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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "Why are you blaming the referee if two of our senior players think they can do what they like after the final whistle they deserve everything they got.
They can consider themselves lucky to be in the draw Monday morning. Simple error cost Down and why they went for a goal with only a point in it beggars belief.
Wise up please there is not a star amongst them including the management."
I don't believe waynerooney1 is blaming the ref for the red cards at the end. At least that's not how I read his post. He is blaming the ref for his performance throughout the game. However having said that both teams should share the blame. We need to draw Mayo to put us out of our misery

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5238 - 23/06/2018 22:44:37    2114054

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Replying To TheBlackDeath:  "You know what, you're dead right about the systems and sweepers thing. Very good of your lads to underline your point and show how effective systems can be today."
If our captain cannot show discipline what chance have we. Off course he was not the only one ?? there were the collar and tie brigade.
I agree let's hope we get a team that will put an end to this total S***E that we have to pay to watch. 4 points down and still playing with most of the team behind the ball. Got a lucky break with the goal and this knocked the stuffing out of the Division 3 team.
There is no way that these players are the best in the county something positive has to be done to bring in the best and make some form of renumeration to keep them in Ireland and not heading for America ect.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 23/06/2018 23:18:38    2114067

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One of the worst games of football I've ever seen.

Sheer dumb luck, bad refereeing and Down being awful themselves conspired to put us through.

No matter who we get in the draw could beat us based on today.

Absolutely clueless from the management. A club player would have the fitness levels to play a full game in the system were playing given the lack of ground to be covered. But somehow our best player in Cian Mackey is deemed not fit enough to start the games.

Caomhin Reilly dropped as well when he is our main inside scoring threat. Unexplainable. And a spot has also managed to have been found for in form and high scoring McVeety to become ineffective now on top of everything else as well..

Gross incompetence on the line regardless of whether we lack top quality players.

Get a manager in who is up to the job.

PatTheDandy (Cavan) - Posts: 179 - 24/06/2018 01:18:23    2114086

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Tyrone, Mayo or Monaghan will put us out of our misery. It's hard to understand what's happened with the manner in which we are now playing. It looks like a loss of nerve on behalf of the management who are trying to revert back to a previous system.

One plus from yesterday, it must be the first time that Cavan played very bad and got a win. A 100% improvement is needed next weekend!

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 552 - 24/06/2018 08:34:48    2114104

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The worst Cavan performance I ever saw was against Roscommon in a qualifier game in 2014 in Breffni park, where we scored a total of 0-05 in the entire game.

Yesterday was worse than that. Far worse. The fact that we got a win is merely papering over the huge cracks in this team.

This game was played in mean spirits with tempers flaring on both sides throughout. Never did I think I'd see the day when two teams would be so terrified of losing that they would resort to the disgraceful type of tactics we witnessed. This was anti-football, not Gaelic football, this was a combination of rugby and basketball. Playing the ball backwards and sideways camped deep in your own half, terrified to move the ball forward.

There was a period in the second half when Down were 3 points up, and they played the ball sideways and backwards for at least 5 minutes in Cavan's half of the field. Furthermore, Cavan, whilst chasing the game, sat back and watched them do it, seemingly content to let them mess around. Additionally, Cavan had an extra man at this stage, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The crowd around me, both Down and Cavan fans were absolutely irate.

This team is utterly clueless in the way they are set up, in terms of defending they bring everyone back behind the ball, and still manage to leave big gaps at the back.

Give us Mayo or Tyrone in the next round please, put us out of our misery.

Also, one last thing, we need a new manager.

Cavan_Shambles (Cavan) - Posts: 350 - 24/06/2018 09:16:56    2114112

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Replying To Cavan_Shambles:  "The worst Cavan performance I ever saw was against Roscommon in a qualifier game in 2014 in Breffni park, where we scored a total of 0-05 in the entire game.

Yesterday was worse than that. Far worse. The fact that we got a win is merely papering over the huge cracks in this team.

This game was played in mean spirits with tempers flaring on both sides throughout. Never did I think I'd see the day when two teams would be so terrified of losing that they would resort to the disgraceful type of tactics we witnessed. This was anti-football, not Gaelic football, this was a combination of rugby and basketball. Playing the ball backwards and sideways camped deep in your own half, terrified to move the ball forward.

There was a period in the second half when Down were 3 points up, and they played the ball sideways and backwards for at least 5 minutes in Cavan's half of the field. Furthermore, Cavan, whilst chasing the game, sat back and watched them do it, seemingly content to let them mess around. Additionally, Cavan had an extra man at this stage, I couldn't believe what I was seeing. The crowd around me, both Down and Cavan fans were absolutely irate.

This team is utterly clueless in the way they are set up, in terms of defending they bring everyone back behind the ball, and still manage to leave big gaps at the back.

Give us Mayo or Tyrone in the next round please, put us out of our misery.

Also, one last thing, we need a new manager."
I have to say unfortunately I agree with everything you say. We win by pure luck. Our management of this team have lost the plot. We need the county board to be brave now and end this as we are not going forward with mcgleenan. What I saw yesterday was so amateur it was like watching a junior club. For 14 men behind the ball how many turnerovers on down attacks? I counted 4. Also down got a shot off on every other attack. So what are the 14 men doing? Shocking stuff.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1231 - 24/06/2018 10:11:38    2114130

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The really disappointing thing is the loss of nerve from Management. It's as if the Donegal defeat has totally resulted in the tearing up of the manner of playing, the manner which got us promoted. However, next weekend does offer the possibility of redemption something which the unfortunate Down footballers don't have.

kildare blue (Cavan) - Posts: 552 - 24/06/2018 10:54:57    2114143

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Replying To kildare blue:  "The really disappointing thing is the loss of nerve from Management. It's as if the Donegal defeat has totally resulted in the tearing up of the manner of playing, the manner which got us promoted. However, next weekend does offer the possibility of redemption something which the unfortunate Down footballers don't have."
We were suspect long before Donegal. Down cut us open in league. Roscommon ran through us in final. Now we've gone ultra defensive and no counter attacking and nobody knows their job or turning ball over.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1466 - 24/06/2018 11:07:06    2114148

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How come it takes to now, that some of you guys can only see the damage caused and done to our County Team. This County Board have to be held accountable. We have a poor panel of players going forward. I don't want to talk about coaching and tactics on here. It's all there to be seen for a period of time. It kills me to post this on here. I hope we don't progress any further in this competition, A root and branch approach to our county team and county board should have been taken some time back... This would be a good days work.. You all jumped on the band wagon about previous Managers. What do you's wants???

upandcomingblue (Cavan) - Posts: 37 - 24/06/2018 11:15:42    2114150

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So who do we want for the next round? Mayo or Tyrone will put this team to sleep without much fanfare- might not be the worst thing. Armagh or Kildare would be a contest that could go either way. Nightmare scenario is probably Monaghan in Clones. They could implode or put 15 points on us.

Leitrim and then Laois and we are in the Super8...the delusion continues...

MadgeKing (Cavan) - Posts: 429 - 24/06/2018 11:36:21    2114156

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Replying To MadgeKing:  "So who do we want for the next round? Mayo or Tyrone will put this team to sleep without much fanfare- might not be the worst thing. Armagh or Kildare would be a contest that could go either way. Nightmare scenario is probably Monaghan in Clones. They could implode or put 15 points on us.

Leitrim and then Laois and we are in the Super8...the delusion continues..."
Really do hope it's Monaghan v Cavan

Farney1977 (Monaghan) - Posts: 59 - 24/06/2018 12:12:46    2114164

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Replying To upandcomingblue:  "How come it takes to now, that some of you guys can only see the damage caused and done to our County Team. This County Board have to be held accountable. We have a poor panel of players going forward. I don't want to talk about coaching and tactics on here. It's all there to be seen for a period of time. It kills me to post this on here. I hope we don't progress any further in this competition, A root and branch approach to our county team and county board should have been taken some time back... This would be a good days work.. You all jumped on the band wagon about previous Managers. What do you's wants???"
There is not much chance of changes when the clubs keep accepting whats been presented to them. Yes I agree it's time the full CCB were changed along with the coaching staff. The manager has been talked about plenty times on here but the whole lot of them are a total waste of space. Clear the ship change all the sub committees from the fixtures down to the youth board bring in new faces that have Cavan at heart. If the clubs have no back bone the county will fall apart and it will not be long until we will be like the small counties in football.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 24/06/2018 12:38:24    2114169

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Replying To fredflint:  "I have to say unfortunately I agree with everything you say. We win by pure luck. Our management of this team have lost the plot. We need the county board to be brave now and end this as we are not going forward with mcgleenan. What I saw yesterday was so amateur it was like watching a junior club. For 14 men behind the ball how many turnerovers on down attacks? I counted 4. Also down got a shot off on every other attack. So what are the 14 men doing? Shocking stuff."
Look we are well use to playing with 14 behind the ball . Hyland did it for 5 years. He was the first Cavan Manager EVER to play that kind of crap. So what's new now? Same crap different Manager.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 972 - 24/06/2018 12:49:10    2114171

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Look we are well use to playing with 14 behind the ball . Hyland did it for 5 years. He was the first Cavan Manager EVER to play that kind of crap. So what's new now? Same crap different Manager."
At least they turned ball over and attacked. Playing negative football against Wicklow and a depleted 14 man Down. A new low.

doratheexplorer (Cavan) - Posts: 1466 - 24/06/2018 13:10:17    2114176

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Replying To Inaroundehouse:  "Look we are well use to playing with 14 behind the ball . Hyland did it for 5 years. He was the first Cavan Manager EVER to play that kind of crap. So what's new now? Same crap different Manager."
Difference is Hyland defence actually worked defensively. Yesterday we conceded 15 points against a very poor team

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1231 - 24/06/2018 13:19:15    2114179

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I'm sure Matty is a lovely man but it's clear now he needs to be moved on after next weekend's defeat.

I actually don't even think yesterday was a personnel problem but just a complete systems failure. Bodies back for the sake of them being back, not actually doing anything. Zero intensity whatsoever, I'm struggling to recall a single clean Cavan turnover, down were out in front every time.

Maybe Jason Reilly and finbar Reilly could give us some bit of structure and shape for next year? Never been so deflated leaving a Cavan win.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 24/06/2018 13:40:15    2114184

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Surely the county board and clubs will act to end this charade.
If the board does not act it will be rembered for the destruction of football in Cavan. It is that bad. Wake up before it's too late. Another year of this and it will take ten years to recover.
No wonder the kids in Cavan are all in soccer and rugby jerseys.

Cavan team, Cavan County player ? What's that?

shannon414 (Cavan) - Posts: 224 - 24/06/2018 15:50:11    2114227

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "I'm sure Matty is a lovely man but it's clear now he needs to be moved on after next weekend's defeat.

I actually don't even think yesterday was a personnel problem but just a complete systems failure. Bodies back for the sake of them being back, not actually doing anything. Zero intensity whatsoever, I'm struggling to recall a single clean Cavan turnover, down were out in front every time.

Maybe Jason Reilly and finbar Reilly could give us some bit of structure and shape for next year? Never been so deflated leaving a Cavan win."
I take it you are joking Finbar Reilly was there did nothing Jason without chesty would be no good. Winning a County final with Cavan Gaels is like Dublin playing Laois get Jason to manage Belturbet and win something with them. Look Padraig Dolan is far more knowledgable and the former senior manager was no good once the late Joe McCarthy got sick and sadly died. He never got the recognition he deserved

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4496 - 24/06/2018 17:33:53    2114256

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Replying To The Quiet Man:  "I take it you are joking Finbar Reilly was there did nothing Jason without chesty would be no good. Winning a County final with Cavan Gaels is like Dublin playing Laois get Jason to manage Belturbet and win something with them. Look Padraig Dolan is far more knowledgable and the former senior manager was no good once the late Joe McCarthy got sick and sadly died. He never got the recognition he deserved"
Finbar Reilly walked because he wasn't being listened to I believe. He's been a key figure in St Pat's incredible rejuvenation and also did a good job with lacken in 2016 when they won the league, so he's clearly no mug.

GallantJohnJoe (Cavan) - Posts: 290 - 24/06/2018 17:48:04    2114266

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Replying To GallantJohnJoe:  "I'm sure Matty is a lovely man but it's clear now he needs to be moved on after next weekend's defeat.

I actually don't even think yesterday was a personnel problem but just a complete systems failure. Bodies back for the sake of them being back, not actually doing anything. Zero intensity whatsoever, I'm struggling to recall a single clean Cavan turnover, down were out in front every time.

Maybe Jason Reilly and finbar Reilly could give us some bit of structure and shape for next year? Never been so deflated leaving a Cavan win."
Great text. Sums it up.

Deflation on a victory, because its only a matter of time before the luck runs out.

And a need for structure and shape, because there's more to 13-behind-the-ball than running back closest to the guy you think will bail you out.

delaad (Cavan) - Posts: 8 - 24/06/2018 19:55:56    2114314

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