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Replying To cityman73:  "It is done by results on the field of play."
No it is not. if you loose your first game as a semi finalist you do not have a preliminary round in the qualifiers. If you loose a first round game you do. How is that decided your progress in the qualifiers on the field ? In fact in Clare case they won their first round game. Also I don't know what the obsession with making sure teams can't meet twice before the final. That is rigging the draw before you even start.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3057 - 02/08/2021 04:14:07    2366724

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Replying To baire:  "What have Limerick got to lose if they let the sliotar loose and do a bit of ground hurling - instead of throwing it around like a hot potato ;)"
Maybe Galway should try it.....!

Shocs07 (Limerick) - Posts: 374 - 02/08/2021 08:51:13    2366736

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "You forget to mention all the time KK beat Tipp in semi finals and qualifies."
How many Semi Finals and qualifiers did they play in from '06 to 20. Wexford and Waterford knocked Tipp out in '07 and 08. Galway in '15 and 17 and'09,'10, '11'14 '15,16 and '19 were all finals and since we knocked ye out in a quarter final in'18 ye did not play Tipp that year and KK of course won a qualifier in '13'. I am jsut making the point that Tipp did win both '10 and 16 very clearly and I do feel that the '19 team, that beat Limerick were that weak.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4495 - 02/08/2021 10:33:05    2366758

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Replying To Canuck:  "First the provincial championship separate from the All-Ireland series. Two conferences league with with cross over at knock out stage. There is several options how to form these conferences. Possible the provincial finalist the first two in opposite conferences."
You are talking about changing the whole system. Do't know why you would bring this up now only that you wish you were playing Kilkenny instead of Limerick next week.

gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 02/08/2021 11:04:42    2366780

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Replying To Canuck:  "No it is not. if you loose your first game as a semi finalist you do not have a preliminary round in the qualifiers. If you loose a first round game you do. How is that decided your progress in the qualifiers on the field ? In fact in Clare case they won their first round game. Also I don't know what the obsession with making sure teams can't meet twice before the final. That is rigging the draw before you even start."
Better not to have teams play eachother twice where necessary. Only change I wouldve made wouldve been teams that had wins in their provincial championships should've got the 2 byes in the Qualifers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15893 - 02/08/2021 13:01:37    2366833

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "In fairness Limerick did beat Tipp in, '13, '14, '18,'19,'20 and '21- That is a fair record against a county of Tipps caliber. I agree Tipp were a great team and where as KK, even as far back as '09, always found it hard enough to beat Tipp, the Premier absolutely hockeyed them in '10. '16 and '19."
Kilkenny hockeyed Tipp by 18 points in the 2012 semi-final, does that not count?!

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1256 - 02/08/2021 13:15:09    2366845

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Replying To Newyorkkat:  "How can you say it 3 wins each with + 19 for tipp.. Kk beat you 5 times in semi finals and qualifies one time by 18 points. So it kk 5 to tipp 3 with a plus scoring for kk."
I was commenting on someone else's post. I'm not for a second saying Tipp were the better side or anything like that. I was making a point about a ludicrous comment around the caliber of player/men that Tipp have since 2009. The post wasn't meant as saying Tipp were superior than Kk but that these Tipp players never let the side down.
A few posters here don't seem to realise that 3 all Irelands across 10 seasons isn't a brilliant achievement. It's wrong to compare any other teams to what KK won. These lads played in 7 finals including a replay and apart from 2011 where we never looked like winning (only lost by 4), they were excellent in every single final game. How anyone can question that makes me wonder what their memory is like or how much they know about the sport.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/08/2021 13:38:28    2366861

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Additionally prior to Saturday and with the exception of the 2017 disaster of not getting out of the group - only Kk and Galway have managed to knock Tipp out of the cship. Hardly a disgrace

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 02/08/2021 13:40:13    2366862

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I was commenting on someone else's post. I'm not for a second saying Tipp were the better side or anything like that. I was making a point about a ludicrous comment around the caliber of player/men that Tipp have since 2009. The post wasn't meant as saying Tipp were superior than Kk but that these Tipp players never let the side down.
A few posters here don't seem to realise that 3 all Irelands across 10 seasons isn't a brilliant achievement. It's wrong to compare any other teams to what KK won. These lads played in 7 finals including a replay and apart from 2011 where we never looked like winning (only lost by 4), they were excellent in every single final game. How anyone can question that makes me wonder what their memory is like or how much they know about the sport."
3 all Ireland wins in a decade is an amazing achievement only bettered by a very few exceptional teams from any county over history.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15893 - 02/08/2021 14:20:10    2366885

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Replying To gatha:  "You are talking about changing the whole system. Do't know why you would bring this up now only that you wish you were playing Kilkenny instead of Limerick next week."
If you read my posts you will see I said my preference was to play Limerick now. There are things that don't make sense. No team should be playing 4 weeks in a row and if it can not be avoided why not give that team the extra day and playing on Sunday.We benefitted from the draw system last year so that is not my bias. Just don't see why any team is given a leg up before a ball is struck and then that advantage is turned into a second one win or lose in the qualifiers. Why not a good time to bring it up ? Just expressing an opinion and feel free to disagree.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3057 - 02/08/2021 14:55:41    2366897

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Replying To Canuck:  "If you read my posts you will see I said my preference was to play Limerick now. There are things that don't make sense. No team should be playing 4 weeks in a row and if it can not be avoided why not give that team the extra day and playing on Sunday.We benefitted from the draw system last year so that is not my bias. Just don't see why any team is given a leg up before a ball is struck and then that advantage is turned into a second one win or lose in the qualifiers. Why not a good time to bring it up ? Just expressing an opinion and feel free to disagree."
Well said,just imagine if Laois had of beaten you and bet Galway and Tipperary aswell the semi wud of seen them out 5 weeks ina row

Fkd12 (Louth) - Posts: 197 - 02/08/2021 15:53:12    2366908

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I was commenting on someone else's post. I'm not for a second saying Tipp were the better side or anything like that. I was making a point about a ludicrous comment around the caliber of player/men that Tipp have since 2009. The post wasn't meant as saying Tipp were superior than Kk but that these Tipp players never let the side down.
A few posters here don't seem to realise that 3 all Irelands across 10 seasons isn't a brilliant achievement. It's wrong to compare any other teams to what KK won. These lads played in 7 finals including a replay and apart from 2011 where we never looked like winning (only lost by 4), they were excellent in every single final game. How anyone can question that makes me wonder what their memory is like or how much they know about the sport."
Might have won more if not for the manager tipp appointed when sheehy stepped down..

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 02/08/2021 16:46:20    2366928

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Replying To tiobraid:  "I was commenting on someone else's post. I'm not for a second saying Tipp were the better side or anything like that. I was making a point about a ludicrous comment around the caliber of player/men that Tipp have since 2009. The post wasn't meant as saying Tipp were superior than Kk but that these Tipp players never let the side down.
A few posters here don't seem to realise that 3 all Irelands across 10 seasons isn't a brilliant achievement. It's wrong to compare any other teams to what KK won. These lads played in 7 finals including a replay and apart from 2011 where we never looked like winning (only lost by 4), they were excellent in every single final game. How anyone can question that makes me wonder what their memory is like or how much they know about the sport."
Good post and have to agree. The 2016 team in particular I thought were exceptional... A combination of strength, skill and speed.
One of the rare occasions I found myself cheering for Tipp in an all ireland final.
Every reason to be proud of their achievements over the last decade..

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1107 - 02/08/2021 18:20:13    2366973

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Replying To Shocs07:  "Maybe Galway should try it.....!"
For all your snobbery about Munster hurling ye have abandoned it's very essence, i.e ground hurling and have sold your souls to the soccer mentality of possession, percentages, huge professional back room teams and analysts - hand pass the sliotar there good lad!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 02/08/2021 18:30:27    2366977

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Replying To baire:  "For all your snobbery about Munster hurling ye have abandoned it's very essence, i.e ground hurling and have sold your souls to the soccer mentality of possession, percentages, huge professional back room teams and analysts - hand pass the sliotar there good lad!"
Isnt ground hurling called hockey in the rest of the world?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15893 - 02/08/2021 18:33:23    2366978

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Replying To baire:  "For all your snobbery about Munster hurling ye have abandoned it's very essence, i.e ground hurling and have sold your souls to the soccer mentality of possession, percentages, huge professional back room teams and analysts - hand pass the sliotar there good lad!"
Hitting the ball on the ground is the very essence of hurling.. Seriously?

Almost Katser like in your desperation to get a dig at Limerick in there.

skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1107 - 02/08/2021 18:57:04    2366986

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Replying To baire:  "For all your snobbery about Munster hurling ye have abandoned it's very essence, i.e ground hurling and have sold your souls to the soccer mentality of possession, percentages, huge professional back room teams and analysts - hand pass the sliotar there good lad!"
Ground hurling is great. See all the AI titles that's it's brought Galway. Get on the phone and advise Brian Cody that his team should have a go at it!

foreveryoung (USA) - Posts: 2242 - 02/08/2021 19:21:22    2366997

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Replying To baire:  "What have Limerick got to lose if they let the sliotar loose and do a bit of ground hurling - instead of throwing it around like a hot potato ;)"
As a Scotsman once said...there's a loose moose about the hoose,perhaps they don't wish to be snared!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 02/08/2021 19:23:35    2366998

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What time is lim waterf game Saturday.

Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 157 - 02/08/2021 19:28:26    2367003

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Replying To Viking66:  "Isnt ground hurling called hockey in the rest of the world?"
Have a read of, 'Scéal na hIomána' by Liam P Ó Caithnia, the definitive history of hurling in Ireland. Hockeying is what the cats were doing to ye before Galway gave ye a helping hand in Leinster;

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 02/08/2021 19:37:22    2367008

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