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Replying To countyman2022: "Is it not up to the clubs then to provide activity means for players not on the school panel that will have no organised training at all for months ahead. And maybe then they will improve to be on school squads." Some clubs are trying to do this. Ourselves included.
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Replying To Viking66: "I'm assuming your lad is in secondary school. How many hours a week does he have training? How many further hours added up over the week does he get the chance to puck a ball around with his mates, breaks, etc? How many games per week is he playing? Will he be hurling/playing football every week? Do the schools continue training/matches in the lent and summer terms? I'm not being smart asking these questions, I genuinely don't know.
What I do know is that there are around 8 lads at GC get the same bus every morning from the stop my daughter gets on. I know some of these since they were in play school, some are good hurlers and footballers, and have been on Wexford underage development squads or been to trials. all play GAA, for one of 2 clubs. Most of them only bring a hurl 1 or 2 days a week. 1 or 2 might bring one 3 or 4 days a week. There doesn't seem to be the same hurling culture down here as there is in ASR, St. Kierans, CBS Kilkenny, St Flannans, etc.
Fact is the top intercounty hurling players in the country mostly still puck a ball at least 5 days of the week. That's one of the reasons they are still top players. We need more lads to follow this example if we are to compete with counties where more young lads do.
If we think that 4 or 5 months of the year playing half hurling and half football with the club at underage is grand, in some cases only training once a week for an hour, and then we rely on the secondary schools to take over the rest of the year, then we seriously need to look at our intercounty expectations and aspirations.
We haven't won an AI Hurling title in any grade in 28 years. It was 28 years before that when we won 2 in the same year. If we don't continue trying to make changes at club level to improve standards, and just decide we cant be bothered doing more while hoping someone else, be it the schools or CB, do more for us, we might never win another AI." This week he had football training with the school at 8am Tuesday morning, open to all first years. Wednesday he was at the hurling blitz in COE, open to all first years, 59 travelled.
Can bring the hurl in every day if he likes, they have steel tables like table tennis and they use hurls to play during break time...........I belive there's a few clubs well represented.........their doing well at underage at the moment.
Would have PE classes also.
Has the winter hobbies also, so training twice a week with a game on the weekend.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 10/10/2024 16:16:27
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Replying To Viking66: "I'm assuming your lad is in secondary school. How many hours a week does he have training? How many further hours added up over the week does he get the chance to puck a ball around with his mates, breaks, etc? How many games per week is he playing? Will he be hurling/playing football every week? Do the schools continue training/matches in the lent and summer terms? I'm not being smart asking these questions, I genuinely don't know.
What I do know is that there are around 8 lads at GC get the same bus every morning from the stop my daughter gets on. I know some of these since they were in play school, some are good hurlers and footballers, and have been on Wexford underage development squads or been to trials. all play GAA, for one of 2 clubs. Most of them only bring a hurl 1 or 2 days a week. 1 or 2 might bring one 3 or 4 days a week. There doesn't seem to be the same hurling culture down here as there is in ASR, St. Kierans, CBS Kilkenny, St Flannans, etc.
Fact is the top intercounty hurling players in the country mostly still puck a ball at least 5 days of the week. That's one of the reasons they are still top players. We need more lads to follow this example if we are to compete with counties where more young lads do.
If we think that 4 or 5 months of the year playing half hurling and half football with the club at underage is grand, in some cases only training once a week for an hour, and then we rely on the secondary schools to take over the rest of the year, then we seriously need to look at our intercounty expectations and aspirations.
We haven't won an AI Hurling title in any grade in 28 years. It was 28 years before that when we won 2 in the same year. If we don't continue trying to make changes at club level to improve standards, and just decide we cant be bothered doing more while hoping someone else, be it the schools or CB, do more for us, we might never win another AI." The lads have to be picking up the hurl themselves.
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Replying To WEX98: "The lads have to be picking up the hurl themselves." Yes they do, sadly that's not a given any more with all the other things young lads can get into.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 10/10/2024 17:00:09
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Replying To WEX98: "This week he had football training with the school at 8am Tuesday morning, open to all first years. Wednesday he was at the hurling blitz in COE, open to all first years, 59 travelled.
Can bring the hurl in every day if he likes, they have steel tables like table tennis and they use hurls to play during break time...........I belive there's a few clubs well represented.........their doing well at underage at the moment.
Would have PE classes also.
Has the winter hobbies also, so training twice a week with a game on the weekend." So no hurling training at all this week?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 10/10/2024 17:01:39
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Replying To Wexfordgaa: "I know this is club but how did the masters get on last night as far I know they are undefeated" They beat Cork. Their game against Tipp is now going to be the AI final, as neither can be caught by anyone else.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 10/10/2024 17:14:24
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Has anyone heard if there has been a decision made on the fethard appeal? I thought I would of been after hearing by now, maybe these things take longer than I expect. The longer it goes on I feel it's more likely that the result won't stand
JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 49 - 10/10/2024 18:09:48
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Replying To Viking66: "I'm not disagreeing with you Pikeman. I think the games programme offered to the clubs by CB and Games Development is excellent, and alot of people put a huge amount of work in behind the scenes, from the Games Development staff to the CCC and fixtures committee, to ensure these largely run very smoothly. An enormous undertaking." Had a look at Limerick U16 hurling fixtures......group of 5 started July 1st, so 4 games.
Qualify for a semi-final (cup or shield). So minimum of 4 games and a maximum of 6 games. No other U16 competitions on the Limerick GAA website.
WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 474 - 10/10/2024 18:37:55
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Replying To countyman2022: "Is it not up to the clubs then to provide activity means for players not on the school panel that will have no organised training at all for months ahead. And maybe then they will improve to be on school squads." Again, you're helping to prove my point.
There needs to be club activity because the notion of "lads get plenty of hurling in school" isn't actually true for many of them.
But without even some sort of a Winter League to take part in, how many clubs are genuinely going to make a concerted and ongoing effort to do something during those months?
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How many coaches are there employed by the County Board? And how many of them are actively involved in secondary school coaching?
Would think that if were to create some sort of competition for each school's "second-string", it would put more pressure on staff to act as coaches so maybe we're better off making more use of the coaches employed by the County Board and asking them to coach the seconday school teams?
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Replying To WEX98: "Had a look at Limerick U16 hurling fixtures......group of 5 started July 1st, so 4 games.
Qualify for a semi-final (cup or shield). So minimum of 4 games and a maximum of 6 games. No other U16 competitions on the Limerick GAA website." Their div 1 u17 hurling League final was Sunday 12th May. Mungret beat Doon by 7 points. Plenty League games leading up to that.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 10/10/2024 22:05:32
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Replying To JT22: "Has anyone heard if there has been a decision made on the fethard appeal? I thought I would of been after hearing by now, maybe these things take longer than I expect. The longer it goes on I feel it's more likely that the result won't stand" Surely the game will have to be replayed at a minimum but I'm struggling to think of a similar precedent. The infamous Meath v Louth Leinster final springs to mind but that was a technical foul for the goal, referee admitted his error afterwards that time but still no replay (not sure Meath have had much luck since!). Can anyone think of a similar situation? If Fethard had refused to play the penalties, they would have been awarded the game afterwards. By going ahead with the penalties it throws a bit of doubt on it but id be stunned if a replay wasn't ordered.
Ignore the scoreboard issues, surely the referee is meant to have an umpire and linesman (perhaps both?) also taking score anyway ? 0-7 to 1-3, like how is it possible to get that extra time score wrong. There's so many mistakes here it's unbelievable.
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Replying To ElGranSenor: "How many coaches are there employed by the County Board? And how many of them are actively involved in secondary school coaching?
Would think that if were to create some sort of competition for each school's "second-string", it would put more pressure on staff to act as coaches so maybe we're better off making more use of the coaches employed by the County Board and asking them to coach the seconday school teams?" There aren't that many coaches employed by CB. Around a dozen most of whom are GPOs also. These mainly work in the clubs and National Schools.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 11/10/2024 06:05:07
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Replying To Timbertony: "Surely the game will have to be replayed at a minimum but I'm struggling to think of a similar precedent. The infamous Meath v Louth Leinster final springs to mind but that was a technical foul for the goal, referee admitted his error afterwards that time but still no replay (not sure Meath have had much luck since!). Can anyone think of a similar situation? If Fethard had refused to play the penalties, they would have been awarded the game afterwards. By going ahead with the penalties it throws a bit of doubt on it but id be stunned if a replay wasn't ordered.
Ignore the scoreboard issues, surely the referee is meant to have an umpire and linesman (perhaps both?) also taking score anyway ? 0-7 to 1-3, like how is it possible to get that extra time score wrong. There's so many mistakes here it's unbelievable." Many Intermediate games don't have proper linesmen.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 11/10/2024 08:01:57
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Replying To Viking66: "Many Intermediate games don't have proper linesmen." That game did. One of the linesmen went in to tell him the scoreboard score was wrong and he ignored this.
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Do young lads not want a break from hurling? Do they not enjoy concentrating on other sports for a couple of months before getting back into it with clubs/development squads etc.. Seems a lot of lads on here are demanding all year hurling at high level for lads. I seen it myself with lads I played with all the way up from underage, The majority of the lads were playing at the highest level with club, county and schools. Not many continued to play after a couple of years after minor, they were fed up with it all. Obviously, some lads enjoy that but I honestly don't think enough do and we don't get enough quality hurlers through to adults that fall off due to pressure and demands put on them so early on.
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Replying To countyman2022: "That game did. One of the linesmen went in to tell him the scoreboard score was wrong and he ignored this." Ah ok. One of that type of referee......
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 11/10/2024 10:02:24
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Replying To btwex90: "Do young lads not want a break from hurling? Do they not enjoy concentrating on other sports for a couple of months before getting back into it with clubs/development squads etc.. Seems a lot of lads on here are demanding all year hurling at high level for lads. I seen it myself with lads I played with all the way up from underage, The majority of the lads were playing at the highest level with club, county and schools. Not many continued to play after a couple of years after minor, they were fed up with it all. Obviously, some lads enjoy that but I honestly don't think enough do and we don't get enough quality hurlers through to adults that fall off due to pressure and demands put on them so early on." It's not a case of forcing young lads to do hurling and/or football all year round. It's a case providing the opportunity for those lads who want to. While around 3/4 of our lads play soccer, a quarter or so don't and don't play rugby either. Additionally I noticed last year when we did 1 night a week over the winter alternating between hurling and football, and most of our lads went on the A.S.H. programme, they all practiced at home more, as the hurls werent put away from October til February. And as regards lads wanting to do it, one night at the end of January this year it was minus 3, and still 14 of the 16 lads turned up for an hour outdoors on the large Astro. One of the lads was sick, and the other had promised he'd go to bingo with his nanny that night. Other than that they'd of all been there.
Maybe what you really mean is that the lads over teams want a break from it. Wouldn't blame them insofar as 4 times a week over the summer is a big commitment, but the A.S.H. is only 8 weeks or so at 1 hour per night, and our own is only around 10 weeks at 1 hour per night, and there's none of the headaches associated with the admin you have to do in the summer, so really it's not a huge time commitment at all compared to the summer, when you have 2 1.5 hour training sessions and 2 matches alot of weeks.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 14123 - 11/10/2024 10:15:12
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Replying To countyman2022: "That game did. One of the linesmen went in to tell him the scoreboard score was wrong and he ignored this." Referee should be suspended if that's the case. Respect is a two way street after all, players and clubs deserve far better.
Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 309 - 11/10/2024 10:51:11
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Replying To btwex90: "Do young lads not want a break from hurling? Do they not enjoy concentrating on other sports for a couple of months before getting back into it with clubs/development squads etc.. Seems a lot of lads on here are demanding all year hurling at high level for lads. I seen it myself with lads I played with all the way up from underage, The majority of the lads were playing at the highest level with club, county and schools. Not many continued to play after a couple of years after minor, they were fed up with it all. Obviously, some lads enjoy that but I honestly don't think enough do and we don't get enough quality hurlers through to adults that fall off due to pressure and demands put on them so early on." A good post above by Viking in response to this one as well.
What I'll say to you is that you must have been in some elite set-up altogether if the "majority" really were playing "at the highest level".
I'm talking here about the sort of "ordinary" lads who enjoy playing with the club at U16 or U18 but who aren't on their school's panel, never mind a county panel. Why are some so eager to get club action wrapped up by end of September and say "ah sure, the soccer is on now for the next six months or more, let them off to that and then we'll get them back to hurling and football when that's over" ?
Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2648 - 11/10/2024 11:09:10
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