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The Down game on Saturday was one of the worst games iv been to in awhile....Absolute Dire stuff! When we won ball in the back line the just crawled out with it....Typical Handpassing and 50-50 passes aswel at times.

Three weeks ago I wasn't able to go to Aughrim but went to the Tyrone Meath game in Navan. Meath on the Day was Opening up Tyrone on the Counter attack and it was great to see. Tyrone Didn't know how to handle it....But Tyrone missed some easy chances on the day also.

I left that day saying Tyrone is there for anyone to beat and even Meath was very unlucky that day...After seeing the draw this morning and the Performance Saturday. I have a feeling it'll be the same as the replay in Clones 2 years ago...

Cavanman123 (Cavan) - Posts: 14 - 25/06/2018 12:24:30    2114632

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Jim Gavin could take over Cavan next year and there wouldn't be an improvement. You cant teach players to be intelligent, or to do intelligent things on pitch, a player either has intelligence or he hasn't, sadly, the majority of footballers in Cavan lack any sort of footballing intelligence. A manager can only pick the team, he cant play the match for them. Go to any club game in Cavan, the football is absolutely terrible, but it has been for a long time. The issue is not with management, the issue is with the County Board and their continuing ignorance towards grass roots and development. The underage structure in Cavan is in massive, massive trouble, yet they continue to ignore it year after year. All they're interested in is each club sending in 2/3 players to development squads with the remaining players left behind to fend for themselves. And its clear that these development squads do not work. They introduced a new U17 grade, yet multiple clubs were unable to field teams, so many games were conceded. Two of these clubs are senior (Gaels and Killygarry) conceded 3/4 games each, so surely when two of your bigger senior clubs are unable to field teams, it must fire off some sort of warning shot ! There were no rules for how clubs amalgamate at all, some clubs amalgamated, yet were able to put two teams in some underage competitions and they then let the County U17 manager dictate fixtures and tell young lads not to play with their clubs. Then you have multiple players in every club over the age of 17 who have played no football this year. They now have to wait for a Mickey Mouse u21 competition that nobody cares about to commence in November. The County Board decided there was no need for an u19 competition because those players would have enough football playing reserve and senior football - they are so far detached from reality, they cant see the massive drop out rate with kids turning to other sports.

cavanblueman (Cavan) - Posts: 440 - 25/06/2018 13:31:19    2114660

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Either way Cavan have a game to play on Saturday. What was the story with Killian Clark? Is he injured and if so is it short or long term? Could he play on Saturday?

offtheditch (Cavan) - Posts: 128 - 25/06/2018 14:38:58    2114704

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First time poster based on what I've read on here over the past few days.

The negativity on this forum is absolutely shocking and is actually embarrassing to us as a county. I can't imagine what people outside of the county are thinking when they read our forum and what ammunition we are giving to other teams we may face.

I attended the game on Saturday and can't say that it was the most enjoyable game of football but the effort of those on the field and on the line can't be questioned by anyone. The players did their very best and ended up, luckily or not, coming away with a 2 point win. People will say that it was a lucky win but if you're still in a game at any stage and create a few chances you deserve to get a rub of the green sometimes.

The actions of the players at the end of the game however were down right inexcusable and silly.

I can't believe the utter hatred that's being posted towards the manager even after the weekend. The arrogance of some of the posts is shocking to say the least. I don't agree with some of our play this year but they have managed to get us back to division 1 with a lot less resources than were at our disposal previously. You would think that we have been top 4 contenders for the past 20 years the way some of the comments have been directed.

Lets focus on giving the team a bit of support in the lead in to the weekend.

coffee_tester (Antrim) - Posts: 1 - 25/06/2018 15:08:03    2114720

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Is there any hope of mcveety and Moynagh getting there red cards appealed?

sammaguire1 (Cavan) - Posts: 278 - 25/06/2018 16:07:10    2114762

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Croke Park on a Saturday evening and live on SKY, a time to be brave!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 554 - 25/06/2018 16:14:14    2114768

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Replying To coffee_tester:  "First time poster based on what I've read on here over the past few days.

The negativity on this forum is absolutely shocking and is actually embarrassing to us as a county. I can't imagine what people outside of the county are thinking when they read our forum and what ammunition we are giving to other teams we may face.

I attended the game on Saturday and can't say that it was the most enjoyable game of football but the effort of those on the field and on the line can't be questioned by anyone. The players did their very best and ended up, luckily or not, coming away with a 2 point win. People will say that it was a lucky win but if you're still in a game at any stage and create a few chances you deserve to get a rub of the green sometimes.

The actions of the players at the end of the game however were down right inexcusable and silly.

I can't believe the utter hatred that's being posted towards the manager even after the weekend. The arrogance of some of the posts is shocking to say the least. I don't agree with some of our play this year but they have managed to get us back to division 1 with a lot less resources than were at our disposal previously. You would think that we have been top 4 contenders for the past 20 years the way some of the comments have been directed.

Lets focus on giving the team a bit of support in the lead in to the weekend."
You'd want to open your eyes and read the posts. No one said a negative thing about t he players. It was the manager the ire was directed it for his appalling tactics and putting out a team that didnt know what they were supposed to be doing.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1248 - 25/06/2018 16:56:22    2114800

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Replying To coffee_tester:  "First time poster based on what I've read on here over the past few days.

The negativity on this forum is absolutely shocking and is actually embarrassing to us as a county. I can't imagine what people outside of the county are thinking when they read our forum and what ammunition we are giving to other teams we may face.

I attended the game on Saturday and can't say that it was the most enjoyable game of football but the effort of those on the field and on the line can't be questioned by anyone. The players did their very best and ended up, luckily or not, coming away with a 2 point win. People will say that it was a lucky win but if you're still in a game at any stage and create a few chances you deserve to get a rub of the green sometimes.

The actions of the players at the end of the game however were down right inexcusable and silly.

I can't believe the utter hatred that's being posted towards the manager even after the weekend. The arrogance of some of the posts is shocking to say the least. I don't agree with some of our play this year but they have managed to get us back to division 1 with a lot less resources than were at our disposal previously. You would think that we have been top 4 contenders for the past 20 years the way some of the comments have been directed.

Lets focus on giving the team a bit of support in the lead in to the weekend."
To be fair, this is the most negative the forum has ever been, so it must've been bad (I wasn't at the game as I'm abroad but the general opinion among people I've talked to mirrors the sentiment on here 100%).

There is only 1 poster on here who takes personal shots at anyone and people know by now to ignore him, no matter how many new usernames he uses.

The rest of us are genuinely worried about the direction Cavan football Is headed.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 3636 - 25/06/2018 19:38:41    2114901

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Replying To sammaguire1:  "Is there any hope of mcveety and Moynagh getting there red cards appealed?"
I am disappointed enough by the actions of our representatives after the final whistle on Saturday without compounding it by our County Board doing anything other than accepting whatever punishments are handed down by the CCC.

rahanman (Cavan) - Posts: 123 - 25/06/2018 20:07:59    2114920

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Replying To coffee_tester:  "First time poster based on what I've read on here over the past few days.

The negativity on this forum is absolutely shocking and is actually embarrassing to us as a county. I can't imagine what people outside of the county are thinking when they read our forum and what ammunition we are giving to other teams we may face.

I attended the game on Saturday and can't say that it was the most enjoyable game of football but the effort of those on the field and on the line can't be questioned by anyone. The players did their very best and ended up, luckily or not, coming away with a 2 point win. People will say that it was a lucky win but if you're still in a game at any stage and create a few chances you deserve to get a rub of the green sometimes.

The actions of the players at the end of the game however were down right inexcusable and silly.

I can't believe the utter hatred that's being posted towards the manager even after the weekend. The arrogance of some of the posts is shocking to say the least. I don't agree with some of our play this year but they have managed to get us back to division 1 with a lot less resources than were at our disposal previously. You would think that we have been top 4 contenders for the past 20 years the way some of the comments have been directed.

Lets focus on giving the team a bit of support in the lead in to the weekend."
The performance was indefensible.

Our best players walking away after winning provincial titles at underage is indefensible.

That game at the weekend was bordering on comical at times with the way the teams resorted to defending lead. Pass it around on your own twenty yard line. Farcical.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 353 - 25/06/2018 20:11:48    2114925

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Been at every game bar one this year and Saturday was the absolute pits.players seem disinterested and have no idea how to attack. Brought caoimhin on and he made run after run inside, ball not kicked in so he quit that and rambled round the middle. We seem to have taken the good out of mc veety. Mckiernan is the only saving grace but his actions post game were poor. Genuinely hate to say it but they need a good beating so as to start again

kanu (Cavan) - Posts: 169 - 25/06/2018 20:17:23    2114927

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I for one was happy with the appointment of Mattie when it happened... everybody was fed up with Terrys negative attics and over reliance on flavoured players... Mattie talked e good game and how he was going to be attack minded with free flowing football but very early in his tenure it was plain to see he was way out of his depth... hi a subs during games and team selections made little sense and his interviews after games were no better.... Now low and behold he has reverted to an ultra defensive system far worse than Hyland ever played... This tells me this manager is clueless... Any child could set up a team with all in defence as it is just pure lazy coaching that shows no imagination... There must be a change made and it must be a Cavan man that is given the job...

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 25/06/2018 20:18:41    2114929

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Replying To Sean.66:  "I for one was happy with the appointment of Mattie when it happened... everybody was fed up with Terrys negative attics and over reliance on flavoured players... Mattie talked e good game and how he was going to be attack minded with free flowing football but very early in his tenure it was plain to see he was way out of his depth... hi a subs during games and team selections made little sense and his interviews after games were no better.... Now low and behold he has reverted to an ultra defensive system far worse than Hyland ever played... This tells me this manager is clueless... Any child could set up a team with all in defence as it is just pure lazy coaching that shows no imagination... There must be a change made and it must be a Cavan man that is given the job..."
It's not pure lazy coaching as Mattie has shown. He can't coach it. There is way more than just getting players back. There has to be a clear role given to players and focused on different zones in that area. Cavan at the moment are just leaving it to each other with no physicality or intensity. Then you have to counter at lighting speed and if possible have an out ball and one or two talented link players.

As for people saying our underage is at its lowest.I can't remember it being better. We've had minor success and our minor team has being very competitive in last few years, also u21 success and then St Pats are flying at school level. It's the step up to senior is the problem and player retention.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1467 - 25/06/2018 20:30:35    2114943

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From what I heard Daras card was harsh and Moynaghs wasn't. The game itself was a shambles. We only came to life when Mackey came on....he tried so give and goes, and carried the ball trying to create gaps and space. Tyrone could beat us by anything. Mattie is clearly out of his depth

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 25/06/2018 20:33:07    2114950

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There is a very bad vibe within the county at present. But at the end of the day we are in round 3 of the qualifiers which we we normally dont get to ( Round 2 is usually our lot ) Yes we got lucky on Saturday but by god wasn't it time we got some luck. We are not a lucky county and how many times have things gone the other way for us.
I just hope the boys can use this negativity and turn it into something by giving one of the performances of their lives on Saturday , a performance that makes us proud . Look at meath a few weeks ago , a team we destroyed in Brefni a few months they give tyrone one hell of a battle and died with their boots on. Thats what we need to do this saturday. I have a sneaky feeling we will be surprised this weekend and this boys might put up a good show for us.

blueskies (Cavan) - Posts: 133 - 25/06/2018 21:33:22    2114994

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Boycott Croke Park. This match should be in Clones.

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 432 - 25/06/2018 21:48:32    2115009

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Boycott Croke Park. This match should be in Clones."
Absolutely 100% agree.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 353 - 25/06/2018 22:06:47    2115025

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "Boycott Croke Park. This match should be in Clones."
Nobody in their right mind should be paying good money in to watch the sort of tripe that Cavan are playing at the moment....people are getting fed up with what is going on in football... is it any wonder crowd numbers have fallen so much

Sean.66 (Cavan) - Posts: 293 - 25/06/2018 22:29:24    2115050

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I suspect Sky have deep pockets for enough diesel to have one rake of fellas to get themselves to Clones/ Brewster Park for as near a home game as Cavan merit, whilst dispatching more to Newbridge for the other standout round 3 fixture.

The location of Saturday's televised fixtures is lazy, unimaginative and cuts against the grain of a member led organisation.

With the greatest respect to all concerned, Croke Park is best when there are more people than empty seats.

Anyways, hope we meet in the 8s.

Knoxboya (Monaghan) - Posts: 275 - 25/06/2018 22:40:37    2115060

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Kildare refusing to play in Croke Park I hear and good for them. They have home advantage, why would you want to hand it to Mayo(croke park being their second home).

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5243 - 25/06/2018 22:40:37    2115061

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