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Replying To gahfan:  "I think there's been a theme of indiscipline associated with Limerick all year. I can't believe kiely hasn't tackled it. We hear about what great guys they are but they are damaging their own reputations."
Read what Nicky Rackard had to say about his duels with Pat the Diamond Hayden. Any hurler who doesnt have a bit of edge about them out on the pitch is likely never to win anything. Yes retaliation is wrong but you cant turn yourself on and off when you are up for a game. You are either up for it or you are not.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3211 - 25/08/2021 10:41:06    2374599

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Replying To mr305:  "Looking back, id say it's now apparent Cork aren't the second best team in the country. I very much doubt they would have beaten Clare if they hadn't been out 4 weeks on the trot at the stage. And even then Clare were a final second shot at goal away from progressing. I see themselves and Waterford at full strength with de Burca, Fives and maybe even the Mahony's available, Clare with Peter Duggan and SOD back hopefully, as the ones who can be Limericks biggest challengers next year."
I think you have read that very well. Remember in last years final and this years semi , while the margin was eleven points each time, Quaid had to make a series of good saves against Waterford on both occasions; by contrast last Sunday the margin was fourteen and Cork seemed to take every point chance they got and Nickie had only save of note to make. As I said elsewhere at least thirteen of Corks panel last Sunday were there in '18. If those 13 have not made it by now I doubt they are ever going to do so. Waterford with their full panel would be a serious threat as would Clare if all their personnel are available.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 25/08/2021 11:00:04    2374608

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Replying To gahfan:  "I think there's been a theme of indiscipline associated with Limerick all year. I can't believe kiely hasn't tackled it. We hear about what great guys they are but they are damaging their own reputations."
These boys have three All Ireland Medals in their **** pockets, and they might even find room for one or two more. I am sure they are worried about damaging their reputations in the same way Kilkenny were worrying about theirs, when they were sweeping all before them, while playing on the edge. As your own iconic Manager said 'Winners are winners and losers make excuses'. In passing, in the last four years I cant recall a single case in which an opposition player had a bone broken inflicted on him by a Limerick player. I would also add that John Doyle once said that 'winning is not the most important thing; its the only thing'. Basically, as Viking rightly points out, a team without a 'bit of cutting' is at nothing.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 25/08/2021 11:11:39    2374611

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "So JP has bought the three All Irelands and the skill and commitment of the players had nothing to do with it. Your someone to talk about class alright. And yes, I do not condone what Graeme Mulcahy did in this case. However overall the game was played in a fine sporting fashion and there is none of the players having their meals through a straw to day. In fact, I dont think there a single drop of blood spilt throughout the and Thank God nobody hit the referee a belt of a hurley."
Indeed, and thank God Tim O'mahony isn't in a wheelchair this morning.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1178 - 25/08/2021 11:13:32    2374612

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Replying To foreveryoung:  "But there was no opponent there at all. The hurley was just lying on the ground. He picked it up and snapped it with his foot. Therefore there was neither "abusive or provocative language or gesture to an opponent."

Do we even know whose hurley it was?

Therefore, that rule isn't fit for purpose! Congress had better convene posthaste to promulgate a new rule to cover such an incident."
He knew it was a Cork player's hurl (why else would he have snapped it) he brought it over to where the altercation was occurring, and snapped it in two. A mindless and provocative act, I've never seen it at any level of the game. Zero class.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1178 - 25/08/2021 11:20:21    2374614

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Yes poor Tim O Mahoney is a lucky man....scandalous behaviour by limrik!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1365 - 25/08/2021 11:30:35    2374621

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Indeed, and thank God Tim O'mahony isn't in a wheelchair this morning."
What was up on Lynch's back for anyway.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 25/08/2021 11:37:40    2374624

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Replying To ballydalane:  "He knew it was a Cork player's hurl (why else would he have snapped it) he brought it over to where the altercation was occurring, and snapped it in two. A mindless and provocative act, I've never seen it at any level of the game. Zero class."
Think you need to move on...

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 90 - 25/08/2021 11:38:31    2374625

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "So JP has bought the three All Irelands and the skill and commitment of the players had nothing to do with it. Your someone to talk about class alright. And yes, I do not condone what Graeme Mulcahy did in this case. However overall the game was played in a fine sporting fashion and there is none of the players having their meals through a straw to day. In fact, I dont think there a single drop of blood spilt throughout the and Thank God nobody hit the referee a belt of a hurley."
Great performance by Limerick and well deserved by a really talented group. I think tho that what appears to be a reference by you to the John Small incident is petty and smartassed. The incident between Lynch and O'Mahoney could have ended horribly for both players. I wouldn't doubt when Lynch sees it now he would wonder "what the hell was I at" and breathes a sigh of relief not that he didn't get a red but that O'Mahony was not badly hurt.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 383 - 25/08/2021 11:42:54    2374626

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Replying To ballydalane:  ""Splitting a ref open"!!

Go have a lie down, Bon, you're hallucinating over events from 10 years ago, they seem to have been exaggerated in your memory."
Did you not see the ref having to get attention for a cut that day? Maybe you missed that too, hopefully that will jog your memory that you are conveniently forgetting.
As for snapping an opponents hurl... you've little to complain about.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1362 - 25/08/2021 13:42:10    2374655

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There is a tendency when a team is on top to focus and reference things that players should not do or have done. However if coaches and players got caught up in that way of assessing their opponents with the view how to turn them over, then failure would be their lot. I don't believe they do. I never took much notice of the Kilkenny playing on the edge or Tommy Walsh and Jakie Tyrell is doing this that and the other thing. Teams were not just good enough to beat them at the time. Limerick are now the same.
However there is a difference between playing hard and pulling dirty strokes that injure an opponent. That is why there are rules to deal with that. The more legitimate tackles are penalized the more of the nasty stuff we could see. John Doyle and Nicky Richard were referenced here. If they were talking about playing hard okay. If they were talking about dirty strokes to over come an opponent condemn that and don't idolize them.
I worked with the great Franky Walsh (R.I.P.) five foot nothing. While he was doing a task one day I had to help him. Two fingers on his right hand were disformed. I asked what happened. He said John Doyle did that to me. He had a steel plate in his head from an off the ball strike after being rushed unconscious to hospital when returning from a game in Cork. I love my heros of the past but lets make sure we idolize them for the right reason.
The game today is probably better because you beat your opponent by being more skillful and athletic. Not by overcoming your opponent by injuring him but still having the option of tackling him.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 25/08/2021 15:26:00    2374693

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There is a tendency when a team is on top to focus and reference things that players should not do or have done. However if coaches and players got caught up in that way of assessing their opponents with the view how to turn them over, then failure would be their lot. I don't believe they do. I never took much notice of the Kilkenny playing on the edge or Tommy Walsh and Jakie Tyrell is doing this that and the other thing. Teams were not just good enough to beat them at the time. Limerick are now the same.
However there is a difference between playing hard and pulling dirty strokes that injure an opponent. That is why there are rules to deal with that. The more legitimate tackles are penalized the more of the nasty stuff we could see. John Doyle and Nicky Richard were referenced here. If they were talking about playing hard okay. If they were talking about dirty strokes to over come an opponent condemn that and don't idolize them.
I worked with the great Franky Walsh (R.I.P.) five foot nothing. While he was doing a task one day I had to help him. Two fingers on his right hand were disformed. I asked what happened. He said John Doyle did that to me. He had a steel plate in his head from an off the ball strike after being rushed unconscious to hospital when returning from a game in Cork. I love my heros of the past but lets make sure we idolize them for the right reason.
The game today is probably better because you beat your opponent by being more skillful and athletic. Not by overcoming your opponent by injuring him but still having the option of tackling him.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1642 - 25/08/2021 15:49:04    2374702

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Replying To PatOLogical:  "Forecast for tomorrow is for sunshine. you really should get outside and take advantage of the opportunity to brighten your outlook. Be well, PS ....and take your brother in arms ,blooyban with you. You know the old saying" "sunshine, the best disinfectant." Bottle it for the winter if you can.
Limerick were magnificent yesterday. I'm delighted ,beyond words."
Many on here would wish that you actually were beyond words, unfortunately you continue to throw them together like a toddler spilling his bowl of alphabet soup. Your use of quotation marks just adds a comical twist to the mess.
Unlike you I do in fact have a bright outlook and have always been supportive of all the players who have given the commitment to play with Limerick whether in good times or bad.
You on the other hand have zero credibility reflected by the fact that none of your posts are ever supported by other posters.

Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 939 - 25/08/2021 15:50:33    2374704

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I have a feeling that every Munster county is now going to learn what it was like being a Wexford supporter up until a couple of years ago.
There is nothing more demoralising than knowing a hiding is in the offing. I think that is where this is going....sadly.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1377 - 25/08/2021 15:55:42    2374706

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Replying To katser:  "Yes poor Tim O Mahoney is a lucky man....scandalous behaviour by limrik!"
Your county board would not even deal with the men who the young Joe Canning on the ground. You ought to talk.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3258 - 25/08/2021 16:13:08    2374710

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Your county board would not even deal with the men who the young Joe Canning on the ground. You ought to talk."
You should know better OTM..
All Limerick support on Hoganstand know that you don't feed that particular troll.
We're All Ireland champions and it kills her.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 900 - 25/08/2021 16:39:12    2374719

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Ignore.

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 1399 - 25/08/2021 17:08:29    2374731

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Replying To Bon:  "Did you not see the ref having to get attention for a cut that day? Maybe you missed that too, hopefully that will jog your memory that you are conveniently forgetting.
As for snapping an opponents hurl... you've little to complain about."
Yes I'm aware of the incident, a cut on the nose from an All Ireland Final 10 years ago which Brian Gavin himself was happy to acknowledge was completely accidental, and did not see fit to even book much less send off Tommy Walsh. Indeed Gavin was perfectly fine to referee the remainder of the match with a plaster on his nose, some achievement for a man who was "split open" as you say! (or, whisper it, maybe you're ever so slightly exaggerating what happened for dramatic effect).

I see Tommy getting a few references on this thread. The lad's been retired 6 or 7 years and he still triggers people! I'll say this for him though, anytime he did overstep the mark, he didn't go rolling round on the ground trying to get out of a yellow or red card. He stayed on his feet, faced the ref square in the eye and took whatever punishment was coming to him like a man. Peter Casey and Cian Lynch, please take note.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1178 - 25/08/2021 17:44:23    2374742

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Replying To ballydalane:  "Yes I'm aware of the incident, a cut on the nose from an All Ireland Final 10 years ago which Brian Gavin himself was happy to acknowledge was completely accidental, and did not see fit to even book much less send off Tommy Walsh. Indeed Gavin was perfectly fine to referee the remainder of the match with a plaster on his nose, some achievement for a man who was "split open" as you say! (or, whisper it, maybe you're ever so slightly exaggerating what happened for dramatic effect).

I see Tommy getting a few references on this thread. The lad's been retired 6 or 7 years and he still triggers people! I'll say this for him though, anytime he did overstep the mark, he didn't go rolling round on the ground trying to get out of a yellow or red card. He stayed on his feet, faced the ref square in the eye and took whatever punishment was coming to him like a man. Peter Casey and Cian Lynch, please take note."
Doubtful Casey and Lynch pay much attention to the ramblings on here.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 900 - 25/08/2021 17:54:22    2374746

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "What was up on Lynch's back for anyway."
He wasn't "up on Lynch's back", Lynch grabbed his arm and flung him judo-style onto his neck. No need for it whatsoever. I've never seen it on a football or hurling field before, maybe players weren't physically strong enough to do that previously. Then rolled around on the ground holding his head pretending to be injured himself to get out of being punished. Great player, one of the best ever potentially, but nah, wouldn't have much time for that crack.

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1178 - 25/08/2021 17:55:12    2374747

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