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Replying To veterngaa: "Darragh maloney a tough listen! Like having a Dublin Fan TV commentator" You should have switched to BBC. Niblock was at it for Monaghan.
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Thought Hurson did no favours for Monaghan. A pile of soft scorable frees for Dublin, missed frees against Monaghan which Dublin scored from and Con Callaghan could take as many steps as he liked ( with one exception). Dublin Sean.
facethepuckout (Roscommon) - Posts: 219 - 15/07/2023 19:38:50
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I wouldn't blame the ref too much to be honest. We were as good as could be hoped for and have Dublin their first real test.
Call a spade a spade Dublin are a professional outfit with some of the greatest players to ever play the game lining out in key positions.
Enough of this Clifford waffle too - Fenton for me is the greatest player this games ever seen, he has the medals and the huge performances to back that statement up. He can do everything at an elite level. He got back at McCarthy when he was in for goal, he won kick outs and big moments, He got scores from play when we had them badly under the pump. Name me another player who can do it all like him, with as many all-stars and medals?!
Anyway..The goal at the end spoiled the look of the score line but I'd say that's as close as anyone outside of Kerry is going to get to Dublin.
Sadly what did it for us today was our bench. In a game that was crying out for pace we had to bring on Jack they could bring in McCarthy. Where Dessie was really poor today we had to persist with him, whereas they could whip off one of their main men this year early and bring in Kilkenny. We just lacked an injection of pace that this game needed and when our main men's legs went, that was that. Until next year.
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Replying To sam1884: "It was the best referee performance of the season. You earn your frees, you don't buy them with this referee. The handling on the ground decisions and seeing players pulling and dragging off the ball was fantastic. He was brave to call the black card when many wouldn't of been in a full Croke Park. He also got the high body hits correct but didn't stop the game being physical.
Even introducing a bit of comedy by using the screen for the 45 at the end. Just an overall fantastic performance especially in those conditions and credit where it is due.
Referees don't get the good performances called out enough. He probably can't get the final two years in a row, he'd deserve it though after this evening.
As for the game Monaghan made it a real battle for 60 minutes. It's a 75 minute game at this stage of the competition and Dublin just had too much for them in the end." 100% agree. It was the most consistent display of the season.
SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 15/07/2023 19:42:03
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Monaghan are one of the greatest underachievers in the last 20 years. With forwards like Mcmanus, McCarron, McCarthy(when he was in there) and Bannigan, backs like the Wylies and Boyle, adding in both Hughes and Beggan, etc, to have won nothing in 10 years in shocking. In that time, a mad obsession with div 1 meant consistently running out of steam when it actually mattered. Look, we're not exactly ripping up trees down here either but we won an Ulster title with a hardworking but workmanlike squad. Great performance today in a game that you were never realistically winning but it seems like the end of the road for some of your stars.
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/07/2023 19:44:38
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Replying To endgame: "Not so. Do referees always have to be criticised. Hurson got most things right on a difficult wet day." He gave some really cheap frees to Dublin which kept the scoreboard ticking over for them. I know its a hard job etc but on big days soft frees like that can have an enormous impact.
Jazzyjeff (Derry) - Posts: 212 - 15/07/2023 20:01:39
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "Monaghan are one of the greatest underachievers in the last 20 years. With forwards like Mcmanus, McCarron, McCarthy(when he was in there) and Bannigan, backs like the Wylies and Boyle, adding in both Hughes and Beggan, etc, to have won nothing in 10 years in shocking. In that time, a mad obsession with div 1 meant consistently running out of steam when it actually mattered. Look, we're not exactly ripping up trees down here either but we won an Ulster title with a hardworking but workmanlike squad. Great performance today in a game that you were never realistically winning but it seems like the end of the road for some of your stars." counties much bigger than Monaghan haven't reached the last 4 of the championship twice in the last 5 years and they have spent nine consecutive years in Div 1 only Kerry have been in the top division longer.
"Greatest underachievers" and heap of posters like such a post, that's hoganstand for you i guess.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3588 - 15/07/2023 20:15:48
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "counties much bigger than Monaghan haven't reached the last 4 of the championship twice in the last 5 years and they have spent nine consecutive years in Div 1 only Kerry have been in the top division longer.
"Greatest underachievers" and heap of posters like such a post, that's hoganstand for you i guess." How are they not underachievers. I didn't say they should be winning the all-ireland but they haven't won Ulster in 10 years. Bar praise for their resilience, they've little to show for a decade of great players. You're patronising them, pushing the 'they're great to have stuck at it so long' line.
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/07/2023 20:55:33
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "How are they not underachievers. I didn't say they should be winning the all-ireland but they haven't won Ulster in 10 years. Bar praise for their resilience, they've little to show for a decade of great players. You're patronising them, pushing the 'they're great to have stuck at it so long' line." Either you can't count or you haven't a clue about football, my guess would be both
achara (Monaghan) - Posts: 584 - 15/07/2023 21:09:06
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "How are they not underachievers. I didn't say they should be winning the all-ireland but they haven't won Ulster in 10 years. Bar praise for their resilience, they've little to show for a decade of great players. You're patronising them, pushing the 'they're great to have stuck at it so long' line." 2015 was the last one. You can only count your pennies it seems.
seanfinn (Monaghan) - Posts: 360 - 15/07/2023 21:12:20
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Replying To seanfinn: "2015 was the last one. You can only count your pennies it seems." Yeah, I'm aware of 2015. Nearly a decade without success, is that better?
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/07/2023 21:23:29
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Replying To achara: "Either you can't count or you haven't a clue about football, my guess would be both" 10 was used as a round up figure. My point stands though!
Fontofwisdom (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 15/07/2023 21:24:46
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "10 was used as a round up figure. My point stands though!" The point was you playing the WUM.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3588 - 15/07/2023 21:35:07
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Dissapointed but overall happy with the year not bad for a team in transition and give us some edge of the seat stuff this last 6 to 8 weeks and with more young blood next year who knows muineachan abu
prideof85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 851 - 15/07/2023 21:36:36
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Replying To Jjoniel79: "I wouldn't blame the ref too much to be honest. We were as good as could be hoped for and have Dublin their first real test.
Call a spade a spade Dublin are a professional outfit with some of the greatest players to ever play the game lining out in key positions.
Enough of this Clifford waffle too - Fenton for me is the greatest player this games ever seen, he has the medals and the huge performances to back that statement up. He can do everything at an elite level. He got back at McCarthy when he was in for goal, he won kick outs and big moments, He got scores from play when we had them badly under the pump. Name me another player who can do it all like him, with as many all-stars and medals?!
Anyway..The goal at the end spoiled the look of the score line but I'd say that's as close as anyone outside of Kerry is going to get to Dublin.
Sadly what did it for us today was our bench. In a game that was crying out for pace we had to bring on Jack they could bring in McCarthy. Where Dessie was really poor today we had to persist with him, whereas they could whip off one of their main men this year early and bring in Kilkenny. We just lacked an injection of pace that this game needed and when our main men's legs went, that was that. Until next year." Thought the ref had a good game, yes there is always going to be questions over frees given or not given but he done well. My only gripe is on frees, I was sitting in lower Cusack close to Canal end and Dublin in the first half got a couple of frees under the Cusack close to the Canal end, one was a mark, why can't officials keep tabs of where the free is being taken, stealing yards making the frees easier is cheating. Mc Manus in second half took his from exact spot free or mark was won. Monaghan had them but lost game between the 60 and 65th minute, just ran out of steam against the pros.
Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2284 - 15/07/2023 23:07:39
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "Monaghan are one of the greatest underachievers in the last 20 years. With forwards like Mcmanus, McCarron, McCarthy(when he was in there) and Bannigan, backs like the Wylies and Boyle, adding in both Hughes and Beggan, etc, to have won nothing in 10 years in shocking. In that time, a mad obsession with div 1 meant consistently running out of steam when it actually mattered. Look, we're not exactly ripping up trees down here either but we won an Ulster title with a hardworking but workmanlike squad. Great performance today in a game that you were never realistically winning but it seems like the end of the road for some of your stars." Probably one of the sourest posts I've ever read on hoganstand about the attributes of a team .if underachievement is what you think of our county , what do you think of your own? Anyway not to dwell on your resentment we as Monaghan folk are very proud of the endless enjoyment that our players have given us over the years . And I'm sure other counties would love to have the dedication that our players and management have shown . There are endless Monaghan players that I'd loved to have seen win an all Ireland, but one thing they have all won is the respect of everyone in Monaghan and further afield and will continue doing so for a long time to come
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Replying To stoneygrey: "Probably one of the sourest posts I've ever read on hoganstand about the attributes of a team .if underachievement is what you think of our county , what do you think of your own? Anyway not to dwell on your resentment we as Monaghan folk are very proud of the endless enjoyment that our players have given us over the years . And I'm sure other counties would love to have the dedication that our players and management have shown . There are endless Monaghan players that I'd loved to have seen win an all Ireland, but one thing they have all won is the respect of everyone in Monaghan and further afield and will continue doing so for a long time to come" Don't waste your time Stoney.
Remember, the only things that other chap had to look forward to this week were, hoping Dublin would win, and watching a second rate final he thought his team were going to win, but weren't even playing in. Now that's some achievement.
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Replying To stoneygrey: "Probably one of the sourest posts I've ever read on hoganstand about the attributes of a team .if underachievement is what you think of our county , what do you think of your own? Anyway not to dwell on your resentment we as Monaghan folk are very proud of the endless enjoyment that our players have given us over the years . And I'm sure other counties would love to have the dedication that our players and management have shown . There are endless Monaghan players that I'd loved to have seen win an all Ireland, but one thing they have all won is the respect of everyone in Monaghan and further afield and will continue doing so for a long time to come" Take no notice. Monaghan have given great entertainment to their county and the gaa in general for the last decade. Monaghan have been brilliant and I've no doubt will be back again next year. I loved watching Dick Ckerkin the Wylies The Jap Finlay Jack McCarton Conor McCarthy and the rest and of course McManus. Monaghan people can hold their heads up high. Anyone that says different is just jealous.
CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3867 - 16/07/2023 10:00:01
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Replying To Fontofwisdom: "Monaghan are one of the greatest underachievers in the last 20 years. With forwards like Mcmanus, McCarron, McCarthy(when he was in there) and Bannigan, backs like the Wylies and Boyle, adding in both Hughes and Beggan, etc, to have won nothing in 10 years in shocking. In that time, a mad obsession with div 1 meant consistently running out of steam when it actually mattered. Look, we're not exactly ripping up trees down here either but we won an Ulster title with a hardworking but workmanlike squad. Great performance today in a game that you were never realistically winning but it seems like the end of the road for some of your stars." what are you smoking font of wisdom Monaghan have been one of the greatest overachievers in the past 20 years and punched way above their weight reached 5 or 6 ulster finals winning 2 and losing 2 by a point retaining division 1 status which has given all their teams especially their under age ones a new sense of belief that they can compete with and beat anyone. We for the past 20 years bar 2020 have been shite.
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Hard luck to Monaghan yesterday. Ye gave it some go and if one of those goal chances had of been converted in the first half, who knows what might have happened.
To put Monaghans success into perspective, they are the only county along with Cavan (which was in the Covid year so an astrix is needed) with a population of under 100,000 to reach an AI semi-final since Fermanagh in 2004. That is nearly a 20 year period. The next was then in 1997. So you have to go back to the days of straight knock out before you get counties with small populations making semi's with any sort of regularity. That is food for thought on the challenge that faces counties like Monaghan, Roscommon, Cavan, Offaly, Sligo who are trying their best to break into the top tier whether it is at underage or senior.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 16/07/2023 13:01:01
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