National Forum

Monaghan GAA thread

(Oldest Posts First) - Go To The Latest Post


Well done on a good run. Didn't think it would be a 3-4 point game which realistically it was. If those early goals went in I think Dublin wouldn't have come back.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 1208 - 16/07/2023 13:10:10    2494757

Link

Replying To TheRock2121:  "Well done on a good run. Didn't think it would be a 3-4 point game which realistically it was. If those early goals went in I think Dublin wouldn't have come back."
Ah tbh I think they never looked like losing, tight as it was.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 16/07/2023 13:15:20    2494758

Link

Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Hard luck to Monaghan yesterday. Ye gave it some go and if one of those goal chances had of been converted in the first half, who knows what might have happened.

To put Monaghans success into perspective, they are the only county along with Cavan (which was in the Covid year so an astrix is needed) with a population of under 100,000 to reach an AI semi-final since Fermanagh in 2004. That is nearly a 20 year period. The next was then in 1997. So you have to go back to the days of straight knock out before you get counties with small populations making semi's with any sort of regularity. That is food for thought on the challenge that faces counties like Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan, Offaly, Sligo who are trying their best to break into the top tier whether it is at underage or senior."
Population of Monaghan (2022) = 65,288.
Population of Blanchardstown (Dublin 15) alone = 90,288.
Well done to the Monaghan team for putting up a great performance yesterday against all the odds. The Monaghan supporters should feel proud of their players and their management team.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 716 - 16/07/2023 13:29:10    2494764

Link

Replying To TheRock2121:  "Well done on a good run. Didn't think it would be a 3-4 point game which realistically it was. If those early goals went in I think Dublin wouldn't have come back."
TBH I think it would have sparked Dublin. We had the luxury of Con, Mannion and Basquel not doing much yesterday. Costello did all of the heavy lifting. I suspect that had we conceded a goal the urgency levels would have tripled and the transition speed from the Dubs likewise. As it was they were happy to let Monaghan reset most of the time, a failing in this Dublin team IMO, we transition too slowly. Anyway, good contest and Beggan's wanderings certainly bring a new dimension to the game, although he should have been punished once or twice yesterday when he was turned over. Dublin still not overly convincing. They'll have to keep their clean sheet record in the final to take Sam I think.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4737 - 16/07/2023 13:34:56    2494765

Link

Replying To Saynothing:  "Thought the ref had a good game, yes there is always going to be questions over frees given or not given but he done well. My only gripe is on frees, I was sitting in lower Cusack close to Canal end and Dublin in the first half got a couple of frees under the Cusack close to the Canal end, one was a mark, why can't officials keep tabs of where the free is being taken, stealing yards making the frees easier is cheating. Mc Manus in second half took his from exact spot free or mark was won. Monaghan had them but lost game between the 60 and 65th minute, just ran out of steam against the pros."
I don't think Monaghan ever had them. They never led over 75m and Dublin scored 1-11 from play to Monaghan's 6 points and that having been down to 14 men for a crucial 10m and outscoring Monaghan 1-5 to 0-1 in the last quarter. It was a good tough test for Dublin, exactly what they would have wanted but trickier opposition to come in the final, no matter who it is.

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4737 - 16/07/2023 13:45:48    2494768

Link

Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "what are you smoking font of wisdom Monaghan have been one of the greatest overachievers in the past 20 years and punched way above their weight reached 5 or 6 ulster finals winning 2 and losing 2 by a point retaining division 1 status which has given all their teams especially their under age ones a new sense of belief that they can compete with and beat anyone. We for the past 20 years bar 2020 have been shite."
First of all, comparing a hardened division 1 team who are backboned with All stars and once in a generation talent to Cavans current squad, who battle manfully but are a way off div 1 standard, is ridiculous. The facts are they, Monaghan, have consistently beaten the Dublins, Kerrys and Tyrones in the league and have been playing top division football for a decade. You're patronising the Monaghan supporters about how their county team are brave and hard to beat. It's 15 amateur men vs 15 amateur men. This isn't the premier league, where oil money buys titles. Monaghan have an extremely strong squad who've the pedigree to be winning titles. They haven't been doing this. On the Cavan have been shite for 20 years comment. We've beaten Monaghan a number of times in recent years!

Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 16/07/2023 13:51:43    2494771

Link

The narrative was before the game that if we kept it tight up to the last 10 minutes we could push on an an win. Very few outside the county thought that was possible, but that's exactly what we did.
Maybe that mindset crept into the players thinking the hard bit was done, I don't know, but what I do know is that that game was there for the taking with 10 to go and every Dublin supporter present knew the same
See all our admirers and such again in the league. Division 1 that is

By the way I thought the refereeing yesterday was OK, a few soft ones aside, especially in the first game, the best referee in the country IMO

mhunicean_abu (Monaghan) - Posts: 1066 - 16/07/2023 13:59:04    2494775

Link

Replying To Saynothing:  "Thought the ref had a good game, yes there is always going to be questions over frees given or not given but he done well. My only gripe is on frees, I was sitting in lower Cusack close to Canal end and Dublin in the first half got a couple of frees under the Cusack close to the Canal end, one was a mark, why can't officials keep tabs of where the free is being taken, stealing yards making the frees easier is cheating. Mc Manus in second half took his from exact spot free or mark was won. Monaghan had them but lost game between the 60 and 65th minute, just ran out of steam against the pros."
Was that the one where Conor fell over himself to buy the free?

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 16/07/2023 14:00:52    2494776

Link

Game probably hinged on the last 10 mins, Dublins big game players delivered as Monaghan tired. Monaghan were super up to that point. It's just unfortunate monaghan couldn't take on some of their veterans to finish it out, they were tired by that point. It felt for a long time aka mayo 21 again for the dubs but we hadn't the firepower to see it out. Scoreline flattered dublin. The wait for an all Ireland appearence goes on. Vinnie has done a super job but his work only begins. We need a new cohort to come through and sustain were we are at. That will be a challenge.

222 (UK) - Posts: 844 - 16/07/2023 14:18:53    2494780

Link

Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "First of all, comparing a hardened division 1 team who are backboned with All stars and once in a generation talent to Cavans current squad, who battle manfully but are a way off div 1 standard, is ridiculous. The facts are they, Monaghan, have consistently beaten the Dublins, Kerrys and Tyrones in the league and have been playing top division football for a decade. You're patronising the Monaghan supporters about how their county team are brave and hard to beat. It's 15 amateur men vs 15 amateur men. This isn't the premier league, where oil money buys titles. Monaghan have an extremely strong squad who've the pedigree to be winning titles. They haven't been doing this. On the Cavan have been shite for 20 years comment. We've beaten Monaghan a number of times in recent years!"
Lost to Monaghan in 13 , 15 and 17. Beat them in 19 when I Rourke stayed on a year too long and Armagh hammered Monaghan in qualifiers. 2020 Monaghan threw the game away trying to run down the clock.

Monaghan have done very well and didn't lye down like Mayo previously. Dublin bench the difference

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2872 - 16/07/2023 14:25:23    2494782

Link

Replying To sligo joe:  "Was that the one where Conor fell over himself to buy the free?"
I was calling it as a neutral supporting Monaghan, a tangle usually results in a free so , as I say , at least he took it from the correct spot. If you watch him he marks the ground himself and stays outfield side. 7 point win flattered Dublin.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2285 - 16/07/2023 14:41:55    2494790

Link

Players will probably feel its a chance left behind. The first half was the real killer, had 14 shots in the first half only converted 7. I thought Dublin got a couple of dubious/soft frees while at the game and after second viewing today I still think the same.
Two frees against Lavelle in partulicular where soft in particular, it was also strange that out the two fouls for holding off the ball went against Monaghan even though both teams where at it all day.

Dublin turned the screw with 10 to go and unfortunately the depth wasn't in the panel to help in that crucial period.

Overall its been a great Journey this year with drama tension and some great days notably. Tyrone, Mayo,Kildare and Armagh.

For next season if Vinny can unearth a few more players. There is about three of this year under 20 panel that should be able to step up the senior level.

Vinny has used 36 players during the year which is incredible compared to previous seasons.

Also if we could get Kearns and Woods back on board for 2024 then we should be in a much stronger place.

shaggylegend (Monaghan) - Posts: 1948 - 16/07/2023 15:44:57    2494799

Link

Replying To Saynothing:  "I was calling it as a neutral supporting Monaghan, a tangle usually results in a free so , as I say , at least he took it from the correct spot. If you watch him he marks the ground himself and stays outfield side. 7 point win flattered Dublin."
Dubs would be happy with a win, so 1pt or 7 is immaterial.
To more or less suggest that Conor is above stealing a yard or two to benefit his team is an insult to the man

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 872 - 16/07/2023 15:57:07    2494803

Link

The very fact that the cavan posts come flooding in when were beaten tells its own story

prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 16/07/2023 15:59:07    2494804

Link

Replying To prideof85:  "The very fact that the cavan posts come flooding in when were beaten tells its own story"
Would you have it any other way? That's what makes the gaa so special.

Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 16/07/2023 16:01:33    2494806

Link

Replying To Fontofwisdom:  "Would you have it any other way? That's what makes the gaa so special."
Jealous begrudging Cavanites make thecGAA special?

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2260 - 16/07/2023 19:19:42    2494885

Link

Disappointing result yesterday. The game was there to be won and Monaghan were very close to causing an unpset if they could have ground out a couple of more scores but it wasn't to be. A goal chance went begging too. Hat's off to Dublin though , they were able to see it out.

My only fear for Monaghan yesterday was that they would get caught cold early or nerves would grip them and they'd be out of the game before they got a chance to show what they are capable of. That this didn't happen is a testament to Vinny Corey and his team's preparation and Monaghan were able to establish themselves in the game. There was hardly a poor performance at all. Playing a number of expereinced players from the start helped even if it reduced the impact a bit near the end.

The standard of punditry pre-game was woeful. I wonder what some of these people have been looking at all year.
Dublin didn't fall into the trap of underestimating Monaghan. Over the last 10 years plenty of teams (including Monaghan) have failed to lay a glove on Dublin, so to put it up to them was a sign of how Monaghan's mentality has
improved, again the management will have had a huge influence there. Other fancied teams wilted as the season went on, Monaghan got better. They could have chucked it after the beating against Derry but they didn't, they regrouped and got their rewards for playing each game on its merits.

I have to say that the big men around the park were also very important. I thought Lavelle and Mohan helped establish the kind of physical platform that's needed in these big games. Dublin are a physical team and you can only beat them if you match that physicality. Monaghan were able to do that. Leonard was back in the squad yesterday and hopefully Kearns might make a return. With a couple of other possibilities there is scope for Monaghan to improve again next year.

The less said about the referees yesterday and today the better. Some questionable decisions.

But overall well done to players and management. They'll be disappointed but overall it's been a very good year. Maybe next year will be better but you have to take your chances as they arise, so no guarantees.

PolicemanFox (Monaghan) - Posts: 191 - 16/07/2023 19:40:37    2494896

Link

Can I just say...

At a time when recent events albeit from a small (very small) minority of "gaa people" have come under the microscope, a massive credit to everyone especially on the Hill Yesterday who despite the weather made a great day out of what was a savage occasion. Lots of Monaghan colour around the ground aswell as meath and Down and no trouble just people being nice before during and after the game. A reminder to us all that at the end of the day this is just a leisure activity and its just a bit of fun.

Hope everyone had a safe journey back.

waynoI (Dublin) - Posts: 13654 - 16/07/2023 19:56:35    2494900

Link

Disappointed but proud leaving croke Park yesterday. The players gave it everything couldn't fault them. Dublin just had the extra gear in last ten when we started to tire. Thought the free given against o hanlon near sideline was a huge moment as it pushed lead out to three and dublin looked comfortable after that. It was a big call but Hurson was consistent throughout to be fair. Team rightly praised afterwards but little consolation to them and they'll feel it was there for them. Dublin actually closed down o connell and Mccarthy and we needed mcenespie and o hanlon to create space. Gary Mone had a great match. Big battle with Fenton. His energy drove a lot of good stuff monaghan did. We needed two of him through for a presence inside. Mcmanus was class from frees and open play in probably his last appearance. Unfortunately starting him and kieran hughes meant apart from Jack we had no impact off it. Been good to have seen Jones in earlier as he couldn't make any impact in limited time he had. Dublin were always going to come hard in final stretch and we needed to be in front at that stage. Our first half display should have established that lead but we left chances behind us. Been a great year through. The team will come again but we need players like woods Kearns back on the panel and pace in the forwards to keep progressing. Derry were top class today and will hard beat in ulster but we have to target latter stages again next year.

seanie08 (Monaghan) - Posts: 1880 - 16/07/2023 19:59:50    2494902

Link

Replying To PolicemanFox:  "Disappointing result yesterday. The game was there to be won and Monaghan were very close to causing an unpset if they could have ground out a couple of more scores but it wasn't to be. A goal chance went begging too. Hat's off to Dublin though , they were able to see it out.

My only fear for Monaghan yesterday was that they would get caught cold early or nerves would grip them and they'd be out of the game before they got a chance to show what they are capable of. That this didn't happen is a testament to Vinny Corey and his team's preparation and Monaghan were able to establish themselves in the game. There was hardly a poor performance at all. Playing a number of expereinced players from the start helped even if it reduced the impact a bit near the end.

The standard of punditry pre-game was woeful. I wonder what some of these people have been looking at all year.
Dublin didn't fall into the trap of underestimating Monaghan. Over the last 10 years plenty of teams (including Monaghan) have failed to lay a glove on Dublin, so to put it up to them was a sign of how Monaghan's mentality has
improved, again the management will have had a huge influence there. Other fancied teams wilted as the season went on, Monaghan got better. They could have chucked it after the beating against Derry but they didn't, they regrouped and got their rewards for playing each game on its merits.

I have to say that the big men around the park were also very important. I thought Lavelle and Mohan helped establish the kind of physical platform that's needed in these big games. Dublin are a physical team and you can only beat them if you match that physicality. Monaghan were able to do that. Leonard was back in the squad yesterday and hopefully Kearns might make a return. With a couple of other possibilities there is scope for Monaghan to improve again next year.

The less said about the referees yesterday and today the better. Some questionable decisions.

But overall well done to players and management. They'll be disappointed but overall it's been a very good year. Maybe next year will be better but you have to take your chances as they arise, so no guarantees."
2015 the last time Monaghan won any medals. That is along time . Are we become the Mayo of Ulster?

So we scored a late goal to down Tyrone then lose to Derry. We beat Clare ( yes Clare), we draw with Derry and lose to Donegal. We just about beat Kildare and beat Armagh on penalties. We are beaten by the dubs.

So we win 3, lose 3, and draw 2,- so we won 37.5 %of our games? - Tyrone is the only team in div 1 that we defeated.

Our best game was the second game against Derry. We played our most attacking football. So I hope we concentrate on winning Ulster next year ( which we have a good chance of achieving)and then take it from there

Wish Conor McManus all the best - whether he stays on or retires.

Bernardo (Monaghan) - Posts: 611 - 16/07/2023 20:14:03    2494910

Link