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Limerick against Waterford. All Ireland Hurling Final 2020

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Replying To katser:  "T.Morrissey is talking about bringing the Liam McCarthy Cup home and the ball isn't even thrown in yet!! Terrible arrogance."
"Whether ourselves or Waterford win, I think it will be hugely disappointing if you couldn't bring the trophy home with you."

blackspot91 (Limerick) - Posts: 1055 - 09/12/2020 03:37:18    2320526

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Replying To Galway9801:  "A fantastic all Ireland to look forward to,,, two téams who between them have won one all Ireland in the past several decades,, but seeing as that all Ireland happened to arrive 2 years ago for limerick,, I'll root for waterford lol,, (avd I think they'll do it too)

Limericks semi final performance against us was overrated imo. We made loads of mistakes, dropping balls,,, puck outs,, very poor passes,, avd we lost Mannion and limerick might have had a man sent off,,, and we still kept it competitive til the dying minutes."
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(1) Galway never drew a decent save from Nicky Quaid, whereas the Galway goalie had to make a number of fine interventions
(2) Galway were flying for the first fifteen minutes and went five points up and Limerick were slow to start, However once Byrnes drove over those two range points the game just turned.
(3) Every sideline ball inside the 70 yard line was scored by Galway, a tremendous feat, but Galway should have been avail to use this, together with the fact that they scored almost all their scorable frees, to their advantage to win the game.
(4) Limerick were twice ahead by five points in the second half when instead of taking easy points on at least four occasions they went looking for goals. Thirty one or two points win most matches, these easy chances should have been taken and I hope if we get the same chances in similar circumstances on Sunday we will take the points.
(5) Galway used a sweeper system which limited the effectiveness of our Full Forward line, and yet we scored twenty points from play to Galways ten and if Mulcahy had not slipped and fallen when he got on to Murphy's short puck out he would almost certainly have scored a goal.
(6)When the game did go to the melting pot on the 74th minute with Galway drawing level, Limerick simply charged down field and scored four of the next five points and if Hegarty was left go on, that late contribution might have higher. Were Galway really that competitive until the end.
(7) You say Galway 'made loads of mistakes dropping balls etc, puck out etc'. In relation to these, would the fact that Limerick, once they got into their stride chased and harried Galway all over Croke Park and this had a huge bearing on why Galway made those mistakes.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 09/12/2020 10:12:30    2320565

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Its a big ask of our guys. Probably before their time. Only six of the team that played 2017.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 09/12/2020 19:58:05    2320831

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Replying To blackspot91:  ""Whether ourselves or Waterford win, I think it will be hugely disappointing if you couldn't bring the trophy home with you.""
We should be grateful that there is a hurling championship and a final to be decided considering it was most unlikely
some months ago. The colour of the medal will not change for the victors.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 597 - 09/12/2020 20:18:44    2320847

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Replying To Canuck:  "Its a big ask of our guys. Probably before their time. Only six of the team that played 2017."
Does not matter. In '18 there was only one man in the dressing room who had played in an All Ireland Fina and yet Limerick won, while Galway had a team full of All Ireland Medalists and some of them veterans of several Finals to boot

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 09/12/2020 20:27:58    2320852

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Waterford are an exciting and talented team and play a lovely brand of hurling,they thrive on space and running at defences.Limerick will need a game plan to counteract this and also Waterfords ability to win ball in the air especially in one on one situations.They used the pitch very well against KK in the second half.They won loads of possession in first half but ran into cul de sacs and the KK intensity and took poor options.All changed in the second half with the way they used possession.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 09/12/2020 20:46:53    2320862

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Replying To fainleog:  "We should be grateful that there is a hurling championship and a final to be decided considering it was most unlikely
some months ago. The colour of the medal will not change for the victors."
Not that I would know but I've always felt that the homecoming, school tours,, returning to one's club etc would be the most enjoyable part of an all Ireland win.
It's a shame we won't have it but with the times that's in it we've no choice.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1697 - 09/12/2020 20:48:31    2320863

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Does not matter. In '18 there was only one man in the dressing room who had played in an All Ireland Fina and yet Limerick won, while Galway had a team full of All Ireland Medalists and some of them veterans of several Finals to boot"
Galway rarely win All-Ireland hurling Finals.About 1 in 5 which is a poor strike rate.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2154 - 09/12/2020 21:30:31    2320873

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Have people seen the picture doing the rounds of a tipp team from a few years back,interesting to see fergal Horgan and Liam Cahill next to one another..is this not a reason to appoint a leinster ref?how can this be right from croke park..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2205 - 09/12/2020 22:48:30    2320907

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Replying To endgame:  "Galway rarely win All-Ireland hurling Finals.About 1 in 5 which is a poor strike rate."
Limerick defeated the big names en route to the final i.e. Cork, Tipperary and Kilkenny.

fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 597 - 09/12/2020 22:58:16    2320912

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Have people seen the picture doing the rounds of a tipp team from a few years back,interesting to see fergal Horgan and Liam Cahill next to one another..is this not a reason to appoint a leinster ref?how can this be right from croke park.."
Excuses in already like Foley and their cynical....ment deliberate fouling!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 2192 - 09/12/2020 23:17:30    2320914

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Watched the wlrfm All-Ireland preview show from Dungarvan. T.J. Ryan, Brendan Cummins, Dan Shanahan and Ken McGrath talking and having a bit of fun also. T.J. was a great hurler but is also a great person. Waterford are very appreciative of him travelling and been part of the show. I think Brendan resides in the county now.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 09/12/2020 23:43:32    2320920

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Replying To endgame:  "Galway rarely win All-Ireland hurling Finals.About 1 in 5 which is a poor strike rate."
Which other county in the past 20 years, bar Kilkenny, had a good strike rate in All Irelands?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 09/12/2020 23:51:27    2320928

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Replying To katser:  "T.Morrissey is talking about bringing the Liam McCarthy Cup home and the ball isn't even thrown in yet!! Terrible arrogance."
Fake news = kat news!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 10/12/2020 00:03:19    2320930

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Replying To fainleog:  "Limerick defeated the big names en route to the final i.e. Cork, Tipperary and Kilkenny."
When was the last time Cork won an All Ireland? Waterford beat KK this year, something Limerick failed to do last year. What's your point?

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1785 - 10/12/2020 00:16:35    2320932

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Replying To CTGAA10:  "Have people seen the picture doing the rounds of a tipp team from a few years back,interesting to see fergal Horgan and Liam Cahill next to one another..is this not a reason to appoint a leinster ref?how can this be right from croke park.."
The answer is he should not be doing it. 2-16 from 2-17 came from play in a 40 minute second half while the great T.J. was enhancing is scoring stats.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2655 - 10/12/2020 00:58:26    2320936

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A really difficult game to call. Limerick have done what all really good teams can do - win games without really wing at their very best. With the exception of the tipp game they haven't been brilliant but haven't looked like loosing either. In a way it's a little similar to Gakway in 2018. Never really hit top gear and almost went all the way and could have even won the final in the end. For Waterford to win it'll probably be even a greater achievement than Clare in 2013. I think both teams had relatively poor first half semi finals and were both excellent in the second half. I think Waterford are the team that have improved hugely since the munster final but cannot start slowly again if they are to win it. It's a game that could come down to the free takers. I'd argue that both counties could do with dowling and Omahoney on the frees so that may be the difference. Looking forward to it now.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 10/12/2020 06:56:00    2320947

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Liam Cahill has done an incredible job with Waterford, when you look at where they were pay year. With the exception of some star players, I don't particularly think they're the most talented panel in the country but they're almost certainly the best coached. Ultimately I can't quite see them beating Limerick but it wouldn't shock me either (whereas at the start of the year it would have).

ballydalane (Kilkenny) - Posts: 1246 - 10/12/2020 08:12:59    2320950

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Replying To baire:  "Which other county in the past 20 years, bar Kilkenny, had a good strike rate in All Irelands?"
Well Clare has won two of three and Cork have three out of five, where as Galway have appeared in six finals and lost five of them.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 10/12/2020 09:02:41    2320954

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Replying To baire:  "When was the last time Cork won an All Ireland? Waterford beat KK this year, something Limerick failed to do last year. What's your point?"
This was the only time in the games history that any team beat the big three and also dethroned the All Ireland Champions on the way to All Ireland Glory A splendid achievement indeed

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4316 - 10/12/2020 09:13:22    2320957

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