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Replying To DonegalAtlantic: "Thanks Mhunicean Abu. I always dread playing Monaghan. Always seem to have the Hex on us! I felt in law of averages though we were due a win. Good Luck to Monaghan too for the rest of the campaign." I think that was a generational thing, like us and Tyrone. These young lads you have are well used to beating Monaghan, all they needed was proper direction and organisation mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 19/06/2023 14:34:40 2487362 Link
Replying To shaggylegend: "Saturday tactically was a mess from the Management. Monaghan where way too passive and too deep. Monaghan didn't engage in tackling until Donegal went past the 45. Donegal were the opposite they engaged Monaghan at the 65. Our defence was too easy to walk through at times. I believe another reason we didn't push up is because everytime we push up Jack's man makes a quick dash and gets the ball happened so many times against Clare. The one time we pressed a short kick out against Clare the ball ended up in the Monaghan net. Some of the substitutions seems to be about giving lads runs instead of winning the game. When O'Connell went off we had O'Hanlon as a half back. Kieran Hughes and McManus done everything wrong when they came on. Our transition play is so slow and pedestrian. How many time did Donegal tear up the field after turning Monaghan over. Monaghan turn a team over and look to slow the game down. In hindsight it was a great result losing on Saturday evening but by god do them players and management need to write so many wrong of the other night." Spot on shaggy. As someone else mentioned...it takes us 5 minutes and 261 passes to get a score...but it seems like the opposition then win the kickout, run through us, and score 10 seconds later. I didn't see the Donegal game, but even against Clare, how many times did we actually stop a mans run when they were coming through the middle, make him turn, or turn the ball over? Clare got 9 points against Donegal, and 1-18 against us...it made for entertainment alright, but I wasn't surprised to then see us concede 19 points to Donegal. Obviously we don't all have the players that used to make us so hard to score against, but we are frighteningly open at the back - any team who can take a goal or two could be out of sight very quickly. Vinny has had a very successful year by any standards, but needs to make sure we have a plan to make us competitive on Saturday. moodoo (Monaghan) - Posts: 462 - 19/06/2023 16:18:49 2487462 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "On reflection the two games kind of have to be played at the same venue, because they are both on the same day. They hardly expect Monaghan supporters to travel to two separate venues on the same day, what with climate change (ahem). They just have to accommodate all potential supporters fo both" You can relax. Monaghan minors and senior playing in a double header on Saturday in Tullamore. Should be a good day out for Monaghan supporters. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 726 - 19/06/2023 16:33:18 2487479 Link
Confirmed as Tullamore Saturday Minors at 1430 v Kerry Seniors at 1645 v Kildare All ticket Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 369 - 19/06/2023 16:37:04 2487483 Link
Replying To moodoo: "Spot on shaggy. As someone else mentioned...it takes us 5 minutes and 261 passes to get a score...but it seems like the opposition then win the kickout, run through us, and score 10 seconds later. I didn't see the Donegal game, but even against Clare, how many times did we actually stop a mans run when they were coming through the middle, make him turn, or turn the ball over? Clare got 9 points against Donegal, and 1-18 against us...it made for entertainment alright, but I wasn't surprised to then see us concede 19 points to Donegal. Obviously we don't all have the players that used to make us so hard to score against, but we are frighteningly open at the back - any team who can take a goal or two could be out of sight very quickly. Vinny has had a very successful year by any standards, but needs to make sure we have a plan to make us competitive on Saturday." I think the changes need to start with half back. O'Connell, Boyle and McCarthy have been excellent on the front foot, but they are leaving 2 days' grazing in front of goal for the opposition to kick points from. Ryan O'Toole is under a bit of pressure too I think, he has been exposed in a few games since his goal (remember that?). Also, Vinny needs to keep one of Karl Gallagher or Gary Mohan in reserve. Gary for me. Based on them not starting against Kildare, I would be pushing McCarthy forward and shunting Stephen O'Hanlon closer to goal- O'Hanlon has been excellent but starts too far out to threaten. Bring Colm Lennon into the team at half back. Jack and Gallagher up front. Sean Jones and Dessie would make a massive difference. Good luck to the county setups this week- a big few days for Monaghan football ahead. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 19/06/2023 17:39:50 2487538 Link
Replying To 222: "What the hell has gone wrong with monaghan lgfa? Intermiedate, they were contesting senior finals 8 9 years ago! Only had panel of 19 yesterday I read, some demise and sad really for a great lgfa county" The demise of the Monaghan ladies Gaa team can be traced back to the decision to appoint a manager in 2017 who didn't have the buy in of anyone on the team and resulted in pure disaster. They have never recovered from that. muckla (UK) - Posts: 370 - 19/06/2023 18:58:29 2487582 Link
A very flat performance the other night v Donegal. I wouldn't go as far as saying it was a poor performance (we still scored 17 points and hit a lot of wides), the players looked leggy and didn't seem to have the energy levels needed, which is surprising given the 2 weeks off. A lot of players namely O Connell, Darren Hughes, Ryan Wylie, Gary Mohan, Lavelle. If Vinny is going to give men a chance, why are we moving forwards like O hanlon to half back during games ?? We have never got him 1 on 1 like his goal v Tyrone. I would like to see him float between playing inside and wing half forward. Saturday showed ryan mc anespies lack of game time, It looks like hes getting leggy aswell with his lack of training. What way do we face the Kildare games. Do we go defensively minded and play Darren Hughes as sweeper and play carey dropping and hope to keep scores down and play the dog fight or do we go for it like the last 2 games and hope to outrun and out score Kildare, I would be tempted to dogfight it out as Kildare cannot just go from being poor all year to a team that can win tight games week in week out. If Dessie Ward is fit he has to play, he has had 3/4 weeks now to rest, Also i would like to see us play mc carthy in the half forward line now as we all know what kildare done to him a few years ago. Kildares defence is extremely poor so we need to go at them, and if we can keep it tight at the back I can see us winning pulling up. monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 410 - 20/06/2023 12:02:29 2487758 Link
Replying To Eddie the Exile: "I think the changes need to start with half back. O'Connell, Boyle and McCarthy have been excellent on the front foot, but they are leaving 2 days' grazing in front of goal for the opposition to kick points from. Ryan O'Toole is under a bit of pressure too I think, he has been exposed in a few games since his goal (remember that?). Also, Vinny needs to keep one of Karl Gallagher or Gary Mohan in reserve. Gary for me. Based on them not starting against Kildare, I would be pushing McCarthy forward and shunting Stephen O'Hanlon closer to goal- O'Hanlon has been excellent but starts too far out to threaten. Bring Colm Lennon into the team at half back. Jack and Gallagher up front. Sean Jones and Dessie would make a massive difference. Good luck to the county setups this week- a big few days for Monaghan football ahead." I think McCarthy should be pushed up too. I think he's been playing well as of late but can't exactly say its been down to his defensive work (not saying he doesn't do it) but it is a great observation you make about the space being back there in that half back line. A good team like Donegal will take advantage of it and now that we're in knock out football we can't take many more risks. O'Hanlon is class at skinning defenders, even if there is 2 or 3 around him, him running off the ball Jack wins could work well, was a few times Jack got the ball and was pushed out towards the line in the 2nd half against Donegal. Gallagher is a good ball winner too so I'd like to see him back in full forward, he puts a shift in wherever you play him anyway. Who do we think will pick up Daniel Flynn? I hope Rory roaming up the field will give Kildare something to think about, I can't say they've played too many teams that often that have the keeper up there. MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 20/06/2023 12:40:30 2487776 Link
Unfortunately I don't think this team is capable of playing defensively. We can have 15 men back and still concede far too easily! The defence gets remarkably few turnovers when the opposition runs at us especially in the firm grounds of recent weeks and as a result we have conceded points far too often. When Darren ( or anyone else) plays sweeper he sits very deep to prevent goal scoring opportunities I think, but the problem with that is, as most our defenders aren't good man markers the opposition are running through picking off points at will. Kildare have the players to play that type of game even more so than Donegal and will be working on it this week relishing the opportunity! We have to do something different or it will be a very frustrating day! I think we need to do as we did in Celtic Park, push up further up the field, don't concede the kick outs and have a go with a similar team to that day, giving us options later in the second half to change things if needed. At least be positive and go for the win. Vofster (Monaghan) - Posts: 18 - 20/06/2023 12:52:48 2487782 Link
If monaghan allow kildare the time and space to move the ball up the field similar to sat eve, Kildare will win this. There athletism will be to much, monahan cannot play the game that way simailr to league match last year in which kildare romped home. Monaghan conceding huge scores, Alot of monaghan backs look leggy and are getting a torid time defending, I don't know if they can hold a fast paced team. But it all depends on what kildare show up there a bit like us, hot and cold. Probably the one thing that has diasapointed me a little is that we haven't seen enough of the new crop for monaghan drive things on, still the old guard pushing it. 222 (UK) - Posts: 847 - 20/06/2023 13:10:15 2487794 Link
A massive day for Monaghan football on Saturday and I hope there'll be a huge turnout for both games. Truth be told we haven't had the same numbers out backing the team this season as in previous years so with Saturday being make or break hopefully we'll have a big support there. monaghan_ultra (None) - Posts: 213 - 20/06/2023 13:52:48 2487817 Link
Team for Kildare in my opinion: Beggan Boyle Duffy McPhillips O'Connell Ward O'Toole Gallagher Mohan McCarthy Bannigan O'Hanlon McAnespie (roaming) D.Hughes (rotating with other midfielders but primarily on the square) Jack OR Sean Jones Wylie has been under the pump in a few games so I'd have him to come on if any defender is struggling. Lavelle is a fairly low impact workhorse at best so I'd have him to come in and lock things down if we're up a few scores, if we're looking scores I'd sit him behind Kieran Hughes in the subs pecking order. Still have Connor and Lennon to look at on the bench too. Jjoniel79 (Monaghan) - Posts: 199 - 20/06/2023 15:18:00 2487866 Link
Replying To monaghan_ultra: "A massive day for Monaghan football on Saturday and I hope there'll be a huge turnout for both games. Truth be told we haven't had the same numbers out backing the team this season as in previous years so with Saturday being make or break hopefully we'll have a big support there." Alot to do with the std of football at the expensive and not much we can do with either. The time for the game is also poor. The marketing of the GAA is non existent, unless you have a interest in the GAA you wouldn't know the games were on. Hopefully we can get win the games, the championship starts properly on Saturday. patmouse (Monaghan) - Posts: 122 - 21/06/2023 09:56:56 2488032 Link
Couldn't believe some of the decisions made for Donegal game. How is Seán Jones not the first forward in?? Jack is extremely hot & cold identifying when he's not at it and changing him needs to be much faster. Manzy looked way off the mark. Defensively we look so lethargic, absolutely no intensity to push up on the opposition. Ryan O'T is the least experienced player in the back line and he's being hung out to dry by the management & players around him. Darren H as plus one just doesn't work. Kildare will bring an intensity that we will need to match if we are to get anything out of the game. Would be a bad way to exit and end the year. Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 21/06/2023 17:38:00 2488229 Link
Do we actually have any decent defenders anymore in the mould of corey himself the wylies mones in their prime to snuff out danger men. Boyle can be v good to be fair but is needed as an attacking player now. Duffy is alright intelligent player but needs support. Kildare will definitely target our backline with direct ball which isn't the biggest. Actually think lavelle make a good solid defender in central role maybe full back looks the part but plays midfield. A team like monaghan with such an average defence should never sit back and invite opposition on to them like first half v donegal. Hopefully Ward and Jones are back in for Saturday. Mcmanus clearly isnt fit any more to start these games but great sub to have still on bench. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 21/06/2023 22:47:11 2488284 Link
I've seen posts about the game, tickets for sale etc so it's not an absence & I know it's only a few days away now but would love to see a push from the social media side of things to get a crowd down, even some form of slogan. Something different. I think a big crowd will travel but we have the minors in an all Ireland semi final & it's a massive game for the seniors & a very winnable one too just like back in 2018. It's not often we have days like this so it'd be great to see a bit of a spark on that front that I feel like has been missing somewhat over the last few seasons. I remember in 2018 how there was a great connection between the team & the fans on our run to the semi final. As monaghan_ultra said we haven't had the same numbers in recent years and this game is a make or break one. We seen the boost Newbridge or nowhere gave Kildare & their fans. It's not the same situation but it was definitely worth something to them and got their fans invested. The team would run from sideline to sideline during the warm up & they'd get a standing ovation for example. I just feel like if it the occasion & remaining games were hyped up some more we could get that atmosphere again at games. This could be the last game for a long time. MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 22/06/2023 12:44:02 2488388 Link
Replying To seanie08: "Do we actually have any decent defenders anymore in the mould of corey himself the wylies mones in their prime to snuff out danger men. Boyle can be v good to be fair but is needed as an attacking player now. Duffy is alright intelligent player but needs support. Kildare will definitely target our backline with direct ball which isn't the biggest. Actually think lavelle make a good solid defender in central role maybe full back looks the part but plays midfield. A team like monaghan with such an average defence should never sit back and invite opposition on to them like first half v donegal. Hopefully Ward and Jones are back in for Saturday. Mcmanus clearly isnt fit any more to start these games but great sub to have still on bench." If he starts, You'd imagine Jack will have the best man marker on him, he won't get as much as time on the ball as he did against Clare. I'd just like to see the changes being done quicker & agree with Lavelle, he puts in a shift regardless of his position but I think his best position is at 6 for Monaghan. Was quite good there a few seasons back MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 22/06/2023 12:46:25 2488390 Link
Replying To MonaghanGlory: "I've seen posts about the game, tickets for sale etc so it's not an absence & I know it's only a few days away now but would love to see a push from the social media side of things to get a crowd down, even some form of slogan. Something different. I think a big crowd will travel but we have the minors in an all Ireland semi final & it's a massive game for the seniors & a very winnable one too just like back in 2018. It's not often we have days like this so it'd be great to see a bit of a spark on that front that I feel like has been missing somewhat over the last few seasons. I remember in 2018 how there was a great connection between the team & the fans on our run to the semi final. As monaghan_ultra said we haven't had the same numbers in recent years and this game is a make or break one. We seen the boost Newbridge or nowhere gave Kildare & their fans. It's not the same situation but it was definitely worth something to them and got their fans invested. The team would run from sideline to sideline during the warm up & they'd get a standing ovation for example. I just feel like if it the occasion & remaining games were hyped up some more we could get that atmosphere again at games. This could be the last game for a long time." and when I say the team would run sideline to sideline to after the warmup and got standing ovations I mean the Monaghan team not Kildare. I remember it a lot in Clones especially the game against Kerry in 2018. We didn't get the win but we definitely matched Kerry that day and went out and outclassed Galway the next, you could just tell there was a buzz about the whole thing. A real belief. Here's hoping for a great day out hopefully with some decent weather! MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 22/06/2023 15:51:22 2488469 Link
I think Ryan o toole is off the pace this last couple of games , good player but maybe mc Philips deserves another chance if he's fit . Hopefully Sean Jones is fit , I'd like to see him start . Still plenty of options but the space from midfield back has to be filled , wide open against Donegal and they need to settle into the game a lot quicker . Very winnable this game stoneygrey (Monaghan) - Posts: 232 - 23/06/2023 09:02:19 2488562 Link
Massive game tomorrow. This could be the end of the road for a few greats, a few legends of the game if result does not go our way. The likes of O Connell, D Hughes, Kelly and Mc Manus. This could be the last we see them pull on the Monaghan jersey and that alone is heartbreaking. McManus arguably the best Monaghan player of the ages. Has given his all for both County and Club, battled injury from no age, got targeted heavily everyday, kicked big scores, grabbed games by the bls, won us games and most importantly been a fan favorite. He has always been a big hit with the kids, always taking time for pictures, autographs and a quick chat where he could. This meant so much to many young juveniles growing up. Every good day must come to an end and unfortunately I think this good day is coming to an end this year (hopefully not tomorrow). Also the others mentioned, they have giving such service to the county and their clubs. All warriors who have fought day in and day out for each other, the players gone before them and the players they now leave behind. We have enjoyed some of Monaghans best glory days, watched them punch above their weight and stay in Div 1, win Ulsters and make every Monaghan person proud. So lets push the team over the line tomorrow and into a All Ireland Quarter Final. Not to forget the Minors- What a team. These are the future warriors, they have showed now on a few occasions their never die attitude and at that age is a big plus to see. Hoping they can get over the line Saturday and make the All Ireland Final. Massive weekend ahead for Monaghan GAA countymonaghan (Monaghan)** - Posts: 289 - 23/06/2023 09:40:24 2488569 Link