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Limerick against Waterford. All Ireland Hurling Final 2020

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By all accounts gillane will be fit..kiely has to pick 2 from 3 in full forward line,I expect rest to be the same,Donovan midfield,Cian Centre forward..I'd expect Moran to pick up hegarty..morrissey will be a handfulfor possibly calum Lyons who won't get to bomb up and down like the last day..on the other side limerick have Gleason,Bennett and Hutchinson to think about..it usually happens in these games that a player not expected to takes charge of it,a Flanagan,Casey ir Donovan on limerick,Waterford could have a Barron,fagan or Montgomery..it'll be a huge test of the full back lines..also keepers now decide an awful lot with quaid probably better pucking out and o keeffee a better shot stopper with more to do in this championship..I'm really looking forward now and can't wait for throw in..I'll say limerick by 4 or 5 points..hopefully..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2500 - 10/12/2020 17:14:58    2321103

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Replying To Canuck:  "Its a big ask of our guys. Probably before their time. Only six of the team that played 2017."
That might be a blessing. No losing baggage. Your Previous 2 appearances this millennium seemed dogged by hype and expectation. This crew largely won a minor AI in 2013 and an u21 AI in 2016 together. They know how to win big games together.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 17:25:23    2321107

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Replying To baire:  "Which other county in the past 20 years, bar Kilkenny, had a good strike rate in All Irelands?"
We have a great strike rate in finals but we dont get to many. I think I'd prefer to be getting there and losing than not getting there at all.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 17:27:41    2321108

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Replying To baire:  "I'm not your friend, I was merely questioning your reasoning and your data. On a thread about this year's All Ireland Final you seem very keen to criticise Galway's record in All Ireland Finals. I have great regard for Cork and their hurling. There's a long unbroken tradition of club hurling in both Cork and Galway, something that can't be said about many other 'traditional' counties, a tradition passed on in each parish long before the GAA was formed, without any financial assistance but purely for the love of the game. Have a look at Galway's record at club level and then come back to me on the appropriate thread after the final.
Since Limerick has such great record in AIFs you should concentrate on Waterford and hope that they'll be able to keep the sliotar pucked out to ye!"
Apparently in the 17th and 18th century hurling was only being played in Galway Wexford and Antrim before it spread back around the country in the 19th century. But being as I wasnt there I'm only going on what was written at the time. Seemingly it was being played in Britain in the 18th century too as there is a written account of a Wexford team playing a team from over the water. The Wexford lads were gold sashes hence the yellowbelly nickname.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 17:33:26    2321111

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Replying To baire:  "Who will mark Hegarty on Sunday?"
Probably Moran although he played poorly on him last year, but Kevin may not have been fully fit then, and is a normally a fine player

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 10/12/2020 17:34:31    2321112

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "By all accounts gillane will be fit..kiely has to pick 2 from 3 in full forward line,I expect rest to be the same,Donovan midfield,Cian Centre forward..I'd expect Moran to pick up hegarty..morrissey will be a handfulfor possibly calum Lyons who won't get to bomb up and down like the last day..on the other side limerick have Gleason,Bennett and Hutchinson to think about..it usually happens in these games that a player not expected to takes charge of it,a Flanagan,Casey ir Donovan on limerick,Waterford could have a Barron,fagan or Montgomery..it'll be a huge test of the full back lines..also keepers now decide an awful lot with quaid probably better pucking out and o keeffee a better shot stopper with more to do in this championship..I'm really looking forward now and can't wait for throw in..I'll say limerick by 4 or 5 points..hopefully.."
Barron and Lynch will have a big say where the Cup will go.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 17:36:57    2321113

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Anyone see what happened to the Limerick GAA tickets in the draw outside Ken Hogans? Hope they got them all back. At least they televised the draw so people could see the thing wasnt rigged!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 17:47:34    2321117

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I'd be shocked if Gillane doesn't start, weather is showery at best for Dublin on Sunday so interesting if it suits either team, Limerick showed against Tipp they shouldn't be effected by bad conditions anyway.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 10/12/2020 18:02:00    2321120

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Replying To tiobraid:  "Can ye set up a separate thread on Galway and limericks new rivalry and then argue away about your history?

Might be worth chatting about the likes of Bennett and Hegarty or De Burca or Hannon on this thread? A bit of insight or how you see things going would be nice"
I have not posted for a while and I replied with my frustration re ongoing post. However the moderator did not allow my post. So sad no more posts from me until next years league and championship starts. I just hope that Hoganstand will be relevant and posters will discuss the relevant topics .

heartbroken (Galway) - Posts: 370 - 10/12/2020 18:22:39    2321125

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "BTW, What way did Limerick vote on that issue since you know how the Rossies voted. Anyway if the Galway Management team and County Board had just made the point that if Tony Keady was injured they would have had to play on and they might never have been beaten. Instead all Galway seemed to overplay the 'look how hard done we were' crack, lost focus and Tipp ended up benefitting. Tipp had the same situation with Paul Delaney in 91 but the canney 'auld devils' simply quietly dropped Paul and reaped the rewards. Yes it was hard on Galway, but like Clare in '98, people who should have known better reacted wrongly."
Oldtourman I always enjoy your posts on this forum and admire your loyalty to Limerick but you should know that Galway hurling supporters are still very sensitive regarding the Keady affair and rightly so . What occoured was flat out wrong and hasnt happened to the best of my knowledge either before or since .Its no wonder Galway hurling folk are paranoid about officials given what happened in 89 and again in 1990 - they were scarred for life. Keady was 25 and the reigning Hurler of the year and got 12 months for playing a hurling game. He was also in some ways the spiritual leader in that team.How would you feel if Henry Shefflin in his prime or say Cian Lynch recieved the same treatment? You wouldnt have to worry about it because it would never happen. Galway have always been treated as outsiders in the hurling world and having won two Championships in a row and a brilliant League title that spring they had become much to uppity for some peoples tastes. When the oportunity arose to take them down a peg it was very willingly grasped. By the way ,and I may be wrong, I think Paul Delaney played in that same semi final in 89 having committed the exact same crime as Keady. Then again he was from Tipperary

UtahBlaine (Galway) - Posts: 153 - 10/12/2020 20:09:10    2321162

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Replying To heartbroken:  "I have not posted for a while and I replied with my frustration re ongoing post. However the moderator did not allow my post. So sad no more posts from me until next years league and championship starts. I just hope that Hoganstand will be relevant and posters will discuss the relevant topics ."
Your under20s are playing Laois in a Leinster quarter final. Think your minors are likely playing Dublin. Plenty to keep you posting til the League starts again lad!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 10/12/2020 20:23:21    2321167

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Ah will go away with your 'proper preparation', Kerry had walk overs for donkeys years in Munster and it never stopped them winning in Croke Park. Almost all the time Limerick, Clare or Waterford got out of the bear pit that is Munster were taking on Leinster teams who were usually far more used to playing in Croke Park. The fact is Galway were in Munster for ten years, and let me add at all levels from day one, and they only won game V Clare and ran back to Connacht. BTW, ye picked the right province to go to the next time. If Waterford win on Sunday The McCarthy Cup will have rested in five different Munster counties in sixteen years. Between them, Clare Waterford and Limerick won ten of the last twenty Under 21 titles while the real Leinster counties, apary from KK, have won nothing at National Level, except a National League Title won by Dublin.
Galway would be far better off concentrating on why, with such such a huge hurling population they have lost such a huge percentage of the All Irelands they played in, rather that worrying how other counties are doing."
In the last 8 years galway have appeared in 4 all Ireland finals,, winning one,, losing one to ye guys,, and losing two to a team that at the time would have beaten the pick of munster hurling.
We've also won a few Leinsters,, and have been consistently better than everyone in Munster bar Tipp (who we've beaten 3 times in the championship in that period).

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 10/12/2020 21:42:22    2321204

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In the last 8 years galway have appeared in 4 all Ireland finals,, winning one,, losing one to ye guys,, and losing two to a team that at the time would have beaten the pick of munster hurling.
We've also won a few Leinsters,, and have been consistently better than everyone in Munster bar Tipp (who we've beaten 3 times in the championship in that period)."
how do you reckon ye are better then everyone in Munster apart from Tipp? how have Galway got on against Limerick in the championship in recent years?? 0 - 2.

Clubgaa (Limerick) - Posts: 879 - 10/12/2020 22:01:36    2321215

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Replying To Clubgaa:  "how do you reckon ye are better then everyone in Munster apart from Tipp? how have Galway got on against Limerick in the championship in recent years?? 0 - 2."
Read my post again,, properly this time please.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 10/12/2020 22:19:16    2321223

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Replying To UtahBlaine:  "Oldtourman I always enjoy your posts on this forum and admire your loyalty to Limerick but you should know that Galway hurling supporters are still very sensitive regarding the Keady affair and rightly so . What occoured was flat out wrong and hasnt happened to the best of my knowledge either before or since .Its no wonder Galway hurling folk are paranoid about officials given what happened in 89 and again in 1990 - they were scarred for life. Keady was 25 and the reigning Hurler of the year and got 12 months for playing a hurling game. He was also in some ways the spiritual leader in that team.How would you feel if Henry Shefflin in his prime or say Cian Lynch recieved the same treatment? You wouldnt have to worry about it because it would never happen. Galway have always been treated as outsiders in the hurling world and having won two Championships in a row and a brilliant League title that spring they had become much to uppity for some peoples tastes. When the oportunity arose to take them down a peg it was very willingly grasped. By the way ,and I may be wrong, I think Paul Delaney played in that same semi final in 89 having committed the exact same crime as Keady. Then again he was from Tipperary"
As much as we love our GAA they have done some nasty things out of spite. The great Tom Cheasty in Waterford got suspended for going to a soccer dance and was not given his 1959 All Ireland medal. It was only a few short years ago just before his death that he was presented with the medal. He had too much pride to go begging for it. We were playing a county final the Sunday after and more than half our team were at the dance. Tom new this and refused to name any players when requested by the powers that be.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 10/12/2020 22:22:13    2321226

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Can ye give it a rest and let people discuss what's on the forum..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2500 - 10/12/2020 23:40:42    2321239

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Come on folks this is supposed to be a thread about the All Ireland hurling final, Limerick vs Waterford. Can the children go into the other room and let the adults talk about the real game?

PoolSturgeon (Galway) - Posts: 2011 - 11/12/2020 00:15:09    2321243

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In the last 8 years galway have appeared in 4 all Ireland finals,, winning one,, losing one to ye guys,, and losing two to a team that at the time would have beaten the pick of munster hurling.
We've also won a few Leinsters,, and have been consistently better than everyone in Munster bar Tipp (who we've beaten 3 times in the championship in that period)."
Codology. Beat the p[ck of Munster??. even in '14 they only barely scraped past bot Tipp and Limerick

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 11/12/2020 10:14:46    2321278

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In the last 8 years galway have appeared in 4 all Ireland finals,, winning one,, losing one to ye guys,, and losing two to a team that at the time would have beaten the pick of munster hurling.
We've also won a few Leinsters,, and have been consistently better than everyone in Munster bar Tipp (who we've beaten 3 times in the championship in that period)."
Limerick have beaten Tipp five times in their last Eight Championship meetings, including '18 '19 Munster Final and '20, and by and an average of about 10 points on the last three occasions

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 11/12/2020 10:36:16    2321287

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Replying To Galway9801:  "In the last 8 years galway have appeared in 4 all Ireland finals,, winning one,, losing one to ye guys,, and losing two to a team that at the time would have beaten the pick of munster hurling.
We've also won a few Leinsters,, and have been consistently better than everyone in Munster bar Tipp (who we've beaten 3 times in the championship in that period)."
Limerick have beaten Tipp five times in their last Eight Championship meetings, including '18 '19 Munster Final and '20, and by and an average of about 10 points on the last three occasions. Kilkenny were a truly great team from '06 to '10, but after Tipp hockeyed them in the latter year they were coming back to join the pack, even though they did win four more All Irelands. In '12 Galway had them rattled, in '13 a very poor Cork team beat them, in '14 as I said they struggled to get over both Tipp and Limerick, in '15 ye almost had them and Waterford were overcome after a replay in '16 and then Tipp inflicted a huge defeat on them again. Any suggestion they would beaten have the pick after about 2009 is nonsense.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 11/12/2020 10:43:41    2321290

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