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Replying To Joebe:  "I had a birds eye view of the melee at the end of the game and while it was not pretty to see at the end of the day it was harmless.
It was obvious Gearold and one of the Down players were mouthing to each other and at the end of the game it got out of hand when at least 3 other Down players got around home and were pulling and dragging him around. It's important to point out that no punches are kicks were throwe
Just a pile of pulling and dragging. Dara as captain of the team went in to stand up for his team mate and again apart from pulling and dragging no punches were thrown by anyone as a lot more joined the fracas.
A possible fine to both county boards should be all that happens with a slap on the wrist and a warning about their future behaviour."
I suggest you look at RTE coverage of the melee and you'll find the facts speak otherwise !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 26/06/2018 19:47:01    2115575

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I know what I seen and I stand by what I said earlier. Alot of pulling and dragging but no fisticuffs. I think Tomas O'Shea and Ciaran Whelan are way out of line to say Cavan were the instigators of the melee. How did they come to that conclusion As pundits they should stick to punditry and not make statements off the cuff where they dont know the full facts and I am surprised that the Gaa or indeed the Cavan County board have not taken issue with same.
It is also noteworthy that the contributor to this forum that disagreed with my take on the proceedings the other night was a Monaghan man and one wonders what his motives are ?

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 26/06/2018 22:24:35    2115648

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Replying To Joebe:  "I know what I seen and I stand by what I said earlier. Alot of pulling and dragging but no fisticuffs. I think Tomas O'Shea and Ciaran Whelan are way out of line to say Cavan were the instigators of the melee. How did they come to that conclusion As pundits they should stick to punditry and not make statements off the cuff where they dont know the full facts and I am surprised that the Gaa or indeed the Cavan County board have not taken issue with same.
It is also noteworthy that the contributor to this forum that disagreed with my take on the proceedings the other night was a Monaghan man and one wonders what his motives are ?"
GMac was the instigator and yes there were punches thrown

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5280 - 26/06/2018 22:42:28    2115656

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Replying To Joebe:  "I know what I seen and I stand by what I said earlier. Alot of pulling and dragging but no fisticuffs. I think Tomas O'Shea and Ciaran Whelan are way out of line to say Cavan were the instigators of the melee. How did they come to that conclusion As pundits they should stick to punditry and not make statements off the cuff where they dont know the full facts and I am surprised that the Gaa or indeed the Cavan County board have not taken issue with same.
It is also noteworthy that the contributor to this forum that disagreed with my take on the proceedings the other night was a Monaghan man and one wonders what his motives are ?"
That's right shoot the messenger....look at it on RTE player...plain & simple it's there to see !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 26/06/2018 22:42:45    2115657

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Replying To Joebe:  "I had a birds eye view of the melee at the end of the game and while it was not pretty to see at the end of the day it was harmless.
It was obvious Gearold and one of the Down players were mouthing to each other and at the end of the game it got out of hand when at least 3 other Down players got around home and were pulling and dragging him around. It's important to point out that no punches are kicks were throwe
Just a pile of pulling and dragging. Dara as captain of the team went in to stand up for his team mate and again apart from pulling and dragging no punches were thrown by anyone as a lot more joined the fracas.
A possible fine to both county boards should be all that happens with a slap on the wrist and a warning about their future behaviour."
Strange joebe my take on it there was plenty punches thrown one man got a ferocious tackle from behind from one of the people sent off who could have done serious damage to the lad. Two Cavan players got their marching orders and at least one other as well who started it all off by mimicking at the Down player who had just missed a score. After the Cavan player that started the trouble scored the point at the other end gave this lad some dirty shoulder. A few others could be named as well. I hope the CCB don't appeal this for they will be lucky if they don't get a hefty fine.

The Quiet Man (Cavan) - Posts: 4533 - 26/06/2018 23:32:26    2115672

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Replying To Reformation:  "All the pitch talk is detracting from the bigger issues at hand. I wonder if Cavan have appealed the 2 red cards? I think it is definitely a risk worth taking and if we are unsuccessful and they extend the bans then so be it! Whatever small chance we have of getting something out of the Tyrone game, we will have none without those 2 men.

Its hard to look at Tyrone and find anything to target. Meath had them more or less beaten which gives some hope but that was a really off day for Tyrone and I cannot see them being that poor again. I have never seen them so wasteful with the ball. Meath played reasonably direct and had a lot of runners coming through and Tyrone werent able to handle them. Cian O'Sullivan put in a big shift and is the talisman that Gearoid is for us so we would need something similar. They key for us is to concentrate on scoring and make sure we are in the game at half time. In recent years, we have been trailing teams by 3-4 points going into the second half and we cannot offer Tyrone a lead.

I made the point about the amount of subs he is making and the fact that we are ending games with our reserves on the pitch. I understand that there needs to be rotation and to allow for form but we have seen that he has made strange changes when players are going well. What we need is a good performance from the team and to have that, we need to leave things as they are when they are going well. The desire to tweak things all the time is killing us in many cases.

If I look back to the Ulster Final in 97 (yes I'm going there), I don't remember more than 3 subs that day. In fact, that was the norm. What has changes so dramatically?

We actually can win this. The league shows that we have a level which is a top division 2 team. So on our day we can match Tyrone. But we need to stop treating the team as an experiment, find the best 15 to start on Sunday and get them prepared to play for 70 minutes each. There will be changes but I worry that lads who make an error early on are already looking at the line waiting to go off. We need to play with a bit more trust and freedom."
times have changed since '97. Players are doing a lot more running now during games. you need to use all your subs. I think you were only allowed 3 in '97 anyway (not aure shen it changed to 6). But I take your point about some of the mid-game changes made recently. There have been a few bizzare ones alright. Who knows what goes on in the background, perhaps if a player disobeys the orders , regardless if he is playing well, he gets subbed. i seen it with Conor Madden a few times and it has hapened to Caoimhin recently too. Perhaps they didn't obey orders. you seen Mickey Harte doing it with Ronan O' Neill. brought him on and then took him off. I know if that happened me I would walk .

s goldrick (Cavan) - Posts: 5280 - 26/06/2018 23:49:34    2115678

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in all this chat about the manager etc. one thing gets overlooked, our county board! look back through the series of managerial appointments sicne McHugh, the only one solitary appointment we got right in the last 25 years! Which man who managed Cavan has gone on to a bigger job, or been sought out by other bigger teams afterwards? None. Not one has bettered their reputation, cavan is a graveyard for managers. Hyland would do a job somewhere else but he somewhat fluffed his lines too when progress was there to be made with a great crop of players.
If the county board just pulls names out of thin air to plug the holes when it comes to appointments is it any wonder we are all at sea? Where is the strategy planning, the big picture view? It's just management from day to day hopeless stuff and ould backswoodsmen in there with no vision at all. When matty gets the elbow after tyrone skewer us in front of a national audience, we'll get more of the same just watch!

RighteousMelody (Cavan) - Posts: 18 - 26/06/2018 23:58:32    2115681

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "That's right shoot the messenger....look at it on RTE player...plain & simple it's there to see !"
Replying to joebe

Strange joebe my take on it there was plenty punches thrown one man got a ferocious tackle from behind right into the center of his back from one of the people sent off. Two Cavan players got their marching orders and at least one other as well who started it all off by Sledging the Down player who had just missed a score. After the Cavan player that started the trouble scored the point at the other end gave this lad some dirty shoulder on his way out. When our game has gone to this low level standard the finger points at management for I guarantee you to a man they will back what went on after the match or say they did not see it the easy way out.

mowbar (Cavan) - Posts: 452 - 27/06/2018 02:26:37    2115695

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Replying To Shelbourne:  "That's right shoot the messenger....look at it on RTE player...plain & simple it's there to see !"
Don't be too obsessed with Cavan we've done it and will do it again
You won't

Setantawatchl (Cavan) - Posts: 127 - 27/06/2018 03:02:50    2115697

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strike or attempt to strike is a red card offence and neither of our red cards should be quashed.

It's time to send the message that it's not acceptable.

Striking or attempt to strike should carry a min of 3 match ban and get it out of our game. If it happened in a pub or on the street it would be a criminal offence, so why is it acceptable on the field of play ?

StirringIt (Cavan) - Posts: 374 - 27/06/2018 10:16:10    2115757

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Replying To RighteousMelody:  "in all this chat about the manager etc. one thing gets overlooked, our county board! look back through the series of managerial appointments sicne McHugh, the only one solitary appointment we got right in the last 25 years! Which man who managed Cavan has gone on to a bigger job, or been sought out by other bigger teams afterwards? None. Not one has bettered their reputation, cavan is a graveyard for managers. Hyland would do a job somewhere else but he somewhat fluffed his lines too when progress was there to be made with a great crop of players.
If the county board just pulls names out of thin air to plug the holes when it comes to appointments is it any wonder we are all at sea? Where is the strategy planning, the big picture view? It's just management from day to day hopeless stuff and ould backswoodsmen in there with no vision at all. When matty gets the elbow after tyrone skewer us in front of a national audience, we'll get more of the same just watch!"
Eamonn Coleman was a very good manager and all ireland winner
Terry Hyland got us from Div 3 to Div 1 not to mention success at underage and junior.

Also, the county board hasnt been the same people since 1997.

So in summary, you are talking rubbish.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1298 - 27/06/2018 10:25:45    2115764

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Replying To s goldrick:  "GMac was the instigator and yes there were punches thrown"
Gmac was getting abuse all through the second half from the guy he mouthed at. Mcveety shoved him in the back, I cant see from RTE what Moynagh done. There was a Down man who threw 3 or 4 rabbit punches, and there was a Down man who man handled a Cavan official, who was trying to pull lads away....there was a lot of pushing and shoving as well

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 27/06/2018 10:36:14    2115779

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Haveolia looked at RTG player and I still stand by my comments and what I saw. Yes the melee was unsaviours but again I saw a lot of pushing and.shoving and pulling and dragging and in facthe if you watch closely most of the players the. Joined in.were trying to stop it rather than anything else and.again.what Tomas O'Shea said was completely wrong.and out of line.How cold here possibly conclude that Cavan were the instigators when he does not know what had been.going on beforehand. This is not.an attempt to.defend the. Management but the players who have worked damn hard all year and a little home support would be nice here rather than criticising. Players

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 27/06/2018 10:36:48    2115780

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Replying To s goldrick:  "GMac was the instigator and yes there were punches thrown"
Gmac was getting abuse all through the second half from the guy he mouthed at. Mcveety shoved him in the back, I cant see from RTE what Moynagh done. There was a Down man who threw 3 or 4 rabbit punches, and there was a Down man who man handled a Cavan official, who was trying to pull lads away....there was a lot of pushing and shoving as well

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 27/06/2018 10:55:08    2115795

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Replying To Joebe:  "Haveolia looked at RTG player and I still stand by my comments and what I saw. Yes the melee was unsaviours but again I saw a lot of pushing and.shoving and pulling and dragging and in facthe if you watch closely most of the players the. Joined in.were trying to stop it rather than anything else and.again.what Tomas O'Shea said was completely wrong.and out of line.How cold here possibly conclude that Cavan were the instigators when he does not know what had been.going on beforehand. This is not.an attempt to.defend the. Management but the players who have worked damn hard all year and a little home support would be nice here rather than criticising. Players"
I fully agree with you joebe, a bit of pushing and pulling and draging, and g mac might have mouthed at the down player but doesnt most players get mouthed at, if players are banned for this in the middle of championship, its a disgrace, it will soon be a non contact sport.

blueman1903 (Cavan) - Posts: 719 - 27/06/2018 11:20:37    2115817

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Replying To fredflint:  "Eamonn Coleman was a very good manager and all ireland winner
Terry Hyland got us from Div 3 to Div 1 not to mention success at underage and junior.

Also, the county board hasnt been the same people since 1997.

So in summary, you are talking rubbish."
Well how long is the present secretary there?
He has been there for the appointment of at least the last 5 managers.
But was never held accountable when the appointments didn't work.
And he's in a salaried position something that should not be happening.

Inaroundehouse (Cavan) - Posts: 975 - 27/06/2018 11:21:36    2115819

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Just saw that the Kildare game is going ahead in Newbridge on Saturday. Fair dues to Kildare for facing down HQ! Where does that leave us now for our game? Brewster again or Clones maybe?

TheBlackDeath (Cavan) - Posts: 39 - 27/06/2018 11:31:13    2115835

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Brewster Park I hope, although we wont be beating Tyrone so it could be anywhere

Cavan-Hero (Cavan) - Posts: 27 - 27/06/2018 12:18:03    2115891

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Replying To Setantawatchl:  "Don't be too obsessed with Cavan we've done it and will do it again
You won't"
I suppose that's one way of avoiding the topic being discussed but I can understand your frustration........however, looks like Cavan might be playing Tyrone nearer home now so not all bad !

Shelbourne (Monaghan) - Posts: 567 - 27/06/2018 12:43:44    2115910

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I'll just finish by saying I have followed these players from they first represented their county at underage level. Gearoid has an exemplary disciplinary record, equally Daragh and Conor. They are not the type that sledge or constantly mouth off. Yes, Gearoid could be seen at the end of the game going over to the Down player and mouthing to him but I would safely say it was not started by him. All McVeety and Moynagh done was go in and stand up for their team mate who was being pulled and dragged by at least 4 Down players. Again pulling and dragging, unsavioury as it may be but nothing more. All of the others joined in to try and stop the whole thing. Think of it, Cavan were just after winning the game. Why would they instigate the whole thing. Down had just lost, their season was over. They had nothing to lose and were probably pretty sore at losing a game they should probably have one.
Again if Kerry were involved in the same scenario, would Tomas O'Shea be as quick to pass comment, Fair enough if it was clear from TV that one player had hIt another then thats a different story but let the CCC investigate this and get both sides.
Regardless of where the game is played I want to see Cavan at full strength and if we get beaten because of negative tactics, blanket defences, puke football then so be it. We move on and try and make the necessary steps to correct it in the off season.
I'll finish by saying I'm a proud Cavan man thatwant to see these young exemplary young men do thwmselves, their family and thwir county justice. COME ON THE BREIFNE BLUES

Joebe (Cavan) - Posts: 69 - 27/06/2018 13:15:54    2115937

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