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Replying To KillingFields:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "[quote=KillingFields:  "100%. In the last four or five years, my own club has lost three very good young hurlers and footballers to other sports. One went to one of the big soccer clubs in Dublin, and the other two are with the Leinster rugby academy. All have been told not to play hurling or football any more, even in the soccer and rugby off-season.

We haven't gone running to the papers about it, or kicking up a stink on social media. Maybe we should!
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 847 - 08/04/2022 10:17:23
when you say Leinster rugby academy i guess you mean south east development squads at under 15/16 as academy doesnt start until players are in third level. Even sub academy is for students in third level.
The players who are training with provincial rugby squads train 3/4 times a week during the summer from early July until Middle of August/September so hard to play much else when doing that kind of training load."
I apologise if I didn't have the terminology correct, but basically yes, they went to join whatever player development pathway that rugby run. And I'm in no way suggesting that players in the rugby development system don't train hard, or that it doesn't take big commitment.

But point remains that as soon as these lads committed to the rugby development squads, they were told to forget about GAA, and that's what they did, even though one of them in particular was very reluctant to do so. I'm sure that if either or both ignored rugby orders and came to play a hurling match with us when they wanted to, they'd have got their marching orders from the rugby set-up too.

So it's no different in essence to the lads in Offaly committing to the GAA development squads there, but then deciding to go play soccer one day instead.

And then we hear these "GAA stops young lads from playing soccer" stories....but as pointed out above, we never hear "Soccer (or rugby) stops young lads from playing hurling and football"."
How much do soccer or rugby stop kids from playing hurling or football.
on the development squads these players also are often in residential camps if under 18/19 for provincial squads.
the players in these squads are not told to forget about GAA or any other sports for that matter but to reduce the training load they will do in the summer period ahead of the interpros."]https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-u13-u14-u15-u16-gaelic-football-in-craughwell?recruiter=850347167&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR2BFDhJ8U6E_YOxiN0Uk_tiSg0pDOWrpSuLNTMopkGeXjPxhGWzxxgq890

Had this sent to me last week. A club in Galway stopping young lads playing Gaelic Football. I have heard it all now!"]Do they just want young lads to play hurling? Only one side to the story on the petition. Not explaining Craughwell GAA's reason for making the decision. Maybe they don't have the player numbers at underage to field football teams.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 12/04/2022 15:59:42    2410709

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "I apologise if I didn't have the terminology correct, but basically yes, they went to join whatever player development pathway that rugby run. And I'm in no way suggesting that players in the rugby development system don't train hard, or that it doesn't take big commitment.

But point remains that as soon as these lads committed to the rugby development squads, they were told to forget about GAA, and that's what they did, even though one of them in particular was very reluctant to do so. I'm sure that if either or both ignored rugby orders and came to play a hurling match with us when they wanted to, they'd have got their marching orders from the rugby set-up too.

So it's no different in essence to the lads in Offaly committing to the GAA development squads there, but then deciding to go play soccer one day instead.

And then we hear these "GAA stops young lads from playing soccer" stories....but as pointed out above, we never hear "Soccer (or rugby) stops young lads from playing hurling and football"."
How much do soccer or rugby stop kids from playing hurling or football.
on the development squads these players also are often in residential camps if under 18/19 for provincial squads.
the players in these squads are not told to forget about GAA or any other sports for that matter but to reduce the training load they will do in the summer period ahead of the interpros."]https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-u13-u14-u15-u16-gaelic-football-in-craughwell?recruiter=850347167&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR2BFDhJ8U6E_YOxiN0Uk_tiSg0pDOWrpSuLNTMopkGeXjPxhGWzxxgq890

Had this sent to me last week. A club in Galway stopping young lads playing Gaelic Football. I have heard it all now!"]Do they just want young lads to play hurling? Only one side to the story on the petition. Not explaining Craughwell GAA's reason for making the decision. Maybe they don't have the player numbers at underage to field football teams."]In the letter I saw sent from the club secretary to the county board explaining the decision it was stated that the reason was "player burnout" and fixture/training congestion. You would have to wonder how ever dual club in the country is able bar this one. I understand numbers is not an issue as the population in this part of Galway has doubled/trebled in the last few years.

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 12/04/2022 16:40:18    2410717

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "How much do soccer or rugby stop kids from playing hurling or football.
on the development squads these players also are often in residential camps if under 18/19 for provincial squads.
the players in these squads are not told to forget about GAA or any other sports for that matter but to reduce the training load they will do in the summer period ahead of the interpros."
https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-u13-u14-u15-u16-gaelic-football-in-craughwell?recruiter=850347167&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR2BFDhJ8U6E_YOxiN0Uk_tiSg0pDOWrpSuLNTMopkGeXjPxhGWzxxgq890

Had this sent to me last week. A club in Galway stopping young lads playing Gaelic Football. I have heard it all now!"]Do they just want young lads to play hurling? Only one side to the story on the petition. Not explaining Craughwell GAA's reason for making the decision. Maybe they don't have the player numbers at underage to field football teams."]In the letter I saw sent from the club secretary to the county board explaining the decision it was stated that the reason was "player burnout" and fixture/training congestion. You would have to wonder how ever dual club in the country is able bar this one. I understand numbers is not an issue as the population in this part of Galway has doubled/trebled in the last few years."]I'm probably on dodgy ground here but most of the population growth would be from people from abroad with no background in the gaa and little to no interest in it.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 12/04/2022 19:50:37    2410745

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Replying To Galway9801:  "https://www.change.org/p/bring-back-u13-u14-u15-u16-gaelic-football-in-craughwell?recruiter=850347167&utm_campaign=signature_receipt&utm_medium=facebook&utm_source=share_petition&fbclid=IwAR2BFDhJ8U6E_YOxiN0Uk_tiSg0pDOWrpSuLNTMopkGeXjPxhGWzxxgq890

Had this sent to me last week. A club in Galway stopping young lads playing Gaelic Football. I have heard it all now!"
Do they just want young lads to play hurling? Only one side to the story on the petition. Not explaining Craughwell GAA's reason for making the decision. Maybe they don't have the player numbers at underage to field football teams."]In the letter I saw sent from the club secretary to the county board explaining the decision it was stated that the reason was "player burnout" and fixture/training congestion. You would have to wonder how ever dual club in the country is able bar this one. I understand numbers is not an issue as the population in this part of Galway has doubled/trebled in the last few years."]I'm probably on dodgy ground here but most of the population growth would be from people from abroad with no background in the gaa and little to no interest in it."]Population growth in these parts of Galway is particularly due to families who initially settled in the city and are now moving out to the smaller towns. Kids in these families probably played soccer/football/rugby and not hurling and clubs like the one in Craughwell probably don't like that. God forbid if they were successful at anything other than hurling especially football.

hashtag2017 (Galway) - Posts: 173 - 13/04/2022 10:35:47    2410792

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Replying To hashtag2017:  "Do they just want young lads to play hurling? Only one side to the story on the petition. Not explaining Craughwell GAA's reason for making the decision. Maybe they don't have the player numbers at underage to field football teams."
In the letter I saw sent from the club secretary to the county board explaining the decision it was stated that the reason was "player burnout" and fixture/training congestion. You would have to wonder how ever dual club in the country is able bar this one. I understand numbers is not an issue as the population in this part of Galway has doubled/trebled in the last few years."]I'm probably on dodgy ground here but most of the population growth would be from people from abroad with no background in the gaa and little to no interest in it."]Population growth in these parts of Galway is particularly due to families who initially settled in the city and are now moving out to the smaller towns. Kids in these families probably played soccer/football/rugby and not hurling and clubs like the one in Craughwell probably don't like that. God forbid if they were successful at anything other than hurling especially football."]A big population is no guarantee that kids will want to play for GAA clubs be it native Irish kids or foreign kids. The club needs to work to make parents aware of the club, training times, age groups etc and often do it going through the local schools with information fliers to bring home to parents. Often the incentive for kids is their classmates or neighbour is doing it so they want to try it. And then the need to keep players interested year on year when there's distractions like extra studies or starting new activities and new sports especially when they start secondary school. Coaches need to know numbers on board for scheduling individual games in case they need to go to the lower age grade for players for matches. One of the comments on the petition there says if a kid wants to play a sport the club committee should arrange it. Fairly naive comment I think. Teams don't magic themselves up, games don't schedule themselves and pitches don't make themselves available without work and planning. For every club.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 13/04/2022 17:03:28    2410878

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Off The Ball are fairly tearing into the provincial football. Obviously deflecting coverage from their beloved rugby heros who choked again.

brisbane (Galway) - Posts: 675 - 29/05/2022 17:29:56    2420803

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While I'm a fan of the LOI soccer in the last few days "LOI fans" have been on more anti GAA rants than normal. What exactly is the chip on the shoulder Irish soccer fans have with the GAA? You'll never hear them say anything about Rugby or any other sport for that matter.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 29/05/2022 20:09:26    2420873

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Replying To brisbane:  "Off The Ball are fairly tearing into the provincial football. Obviously deflecting coverage from their beloved rugby heros who choked again."
While I was once a very big fan of Off the Ball it must be well over a year since I last listened to it. It actually amazes me it's still on the air.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 29/05/2022 20:11:13    2420874

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Replying To oneoff:  "While I'm a fan of the LOI soccer in the last few days "LOI fans" have been on more anti GAA rants than normal. What exactly is the chip on the shoulder Irish soccer fans have with the GAA? You'll never hear them say anything about Rugby or any other sport for that matter."
They're largely unaware of rugby; but the real reason is that that type of hater tends to be a closet Unionist (as opposed to an honest Unionist) who is hostile towards anything perceived to be culturally Irish. Rugby gets a bye from them as it's a game played by people they consider to be their superiors. Whereas the GAA is a game played by people they wish to feel superior to.

The cultural hatred is all too real though; encountered it often enough in the 15 years I lived in Dublin.

GAA fans are the most broadminded. I enjoy a game of soccer on rugby, and have a reasonable interest in both sports.

Whereas the typical rugby fan is indifferent to GAA or soccer; and the typical hard-core Irish soccer fan is unaware of rugby and is contemptuous about GAA.

essmac (Tyrone) - Posts: 1141 - 29/05/2022 21:06:18    2420891

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Replying To oneoff:  "While I'm a fan of the LOI soccer in the last few days "LOI fans" have been on more anti GAA rants than normal. What exactly is the chip on the shoulder Irish soccer fans have with the GAA? You'll never hear them say anything about Rugby or any other sport for that matter."
Which League of Ireland fans are they?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 29/05/2022 21:19:52    2420897

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Which League of Ireland fans are they?"
As usual they weren't from any single club.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 30/05/2022 08:36:43    2420929

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Replying To oneoff:  "As usual they weren't from any single club."
Fictitious or vague? Like the real story about the Offaly Development Squad.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 30/05/2022 10:56:29    2420979

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Fictitious or vague? Like the real story about the Offaly Development Squad."
Mostly about the games at the weekend. The irony is they claim to hate the GAA but are clearly watching the games themselves.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 30/05/2022 13:19:06    2421066

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Replying To oneoff:  "Mostly about the games at the weekend. The irony is they claim to hate the GAA but are clearly watching the games themselves."
Whoever 'they' are. I asked you who 'they' are. Shouldn't be that difficult to answer if you're not trolling. GAA people criticising games at the weekend isn't anti GAA bias?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 30/05/2022 14:21:09    2421104

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Whoever 'they' are. I asked you who 'they' are. Shouldn't be that difficult to answer if you're not trolling. GAA people criticising games at the weekend isn't anti GAA bias?"
What exactly is it you want? Their full name and address? It's on Twitter and it's there for you to see. Unless of course you're one of them?

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 30/05/2022 15:05:31    2421134

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Replying To oneoff:  "What exactly is it you want? Their full name and address? It's on Twitter and it's there for you to see. Unless of course you're one of them?"
You're a troll. A non-event. Happy when you're attempting to make someone else miserable. Spoofer.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 30/05/2022 15:51:36    2421159

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "You're a troll. A non-event. Happy when you're attempting to make someone else miserable. Spoofer."
What are you talking about? It's not my fault if you get upset by comments you don't like.

oneoff (UK) - Posts: 1640 - 30/05/2022 17:22:53    2421217

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Anti GAA agenda? How often have I seen any rugby inside here.

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 310 - 30/05/2022 18:26:07    2421241

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Which League of Ireland fans are they?"
They are easily enough found over the Interwebs, the late George Byrne of De Heddild being a case in point. Their main gripe tends to be that the GAA is good at getting funding (ignoring, of course, that the FAI have proven themselves to be completely unreliable in terms of corporate governance) and thus somehow prevents Ireland becoming world beaters at soccer.

I have also heard variations to the extent that gaelic football is an "artificial" sport, as if we all climbed out of the primordial soup clutching a pair of boots or something. One also sometimes hears slagging of gaelic games as "parochial", as if that delegitimizes it somehow.

While that sort of LOI fan is annoying, at least in their defence you could say that they are supporting Irish sport, as are the rugby goys. The Premier League uber-fan (e.g. Ian O'Doherty, Declan Lynch) seem to regard themselves as more sophisticated because they follow a global product rather than local sports. They exhibit severe cultural cringe, seemingly opposing any pursuits even vaguely indigenous to our shores. No surprise they ended up working at INM...

I do also come across an older soccer fan who is antipathetic to the GAA because of Ban Era stuff, who I'd have a bit more sympathy for.

Gleebo (Mayo) - Posts: 2208 - 31/05/2022 08:21:48    2421278

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Replying To Gleebo:  "They are easily enough found over the Interwebs, the late George Byrne of De Heddild being a case in point. Their main gripe tends to be that the GAA is good at getting funding (ignoring, of course, that the FAI have proven themselves to be completely unreliable in terms of corporate governance) and thus somehow prevents Ireland becoming world beaters at soccer.

I have also heard variations to the extent that gaelic football is an "artificial" sport, as if we all climbed out of the primordial soup clutching a pair of boots or something. One also sometimes hears slagging of gaelic games as "parochial", as if that delegitimizes it somehow.

While that sort of LOI fan is annoying, at least in their defence you could say that they are supporting Irish sport, as are the rugby goys. The Premier League uber-fan (e.g. Ian O'Doherty, Declan Lynch) seem to regard themselves as more sophisticated because they follow a global product rather than local sports. They exhibit severe cultural cringe, seemingly opposing any pursuits even vaguely indigenous to our shores. No surprise they ended up working at INM...

I do also come across an older soccer fan who is antipathetic to the GAA because of Ban Era stuff, who I'd have a bit more sympathy for."
Pay no heed to them Gleebo. A lot of League of Ireland supporters follow the GAA and a lot of GAA players played League of Ireland and higher levels of soccer. And plenty too refer to Gaelic Football as 'bogball'. They're looking for a reaction and best ignored. Plenty of GAA people have time for other sports and plenty don't like other sports, that's their own choice. Plenty of online 'newspapers' are only too happy to represent a disagreement at a match as 'GAA match turns into full blown schmozzle as video shows 'one in all in' brawl'. Third rate clickbait where someone was paid to give them video footage off their phone to create a nonsensical headline.

But most of the anonymous online soccer 'fans' referring to Man City, Liverpool, Barca, Bayern etc as 'we', believing soccer was invented around the time the Premier League and Champions League started posting defensive/abusive stuff because they don't know anything about football other than what they've seen online a computer from Tuam to Timbuctoo. Bandwagoners. Plenty of very knowledgeable soccer people too.Thankfully GAA sports have a high participation and volunteering rate, young and old. Has it's faults too. Be proud of it without needing to compare with other sports. No point in giving people who criticise the GAA any reaction. Save your energy for the shouting on Saturday Gleebo. We'll need it!

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7991 - 31/05/2022 10:52:09    2421317

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