4.
Super is are finished

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 11/01/2022 15:17:15    2394540

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "There is Qualifiers for Division 1 and 2 teams Tailtean Cup for 3 and 4.
Super is are finished"
The games really will come thick and fast this year. At the end of this month it's straight into the League. There are a couple of gap weeks during the league as can be seen below. At the conclusion of the league there is a break of a month until our Ulster opener against Armagh. Then the Ulster Championship will be concluded before the end of May. There will no longer be any of these big gaps between Championship games as in previous years.

Fixtures 2022:

NFL

Mayo vs Donegal - 30/01/2022 @ 13:45
Donegal vs Kildare - 06/02/2022 @ 14:30
Kerry vs Donegal - 20/02/2022 @ 13:45
Donegal vs Tyrone - 26/02/2022 @19:30
Donegal vs Monaghan - 13/03/2022 @13:45
Dublin vs Donegal - 20/03/2022 @ 15:45
Donegal vs Armagh - 27/03/2022 @ 13:45

Ulster Championship

QF: Donegal vs Armagh - 24/04/2022

SF: Antrim/Cavan vs Donegal/Armagh - 08/05/2022

Final: TBC vs TBC - 29/05/2022

All Ireland:

QFs - Weekend of June 25th/26th

SFs - Weekend of July 9th/10th

Final - July 24th

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9108 - 11/01/2022 16:07:18    2394546

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I see fibre broadband is being installed in mccumhaill Park and it will rectify the streming issues. It's a pity they didn't know someone who could have laid a of bit cable before now!!

Still plenty pessimism about the management. It's surely a bit early for that. You might as well at least try and focus on some positives.

Maybe a few things from the last night. Some of the shot selections for points were poor. It's something Thompson has to be more disciplined on. He's a great kick but quite often he's kicking for points that are just not on. Conor o'donnell wads guilty as well though a bit mire excusable for him. I think he's a fine player though maybe not on the inside forward line. Think he'd be better running from more out the field. Hope Jamie brennan can get back properly from his ankle surgery. He's possibly being carrying it for a while. At his best he's still a starter on the inside line. He operates well in the tight confines of modern football. He's two footed and two handed and doesn't need much time to get his kick away.

Also good to see ban in the hb line. Just don't move him from there. It's hard to know if any of the younger players in show will make a big impact this year. It's not easy when you throw too many in. You need experienced players on the field guiding them.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 687 - 11/01/2022 19:04:46    2394563

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah if we could get the likes of McF-F & McMenamin fully fit & sharp, and perhaps more importantly that they remain injury free, then that immediately addresses some of the concerns regarding grit or meanness, whatever you want to call it.

There's no doubt that we have a talented crop of players. My own feeling is that we've slipped back into the days of being a decent team, capable certainly of beating anyone on our day. But not a team that the very best fear anymore. In and around 2018/2019, apart from Dublin obviously, I felt that we could mix it with the likes of Kerry, Mayo and definitely Tyrone. But we haven't progressed. The fact that we haven't made an AI semi final since 2014 speaks volumes.

I'd have us at a similar level to Galway now. Lots of talented players but if I'm honest, when it comes down to the real nitty gritty of a tight Championship game I'd have nagging doubts. Would a different management team have made a difference? Possibly. But I'd ask the question - if not Bonner & Rochford then who realistically?

But look, no point in being overly pessimistic. We'll always produce good footballers. There is a real opportunity to reach an Ulster final given the draw. I think that if we don't make the Ulster final at least, or make the quarter finals then change will justifiably be called for."
There are three reasons why I think we failed to progress from 2018/2019.

1. Management still don't know their best starting team, particularly their best back six, and sometimes opt for players based on their name power rather than fitness or physicality. Its important to get match ups right, like consider physicality of opposition.

2. Tactically we seem soft, our defenders are never tight to their men, this is due to coaching. Our half back line was sacrificed in order to facilitate Ryan McHugh and Peadar Mogan as running wing backs. However this leaves our full back line badly exposed.

3. Analyzing the wrong Stats: I believe the stat team are identifying or focusing on the wrong stats, which is maybe misleading the Management team. A player could run up, down and across the pitch all day long at high intensity, but his contribution might be quite poor depending on his role that day.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 12/01/2022 11:19:33    2394601

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Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "
Replying To Commodore:  "I was frustrated at paying €12 to stream it, and only see about 60% due to technical issues!!

It's opening round of McKenna Cup, its about dusting off the cobwebs and giving new players a run out before the League.

Tony 'The Bull' McClenaghan is potentially our Kieran McGeery, he is the natural left wing back if he can stay fit and finally get a run in the team. He is physically tough and showed he can attack if needed. I have been a fan of his for a few years now, but he just couldn't get a clear run of it with injuries etc. I'd like to see him get a run at right left wing back for the National League.

Conor O'Donnell has something about him, his shooting was not great against Down, but his movement and physical stature definitely indicate he has serious potential.

Caolan Ward is one of our best defenders in recent seasons, If he isn't getting into the full back line in the National League, Declan should consider him as No 6 Center half back.

Looking at our shortcomings in 2021, we failed to find the right balance at half back and full back, and our defenders were too stand offish and lacked physicality, which was highlighted repeatedly in National League and ChampionshIp. Thats what I will be looking closely at during the National League, that will show whether we have progressed or not."
Always liked Caolan Ward and i think he should definitely be consider at 2/4 especially over Eoghan Ban who should be playing at half back fro sure. Tony looked good on Friday. As for debutants I don't think any of them showed that they should be in the starting lineup but more bench players. harsh but true"
Its difficult for debutants to show their worth in a game full of newcomers and most are only getting limited time on the field and struggle to settle in.

I think Donegal need more pre-season matches than what McKenna Cup offers, as I don't think the NFL really offers enough time now to test out new players and systems properly.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 12/01/2022 11:22:47    2394604

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Replying To Commodore:  "
Replying To naomh_conaill_4:  "[quote=Commodore:  "I was frustrated at paying €12 to stream it, and only see about 60% due to technical issues!!

It's opening round of McKenna Cup, its about dusting off the cobwebs and giving new players a run out before the League.

Tony 'The Bull' McClenaghan is potentially our Kieran McGeery, he is the natural left wing back if he can stay fit and finally get a run in the team. He is physically tough and showed he can attack if needed. I have been a fan of his for a few years now, but he just couldn't get a clear run of it with injuries etc. I'd like to see him get a run at right left wing back for the National League.

Conor O'Donnell has something about him, his shooting was not great against Down, but his movement and physical stature definitely indicate he has serious potential.

Caolan Ward is one of our best defenders in recent seasons, If he isn't getting into the full back line in the National League, Declan should consider him as No 6 Center half back.

Looking at our shortcomings in 2021, we failed to find the right balance at half back and full back, and our defenders were too stand offish and lacked physicality, which was highlighted repeatedly in National League and ChampionshIp. Thats what I will be looking closely at during the National League, that will show whether we have progressed or not."
Always liked Caolan Ward and i think he should definitely be consider at 2/4 especially over Eoghan Ban who should be playing at half back fro sure. Tony looked good on Friday. As for debutants I don't think any of them showed that they should be in the starting lineup but more bench players. harsh but true"
Its difficult for debutants to show their worth in a game full of newcomers and most are only getting limited time on the field and struggle to settle in.

I think Donegal need more pre-season matches than what McKenna Cup offers, as I don't think the NFL really offers enough time now to test out new players and systems properly."]Every county in Ireland could make the same complaint about the NFL or any pre season games for that mater. I think the time is there and we just have to get on with it now.

The reality is that the field has caught up with us in ulster. Monaghan and Tyrone will be very strong this year.
Derry and Armagh have parity with us. Cavan will be on the rebound from last year. Fermanagh, Antrim and Down are not at the same level as the 6 aforementioned counties.

My point is that basically, we are going to get it tight to win a single game, never mind 2 back to back, regardless of our best efforts.

Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 12/01/2022 12:31:46    2394612

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Maybe it's time for Michael Murphy to take over the show as player/manager after this season, he is made for the job, I think Bonner has done his best and we'll see how it goes this year, or maybe we go outside and get a young hungry manager in with no club ties of favs within the county, start with a clean slate and shake the whole thing up.
I don't think I've ever been this pessimistic before the start of a season, if we can stay in div 1 and make it to the Ulster final is nearly the best we can hope for, some change from 2020 when we were being talked up as the team that could maybe beat the Dubs in the All Ireland semi final.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2737 - 12/01/2022 18:29:34    2394669

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Basing my views on what I've seen from Bonner's team over the years, I hope I'm wrong and I hope he's bringing the Sam Maguire back to the Rosses in late July or whenever the final is to be but in my opinion Donegal should have had a change of management after the Cavan disaster in 2020,
I'm just an ordinary fan with my own opinion, same as anyone else, nothing I'd like more than to see Donegal competing at the very top and having another chance to land the Sam Maguire. I believe we have the talent, we have potential if manged correctly, I just don't believe we have the right man in charge, he doesn't fill me with confidence put it that way."
I get it its the Cavan game that grates. However in fairness to Declan he has identified how we needed to change of playing style and done it. He also put any ego aside and got in Stephen Rochford who if you ask anyone in the know is one of the most highly thought of coaches in the country and was an exciting addition at the time. It just didn't make sense to get rid of the management after the Cavan game with the short turnaround and all the covid nonsense. I do agree that maybe it was time for a change this year but it didn't happen which is fair enough as we lost to the All Ireland champions in a game I think we might've won were it not for the red card. Ironically people are calling for us to be more defensive when it was the opposite when Bonner took over. Again he has gone out and tried to change things in terms of bringing in new voices while retaining Rochford which was important.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 13/01/2022 12:36:50    2394729

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Replying To panamasam:  "I get it its the Cavan game that grates. However in fairness to Declan he has identified how we needed to change of playing style and done it. He also put any ego aside and got in Stephen Rochford who if you ask anyone in the know is one of the most highly thought of coaches in the country and was an exciting addition at the time. It just didn't make sense to get rid of the management after the Cavan game with the short turnaround and all the covid nonsense. I do agree that maybe it was time for a change this year but it didn't happen which is fair enough as we lost to the All Ireland champions in a game I think we might've won were it not for the red card. Ironically people are calling for us to be more defensive when it was the opposite when Bonner took over. Again he has gone out and tried to change things in terms of bringing in new voices while retaining Rochford which was important."
It would be great to see how our lads would perform in Croke Park in an All Ireland quarter final. If memory serves me right, the last time we played there in the Championship was the drawn Kerry game in 2019? Our younger lads certainly didn't look out of place that day. Winning a tight quarter final at HQ could be the making of this current crop. But they need to clear a few hurdles first obviously.

Difficult but Achievable Targets for 2022:

Retain Div 1 status
Beat Armagh at home
Beat Cavan in SF well (avenge 2020)
Beat Tyrone in Ulster Final (obviously no easy feat, but we know that we can beat them on our day)
Win QF

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9108 - 13/01/2022 15:07:49    2394764

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Maybe it's time for Michael Murphy to take over the show as player/manager after this season, he is made for the job, I think Bonner has done his best and we'll see how it goes this year, or maybe we go outside and get a young hungry manager in with no club ties of favs within the county, start with a clean slate and shake the whole thing up.
I don't think I've ever been this pessimistic before the start of a season, if we can stay in div 1 and make it to the Ulster final is nearly the best we can hope for, some change from 2020 when we were being talked up as the team that could maybe beat the Dubs in the All Ireland semi final."
I think he should start by managing a club first and get some experience.

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 13/01/2022 16:12:43    2394789

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Replying To Rolo2010:  "I think he should start by managing a club first and get some experience."
I think he is managing or was managing the team at LYIT, don't think Murph is lacking in the experience dept, think he is a natural born leader too which is a great quality to have.
anyway I'll hope for the best now in 2022, I agree Rochford was a great addition, surprised he hasn't been poached away for the No.1 job in some other county.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2737 - 13/01/2022 18:34:42    2394809

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I think he is managing or was managing the team at LYIT, don't think Murph is lacking in the experience dept, think he is a natural born leader too which is a great quality to have.
anyway I'll hope for the best now in 2022, I agree Rochford was a great addition, surprised he hasn't been poached away for the No.1 job in some other county."
Yeah I think if Galway don't make a good fidt things this year Padhraic Joyce will get the road & I'd imagine Rochford would be a strong candidate to replace him given his success with Corofin in the past.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9108 - 14/01/2022 09:50:33    2394838

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When bonner goes gave the job to rochford. There's nobody in my view better than him. We're fooling ourselves if we think they are he could have left and taken the Galway job a few years ago but he has shown loyalty to Donegal by staying, bonner has to be praised for inticing him in and keeping him till now.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 2389 - 14/01/2022 11:25:24    2394858

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "I think he is managing or was managing the team at LYIT, don't think Murph is lacking in the experience dept, think he is a natural born leader too which is a great quality to have.
anyway I'll hope for the best now in 2022, I agree Rochford was a great addition, surprised he hasn't been poached away for the No.1 job in some other county."
Maxi Curran and Francie Friel in charge of LYIT this year.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 14/01/2022 12:33:12    2394872

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "It would be great to see how our lads would perform in Croke Park in an All Ireland quarter final. If memory serves me right, the last time we played there in the Championship was the drawn Kerry game in 2019? Our younger lads certainly didn't look out of place that day. Winning a tight quarter final at HQ could be the making of this current crop. But they need to clear a few hurdles first obviously.

Difficult but Achievable Targets for 2022:

Retain Div 1 status
Beat Armagh at home
Beat Cavan in SF well (avenge 2020)
Beat Tyrone in Ulster Final (obviously no easy feat, but we know that we can beat them on our day)
Win QF"
I'd agree with that. To be honest retaining division one status and getting to an AI semi final (minimum) be it through Ulster or the qualifier route would be my hopes for the season. Thanks for the feedback last weekend especially on McColgan who is certainly one to keep an eye on. Did I read he is under 20 this year again? If so keep him there.

As I live down the country I went to the Sigerson Cup game Tuesday night with my Donegal cap on. Meath have a great facility in Dunganny just outside Trim which isn't too far from where I am based. It was an impressive sight seeing their various county set ups been put through their paces.

The takeaway points I had from the Sigerson game was firstly the physique and conditioning of the Donegal lads. I haven't seen any inter county football in the flesh in the last couple years especially underage. You can tick off conditioning as an excuse in the future so shout out to those in charge of the S & C work been done. LYIT were blessed to win this. They were probably marginally the better team in the first half but went in down at HT conceding scores largely of their own creation especially the goal. They never looked like coming back in the second half that was well managed by Carlow who probably in hindsight regret not kicking on more when the opportunity was there. LYIT were very systematic in their play with lots of over and back stuff with very little in terms of off the cuff play or flair where the inside forward line might not have been there. Mogan was far and away the best player on the pitch. Jason played well too but it was difficult to pick out individuals in what wasn't a great watch in terms of quality football. Little disappointed with Conor O'Donnell. Got a couple of nice scores but also some poor wides and he'll have been relieved they dug out a win as he was at fault for the goal giving away the ball cheaply.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2779 - 14/01/2022 12:57:39    2394875

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Replying To panamasam:  "I'd agree with that. To be honest retaining division one status and getting to an AI semi final (minimum) be it through Ulster or the qualifier route would be my hopes for the season. Thanks for the feedback last weekend especially on McColgan who is certainly one to keep an eye on. Did I read he is under 20 this year again? If so keep him there.

As I live down the country I went to the Sigerson Cup game Tuesday night with my Donegal cap on. Meath have a great facility in Dunganny just outside Trim which isn't too far from where I am based. It was an impressive sight seeing their various county set ups been put through their paces.

The takeaway points I had from the Sigerson game was firstly the physique and conditioning of the Donegal lads. I haven't seen any inter county football in the flesh in the last couple years especially underage. You can tick off conditioning as an excuse in the future so shout out to those in charge of the S & C work been done. LYIT were blessed to win this. They were probably marginally the better team in the first half but went in down at HT conceding scores largely of their own creation especially the goal. They never looked like coming back in the second half that was well managed by Carlow who probably in hindsight regret not kicking on more when the opportunity was there. LYIT were very systematic in their play with lots of over and back stuff with very little in terms of off the cuff play or flair where the inside forward line might not have been there. Mogan was far and away the best player on the pitch. Jason played well too but it was difficult to pick out individuals in what wasn't a great watch in terms of quality football. Little disappointed with Conor O'Donnell. Got a couple of nice scores but also some poor wides and he'll have been relieved they dug out a win as he was at fault for the goal giving away the ball cheaply."
Thanks for update on match. I'd much rather read this than posts that want to focus on changing management after first match of the season.
It's great to see work going on at lyit on football, it's a great bridging competition. Even for say non intercounty footballers it's a great opportunity to have an outlet beyond their club. The freshers probably even more so in that regard. Pity about the last minute goal conceded by them in their match.

Mogan also stood out in the sigerson match a few years ago against carlow. He's real pace and covers some amount of ground, though think sometimes curtailed a little by being very left sided. I wonder does conor o'donnell need a little time to adapt. It's a big jump from junior club to both sigerson and intercounty.

I also wonder sometimes do posters here watch the senior club football in donegal. It can be pretty depressing stuff at the the high end of senior championship. It's very defensive and safety first, over and back holding on to the ball, little risk taking with precious very little man on man marking. Bonner certainly moved donegal away from that and it's a much better watch.

You could easily make an argument that for donegal to be more successful they need to play more of the defensive game. Players are much more used to it from club games and will adapt quicker to it. It also won't expose the lack of man marking defenders. I don't want to go back to that but if club football doesn't want to be a bit more positive then I fear donegal will have to revert to this. I really hope st eunans as county champions will push on this year to play more positive as they'll set the benchmark but I'm not sure.

Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 687 - 15/01/2022 11:36:26    2395002

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Results for today.

McKenna Cup:

Donegal 0-15 Antrim 1-9

Conor McGurk Cup:

Donegal 3-24 UUJ 1-17
Will play Down in the final

Rolo2010 (Donegal) - Posts: 738 - 15/01/2022 15:28:55    2395046

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Good run out today against Antrim, sounded like the lack of match sharpness at this time of year is really what kept Antrim in it, such as the conceding a goal with Patton inside the goal line. Not expecting superb flowing football at this time of year, its about getting new blood in and seeing who puts their hand up for a possible National League chance.

Caolan Ward seems to be on fire at the minute, Tony McClenaghan is really solid, as is Shane O'Donnell, this is good news, as these are guys fighting for a place in the back six.

I'm starting wondering if maybe Caolan Ward might be a potential number 6 now, he has been around for years now, he has serious experience and it might finally be his time to book a regular starting place. Looking forward to playing Derry in Ballybofey on Tuesday night, I think it will be the perfect kind of test they need before the National League opener against Mayo. Hopefully a McKenna Cup final against Armagh or Monaghan then, as that would be a real competitive match.

Commodore (Donegal) - Posts: 1106 - 15/01/2022 21:49:58    2395114

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Ward works in DSC Gym in Milford he must have put in some work there over the winter. He has up to now got a bad deal by management. He is well worth his place on the team, he is very fast and always makes good use of the ball, my opinion he is best suited to right half back.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 404 - 16/01/2022 09:57:48    2395121

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