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El Clasico 2020 Monaghan Vs Cavan

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Well Seamus if last year was embarrassing I have no words to describe this nightmare. When fat was in the fire one team had an astute calming influence along the line and one had the equivalent of the bull McCabe "the field is mine and I will hold onto it". Tactically inept with a bandwagon of yes men.
There are a load of management teams in senior, intermediate and junior at the minute that would have overseen a win today but their face or profile doesn't suit.
Feel so sorry for the older players as they have broken their backs to get to us some respect on a national stage it has been destroyed by awful management.

XmanMonaghan1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 31/10/2020 16:04:49    2303393

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Replying To bunnoe1:  "I think it annoyed the Cavan players as much as the Cavan people the fact that Banty said it was embarrassing losing to Cavan in Breffni last year!
Wonder his thoughts on losing in fortress Clones?"
Stupid thing to say cavan fully deserved last Yr and deserved today also. Ye had the legs and physical presence round the field on us. Father time has caught up on some great servants to monaghan football notwithstanding dreadful second half tactics

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1510 - 31/10/2020 16:07:00    2303396

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That was a hard watch. Management have no idea or tactics who defends a 7 point lead for an entire half. All we had to do is knock over a couple of points instead of messing around playing keep ball. Cavan will have an Ulster final the year and fair play to them we have no one to blame apart from our clueless management. Banty out now. You would see Kerry Dublin or any division one team sitting back they would go for the neck and kill the game out. I would try get the Scotstown Manager on board someone who has a winning track record.

Well done Cavan you played what was in front of you even tho Monaghan gifted it on a plate with that second half performance.

Clones3 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1 - 31/10/2020 16:07:54    2303397

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There's alot to digest from that afternoon of football, but I just can't get over those second half tactics. We ended the first half very strong and had all the momentum, but then killed it in the second half. Sure there was a strong wind, but at least try to attack through the hands the odd time, and not running into a crowd of players and getting turned over.

O'Hanlon in the first half looked to really be at the races, was troubling the Cavan defence every time he ran at them. Surely he's exactly the player we should have been seeking out in the second half to use his pace. Instead he wasn't utilised at all and then substituted.

I just can't understand the gameplan at all. To effectively shut up shop at half time is just mental.

patk (Monaghan) - Posts: 875 - 31/10/2020 16:08:43    2303398

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "The worst 35 minutes I have ever seen from a Monaghan team bar none"
It was Down 2012 all over again only worse

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1510 - 31/10/2020 16:11:35    2303399

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "Let's debate then, who is going to lead them in the first instance, and how could any Monaghan supporter not feel embarrassed"
Throughout the last decade Monaghan had embarrassing results, think of omagh two summers ago. I could go on. This group of players brilliant servants to the cause but they always throw up these results. It's hardly surprising given their track record.
The banty project ain't going to work, hes not a top level manager and that's a proven fact. Of course its demoralising to loose to your neighbour in clones but this has been the norm for Monaghan in recent times.

222 (UK) - Posts: 535 - 31/10/2020 16:14:24    2303403

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Replying To mhunicean_abu:  "What, who were the two subs he took off, O Hanlon should never have been taken off"
With the exception of dermot Malone in the first half, monaghans second sub wasn't until the 27 minute of the second half. By that stage cavan had made 5. Ó Hanlon should not have been taken off was playing well, but monaghan needed a switch up. 2 of monaghans 3 points in the second half came from runners from deep popping the ball off and the ball being fisted over. More of these runs could have been done by players with fresher legs.

MonaghanMaverick (Monaghan) - Posts: 7 - 31/10/2020 16:21:13    2303408

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Replying To patk:  "There's alot to digest from that afternoon of football, but I just can't get over those second half tactics. We ended the first half very strong and had all the momentum, but then killed it in the second half. Sure there was a strong wind, but at least try to attack through the hands the odd time, and not running into a crowd of players and getting turned over.

O'Hanlon in the first half looked to really be at the races, was troubling the Cavan defence every time he ran at them. Surely he's exactly the player we should have been seeking out in the second half to use his pace. Instead he wasn't utilised at all and then substituted.

I just can't understand the gameplan at all. To effectively shut up shop at half time is just mental."
Imagine tyrone or donegal going in 7 up v cavan theyd put the game to bed early and ran the bench. Hate losing but seriously were we going to do anything in this championship playing those tactics. It was particularly unfortunate for conor mcmanus who had a great first half that he barely touched the ball second half and when he did he had completely lost his composure given what was happening round him. I think he may decide to retire now after that unless banty goes.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1510 - 31/10/2020 16:28:52    2303412

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Anybody following the u 20s last year would have seen banty s ineptitude on the line , the hope was he had good men around , that he would listen to , but obviously they have given up trying to talk to him, not once in the 2nd half when in trouble , did it show him talking to his back room team
Complete shambles 2nd half, monaghan cut through them 5/6 times in the first half, why stop running at them in 2 nd half
Baffling

MONAGHAN1985 (Monaghan) - Posts: 73 - 31/10/2020 16:33:13    2303417

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Replying To 222:  "Throughout the last decade Monaghan had embarrassing results, think of omagh two summers ago. I could go on. This group of players brilliant servants to the cause but they always throw up these results. It's hardly surprising given their track record.
The banty project ain't going to work, hes not a top level manager and that's a proven fact. Of course its demoralising to loose to your neighbour in clones but this has been the norm for Monaghan in recent times."
Respectfully. It has to be said that never before has a manager had such an impact in losing a game that we were so far ahead in. When the pressure came on the manager was a liability, both today and previously with teams he managed, you can't get away from that. Today was about today, beating a weakened Cavan team, who were there for the taking. Faulkner and Clarke were not ready today. We tried to be clever (not) took off our best forwards and handed our rivals a win, you cannot blame te players for that

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 830 - 31/10/2020 16:35:01    2303418

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A shameful day for Monaghan football and the players and management should hold their heads in shame for the mess we have become. I wouldn't be so scathing if this was a once off but it's a continuous trend. Did anyone not think that Cavan was going to push up and put pressure on ?
What idiot actually thought that would work.

County board need to step in here and get rid of this management team. Any management team who endorses that kind of play and style will never change and going nowhere. We are the laughing stock of Gaelic football at the moment and for a county and team to lower our standards and play to that level we seen today is beyond shocking.

For us to go forward we need a few big names to walk away and take their egos with them and let us build from scratch. We had enough egos on the team before we added the biggest one of all on the sideline.
How Conor Laverty and Peter Donnelly stood up and watched that today is beyond belief.

Time for change, time to step away, time to reflect and time to do what is right for the supporters and the youth coming through.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 215 - 31/10/2020 16:35:43    2303420

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Disgrace, total disgrace. Banty has to go. Tactically clueless. 7 points up against a team that will play Division 3 football next year. Fortune favours the brave. What I hate about this management set up is how little faith they have in their panel. The players were told essentially to hang onto a lead against Cavan, not Dublin, not Kerry not even Donegal, Cavan, just shocking.
What were the tactics in the first half? Playing 12 behind the ball with a gale force wind behind them. Only got the lead because McManus caught fire and that Cavan were muck at the back. Then Cavan allow us our own kickout for the first 15 minutes of the 2nd half, what kind of stupidity was that? If they had pushed on like they did after the water break at least we would have been spared the extra time.
As usual, the sideline froze during the game and the usual suspects, O'Hanlon and McCarthy get hauled off. Then bringing Conor back on with 2 minutes left.
But our tactics in the second half were everything Monaghan football isn't.
Not the first time Banty has pulled this rubbish. We had a gale force wind in first half v Derry in 09 and he played 11 behind the ball and we got caught when Derry, a far inferior team to us (but not as bad as this Cavan side) beat us in 2nd half.
I honestly don't know what happens now. Mayo at home was the last game we won. All seemed great leaving Clones that day. Since then we've played Kieran Hughes at FB v Donegal which, surprise, surprise, didn't work, flattered ourselves to a defeat v Kerry, should have got bet out the gate against Meath last week and now exited a Championship that couldn't have had an easier passage to the final if we hand picked it.
This could be the end of an era. Very few can hold their heads up. Malone, Kieran Duffy and Ryan Wylie would be the only ones.
Banty has to go. Time to accept that whatever our deficiencies on the pitch, off the pitch we are absolutely nowhere.

FootblockREF (Monaghan) - Posts: 494 - 31/10/2020 16:42:08    2303424

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Replying To MONAGHAN1985:  "Anybody following the u 20s last year would have seen banty s ineptitude on the line , the hope was he had good men around , that he would listen to , but obviously they have given up trying to talk to him, not once in the 2nd half when in trouble , did it show him talking to his back room team
Complete shambles 2nd half, monaghan cut through them 5/6 times in the first half, why stop running at them in 2 nd half
Baffling"
I wonder would the proud GAA man from Armagh who applied for the job but didn't have the brains in the background team have stood up and watched what unfolded in clones today and let it happen?

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 215 - 31/10/2020 16:42:36    2303425

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Replying To MONAGHAN1985:  "Anybody following the u 20s last year would have seen banty s ineptitude on the line , the hope was he had good men around , that he would listen to , but obviously they have given up trying to talk to him, not once in the 2nd half when in trouble , did it show him talking to his back room team
Complete shambles 2nd half, monaghan cut through them 5/6 times in the first half, why stop running at them in 2 nd half
Baffling"
Agree completely. Cavan weak up center of defense & we exploited it with pace in first half. Then we stopped running in straight lines at pace in 2nd half, slowing the game down & passing the ball sideways.

What a mess by Banty but is anyone surprised ?

Shelbourne1 (Monaghan) - Posts: 185 - 31/10/2020 16:44:29    2303426

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Replying To MONAGHAN1985:  "Anybody following the u 20s last year would have seen banty s ineptitude on the line , the hope was he had good men around , that he would listen to , but obviously they have given up trying to talk to him, not once in the 2nd half when in trouble , did it show him talking to his back room team
Complete shambles 2nd half, monaghan cut through them 5/6 times in the first half, why stop running at them in 2 nd half
Baffling"
Hear what you are saying and it was quite obvious from the start of the second half and you can blame banty for that. But at some stage leaders on the field need to step up. Hard as it is to listen to it but these leaders didnt turn up today. So blame banty all you want but players have to take their portion of the blame too.. some of these lads have been around long enough to know..McManus is still immense, o Hanlon was dangerous early on and hannigan looked lively..stay safe!!

ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 459 - 31/10/2020 16:53:44    2303430

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Well what can you say?

That game was the perfect example as to how management can cost you the game.

Monaghan in complete control in the first half and there was simply no reason to switch tactics and go defensive. Monaghan have far superior players to Cavan and if they continued with style in the second half that they had in the first Monaghan would have won this game by ten points.

Bannigan and O'Hanlon were impressive in the first half but the switch in tactics took them out of the game.

Banty will be there next year but questions have to be asked about the selection process that resulted in Banty being seen as the man to take us forward.

Monaghansclown (Monaghan) - Posts: 101 - 31/10/2020 17:02:27    2303435

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Replying To ponger:  "Hear what you are saying and it was quite obvious from the start of the second half and you can blame banty for that. But at some stage leaders on the field need to step up. Hard as it is to listen to it but these leaders didnt turn up today. So blame banty all you want but players have to take their portion of the blame too.. some of these lads have been around long enough to know..McManus is still immense, o Hanlon was dangerous early on and hannigan looked lively..stay safe!!"
Was it the the players on the field that hauled O'Hanlon, Bannigan and McCarthy off??

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 138 - 31/10/2020 17:05:17    2303438

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Replying To seamusorinn:  "Was it the the players on the field that hauled O'Hanlon, Bannigan and McCarthy off??"
Problem is Banty has/had his hands all over Monaghan football, minors, U20 etc. He'll be saying I know these players, I can bring them through etc. etc. It was a tough year for everybody... It's difficult to see him getting the heave and probably we'll have to endure this for at least one more year.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 70 - 31/10/2020 17:11:17    2303443

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Savage dissapointed. We played fairly well in last 25 mins of first half and Cavan defence was all at sea. We should have scored at least one more goal in that period. Will talk about mgt later but lot of our players were not at the races.
Mc Guiness called it correct. Woeful tactics but they might have worked if we committed 3 players to break at pace and work something. They few times we went up it was a one man band effort and we were turned over
Really Banty and co made a serious error in the second half and didn't fix it at 2nd half water break. Laverty seems to have offered us nothing in our foward play ???
Unfortunately this team has came to end of road. Brilliant bunch so not going to knock them too much. Drew , 2 Hughes , Kelly , Malone, Walsh , are at the end of the road. If right was right co board would be changing mgt but that won't happen.

FrankAnnyalla (Monaghan) - Posts: 331 - 31/10/2020 17:53:40    2303481

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Didn't see this coming, but didn't see it coming last year either. To be ambushed two years running is poor from a preparation point of view. Who's embarrassed now? Banty seems to be doing to Monaghan what he did to Meath. Time to look behind him. A combination of Laverty and Donnelly at the helm would be interesting. You'll be back !

ondforty (Cavan) - Posts: 444 - 31/10/2020 18:02:56    2303489

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