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Replying To conjack76: "Well done to the minors, terrific win against a ''big county'' in a knock out game," Scoring the last 5 points in the Ulster semi final against Tyrone in extra time was better, taking that Derry team to penalties in the final was better The improvement and confidence in what they are doing and progressing is the most impressive, not beating an average Mayo team. Was reading a report from Mayo and they were impressed with the physical and tactical aspects of the team. They will be hard to beat and whoever beats them good luck to them. All this bodes well for the future, if the right people continue to oversee them. mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 12/06/2023 13:19:18 2485827 Link
Mayo fans couldn't believe the athleticism from our men Saturday and were blown away when the learnt this team had just come through 2games in 2 weeks that went to extra time and penalties. Hopefully the hard road stands to them in next round. Any word on venue? Blueblood4life (Monaghan) - Posts: 200 - 12/06/2023 16:24:03 2485944 Link
Sean Jones and Dessie back on the matchday panel for tomorrow- good stuff. No Conor Leonard or Tom McPhillips- would like to see them lads get developed more. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 16/06/2023 11:26:30 2486810 Link
Very diasapointing result Saturday evening, a real jeckll and Hyde show again by Monaghan. Tough draw Saturday, against an athletic kildare who on the day can be very good. Will be interesting but Saturday was sloppy and poor. 222 (UK) - Posts: 847 - 19/06/2023 09:22:27 2487059 Link
V disappointing performance on saturday night. Team just couldnt get going at all and donegal had it far too easy in the first half. Our defending was shocking and the lads who have been good up until now looked flat which meant we were back relying on old war horses to get us out of trouble some of whom look spent at inter county level. Think panel is v stretched now with injuries to key men dessie ward is huge loss and sean jones is badly missed also even for a bench option. Kildare next who looked v good yesterday and vinny has a big job this sorting his defence out who werent at the races on saturday esp in first half. seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1882 - 19/06/2023 09:23:00 2487061 Link
Replying To 222: "Very diasapointing result Saturday evening, a real jeckll and Hyde show again by Monaghan. Tough draw Saturday, against an athletic kildare who on the day can be very good. Will be interesting but Saturday was sloppy and poor." Almost 40 points conceded in 2 games is the problem! The whole game plan seems now to be getting runners from deep (McCarthy, O'Connell, Boyle) on the ball to create scores, because there is zero pace or physical presence inside. When it breaks down, they are wide open at the back. How many times have we seen Monaghan take 2-3 minutes to create a score or a shot, only to concede a point within 30 seconds of the re-start/turnover? That has become the pattern. They got out of jail with the draw to some extent, Donegal ending up with Tyrone will make their deserved win on Saturday win seem a bit hollow. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 19/06/2023 09:31:45 2487069 Link
Silence is deafening here regarding Saturdays game. I'm a fan of Vinny and Marty but the inability to adjust the team setup midway through the first half and react to a a better set up Donegal team is poor. no other way to describe it. we handed Donegal possession again and again and each time it almost always resulted in a point. clear as day. That's the second really poor performance in the championship this year. Donegal were brilliant but if we played them again I think we'd be able for them. Do we need two cracks at a team to figure them out? we wont get that now going into knock out football. Some of the refereeing decisions were weird and inconsistent but that's more of an observation than an excuse. MalsBalls (Monaghan) - Posts: 222 - 19/06/2023 09:58:22 2487089 Link
Replying To MalsBalls: "Silence is deafening here regarding Saturdays game. I'm a fan of Vinny and Marty but the inability to adjust the team setup midway through the first half and react to a a better set up Donegal team is poor. no other way to describe it. we handed Donegal possession again and again and each time it almost always resulted in a point. clear as day. That's the second really poor performance in the championship this year. Donegal were brilliant but if we played them again I think we'd be able for them. Do we need two cracks at a team to figure them out? we wont get that now going into knock out football. Some of the refereeing decisions were weird and inconsistent but that's more of an observation than an excuse." The silence is largely due to Hogan stand deciding to go offline on one of the busiest and more critical weekends of the year. Not only do they have some kind of time based restriction usually (everything is moderated, and those guys need sleep), effectively reducing availability to business hours + evenings, but then they go completely dark across a weekend when people use the system? It's not conducive to holding actual conversations in any way. TearsIn85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 208 - 19/06/2023 10:16:11 2487107 Link
What the hell has gone wrong with monaghan lgfa? Intermiedate, they were contesting senior finals 8 9 years ago! Only had panel of 19 yesterday I read, some demise and sad really for a great lgfa county 222 (UK) - Posts: 847 - 19/06/2023 10:20:04 2487113 Link
Unlucky lads. The draw worked out better for you as it looks like you'll have a longer summer than us. The worrying thing for you is that is probably our team , missing around 9 starters. TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 19/06/2023 10:50:04 2487149 Link
Replying To MalsBalls: "Silence is deafening here regarding Saturdays game. I'm a fan of Vinny and Marty but the inability to adjust the team setup midway through the first half and react to a a better set up Donegal team is poor. no other way to describe it. we handed Donegal possession again and again and each time it almost always resulted in a point. clear as day. That's the second really poor performance in the championship this year. Donegal were brilliant but if we played them again I think we'd be able for them. Do we need two cracks at a team to figure them out? we wont get that now going into knock out football. Some of the refereeing decisions were weird and inconsistent but that's more of an observation than an excuse." I think the conceding the kick out was to do with the wind and pattons kick out. If you push up and you lose the KO they are in for goal, I think the plan was to concede the kick out and track each of their men man for man with Darren hughes sitting in the D. Their players were quicker so once you beat your man they were straight in as Darren had to engage the runner. veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 750 - 19/06/2023 11:33:32 2487206 Link
If you allow a team of any decent level to shoot from distance, chances are, not only will they score a fair percentage but they will gain confidence if it was lacking in the first place. I am always of the opinion that a solid presence in and around the 40 is the basis of a solid defence I would prefer this draw than the alternative one though. Both teams will want to play football it should be a good match, 50/50 I would think Kildare may well nominate Portlaoise or even Croker, opening up the possibility of a double header with the minors, wouldn't that be a day out??? Good to see Donegal back where they belong, and where their talent deserves, they probably owed us one, wish them luck for rest of the campaign mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 19/06/2023 12:00:48 2487233 Link
Am seeing Tullamore as the nominated Kildare venue. Improvement needed if that isn't to be the end of our road. (Also Hogan downing the Forum over such a key time ?) Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 369 - 19/06/2023 12:23:39 2487252 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "If you allow a team of any decent level to shoot from distance, chances are, not only will they score a fair percentage but they will gain confidence if it was lacking in the first place. I am always of the opinion that a solid presence in and around the 40 is the basis of a solid defence I would prefer this draw than the alternative one though. Both teams will want to play football it should be a good match, 50/50 I would think Kildare may well nominate Portlaoise or even Croker, opening up the possibility of a double header with the minors, wouldn't that be a day out??? Good to see Donegal back where they belong, and where their talent deserves, they probably owed us one, wish them luck for rest of the campaign" Seen on Monaghan's GAA Facebook page that its Tullamore this weekend. Would be great to have double header with Monaghan minors for sure. Monaghan were unlucky not to grab a draw towards the end. The free against Beggan and subsequent yellow card was an insane decision and Donegal got a point from the resulting free. McCarthy's attempt in injury time looked over too but was waved wide. I heard even commentator on GAA Go said it looked over. However, Donegal were the more impressive team on the day and deserved it. We need Dessie and Sean Jones to make an appearance this weekend. I think the teams going into this weekend who had a good result last weekend have an advantage for sure. Kildare, Donegal and Cork will have a Pep in their step. Monaghan and Roscommon will lack in confidence now and as for Tyrone, god knows what team will show up there. Its crazy to think though that either Mayor or Galway are out this weekend.! SouthMonMan (Monaghan) - Posts: 156 - 19/06/2023 12:24:21 2487253 Link
Replying To veterngaa: "I think the conceding the kick out was to do with the wind and pattons kick out. If you push up and you lose the KO they are in for goal, I think the plan was to concede the kick out and track each of their men man for man with Darren hughes sitting in the D. Their players were quicker so once you beat your man they were straight in as Darren had to engage the runner." Agreed. The centre back position needs to be looked at. Dessie Ward is a huge miss at the moment. Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 1201 - 19/06/2023 12:35:49 2487267 Link
Saturday tactically was a mess from the Management. Monaghan where way too passive and too deep. Monaghan didn't engage in tackling until Donegal went past the 45. Donegal were the opposite they engaged Monaghan at the 65. Our defence was too easy to walk through at times. I believe another reason we didn't push up is because everytime we push up Jack's man makes a quick dash and gets the ball happened so many times against Clare. The one time we pressed a short kick out against Clare the ball ended up in the Monaghan net. Some of the substitutions seems to be about giving lads runs instead of winning the game. When O'Connell went off we had O'Hanlon as a half back. Kieran Hughes and McManus done everything wrong when they came on. Our transition play is so slow and pedestrian. How many time did Donegal tear up the field after turning Monaghan over. Monaghan turn a team over and look to slow the game down. In hindsight it was a great result losing on Saturday evening but by god do them players and management need to write so many wrong of the other night. shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 19/06/2023 12:48:10 2487274 Link
Replying To MalsBalls: "Silence is deafening here regarding Saturdays game. I'm a fan of Vinny and Marty but the inability to adjust the team setup midway through the first half and react to a a better set up Donegal team is poor. no other way to describe it. we handed Donegal possession again and again and each time it almost always resulted in a point. clear as day. That's the second really poor performance in the championship this year. Donegal were brilliant but if we played them again I think we'd be able for them. Do we need two cracks at a team to figure them out? we wont get that now going into knock out football. Some of the refereeing decisions were weird and inconsistent but that's more of an observation than an excuse." Agreed, also & a big fan of Vinny and his team, I really respect that he benched some main players who weren't in good form but also with what you said about readjusting. Was the same in the Derry game, where we really needed a change in tactics. A double header with the minors is surely the right thing to do? I don't think they've had a venue confirmed yet. MonaghanGlory (Monaghan) - Posts: 738 - 19/06/2023 12:51:59 2487278 Link
Replying To SouthMonMan: "Seen on Monaghan's GAA Facebook page that its Tullamore this weekend. Would be great to have double header with Monaghan minors for sure. Monaghan were unlucky not to grab a draw towards the end. The free against Beggan and subsequent yellow card was an insane decision and Donegal got a point from the resulting free. McCarthy's attempt in injury time looked over too but was waved wide. I heard even commentator on GAA Go said it looked over. However, Donegal were the more impressive team on the day and deserved it. We need Dessie and Sean Jones to make an appearance this weekend. I think the teams going into this weekend who had a good result last weekend have an advantage for sure. Kildare, Donegal and Cork will have a Pep in their step. Monaghan and Roscommon will lack in confidence now and as for Tyrone, god knows what team will show up there. Its crazy to think though that either Mayor or Galway are out this weekend.!" When a referee gives a wrong or dubious decision and there is backlash from the team or supporters, they invariably give a yellow card to help justify it. I'm right and I'm in charge type thing. Only happens in GAA because they are not held to account like other sports. It's a thankless job etc etc ...... mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 19/06/2023 13:03:41 2487292 Link
On reflection the two games kind of have to be played at the same venue, because they are both on the same day. They hardly expect Monaghan supporters to travel to two separate venues on the same day, what with climate change (ahem). They just have to accommodate all potential supporters fo both mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1067 - 19/06/2023 13:19:23 2487305 Link
Replying To mhunicean_abu: "If you allow a team of any decent level to shoot from distance, chances are, not only will they score a fair percentage but they will gain confidence if it was lacking in the first place. I am always of the opinion that a solid presence in and around the 40 is the basis of a solid defence I would prefer this draw than the alternative one though. Both teams will want to play football it should be a good match, 50/50 I would think Kildare may well nominate Portlaoise or even Croker, opening up the possibility of a double header with the minors, wouldn't that be a day out??? Good to see Donegal back where they belong, and where their talent deserves, they probably owed us one, wish them luck for rest of the campaign" Thanks Mhunicean Abu. I always dread playing Monaghan. Always seem to have the Hex on us! I felt in law of averages though we were due a win. Good Luck to Monaghan too for the rest of the campaign. DonegalAtlantic (Donegal) - Posts: 114 - 19/06/2023 13:38:22 2487325 Link