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St Anne's are probably the best team I've seen in the championship so far 2 more games left now they will fancy there chances. Rapps very poor game was over after 20 mins. Top 2 teams in each group into the semi finals now. Best for Anne's was Dee O Keefe and Andrew Moran but was a strong team performance. Lay off didn't seem to be an issue for them, but tougher games lie ahead.

WexMurph (Wexford) - Posts: 230 - 13/10/2024 09:47:04    2574475

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "On a serious note will it come to a stage when people just won't take these positions or especially good people. I think that our current co board is probably the most progressive we ever had but I've never seen as much rubbish on social media. Maybe it's just how society is now and everything is an issue for someone. I went to the park yesterday for the two seniors games and the first thing I'd say is that the stadium looks great. Think back 5 years and we had a score board that would not work. I spoke to a lad from St Anne's who told me that the chairman met with MW Hire last week and insisted that a new generator be installed before Friday and it got done. The same lad reckons that the work being done on facilities has been incredible and I think the work been done on hurling development in particular will pay off in the future.

Recruiting county officials will be hard in the future but referees may be worse given what has happened in recent weeks. Justin Heffernan was very good yesterday to be fair. I saw a lad on social media complaining about no linesmen at the minor final yesterday and the same lad was in trouble with officials before. You could not make it up."
Was at an U16 county final this morning in Ferns COE, two games going on side by side. Pitches not marked, no boundary fence, crowd in over the side line, no score board.

Our Club got an official complaint from the Co. board this year because our pitch wasn't marked for a junior match.

Also €8 entry per person, a couple of years ago it was €5 per car into these games. I've no issue paying but I expect the centre of excellence to set the same standards that it expects from the clubs.

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 13/10/2024 12:48:53    2574497

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Replying To WEX98:  "Was at an U16 county final this morning in Ferns COE, two games going on side by side. Pitches not marked, no boundary fence, crowd in over the side line, no score board.

Our Club got an official complaint from the Co. board this year because our pitch wasn't marked for a junior match.

Also €8 entry per person, a couple of years ago it was €5 per car into these games. I've no issue paying but I expect the centre of excellence to set the same standards that it expects from the clubs."
Not to be always negative........well done to the county board on showing the minor hurling final live on YouTube

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 13/10/2024 13:44:35    2574510

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Listening to john mc grath Loughmore/castleainey
First part of the senior double. Can't have anything but respect and admiration for such a magnificent team and club .
Does nt happen often I hope they do the double now.
Praised manager for coming in abd not trying to chxmge the culture of dual club . It ll work if there us a will and players to commit to it .

Asked if they ll celebrate tonight of course why would nt you . If you can't celebrate success why would you play. We ll knuckle down Monday/tues and be ready for commercials next week . Say football manager will get as much either way if the players are in a good place and not dictated too .
Hats off to a man and club who have focus and the will to succeed and commit . No outsider will sway them from one or the other code. Hope they get good run in munster club too . Woukd the give up a county title in either code to get a good run in provincials I d love to know what means more the county double (hopefully ) or dominant in one code. Course there's no guarantee they d be as good if they concentrated on one code . For now it's just great to see a team winning and competing at both .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 289 - 13/10/2024 17:31:37    2574568

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Listening to john mc grath Loughmore/castleainey
First part of the senior double. Can't have anything but respect and admiration for such a magnificent team and club .
Does nt happen often I hope they do the double now.
Praised manager for coming in abd not trying to chxmge the culture of dual club . It ll work if there us a will and players to commit to it .

Asked if they ll celebrate tonight of course why would nt you . If you can't celebrate success why would you play. We ll knuckle down Monday/tues and be ready for commercials next week . Say football manager will get as much either way if the players are in a good place and not dictated too .
Hats off to a man and club who have focus and the will to succeed and commit . No outsider will sway them from one or the other code. Hope they get good run in munster club too . Woukd the give up a county title in either code to get a good run in provincials I d love to know what means more the county double (hopefully ) or dominant in one code. Course there's no guarantee they d be as good if they concentrated on one code . For now it's just great to see a team winning and competing at both .

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 289 - 13/10/2024 19:22:48    2574609

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I heard this evening that Fethard have won their appeal and result of the game has been changed, they will play St James next weekend. I am yet to see anything official but it's from a reliable source so I would imagine it's true

JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 46 - 13/10/2024 22:21:22    2574665

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Replying To JT22:  "I heard this evening that Fethard have won their appeal and result of the game has been changed, they will play St James next weekend. I am yet to see anything official but it's from a reliable source so I would imagine it's true"
I've heard same. I'll be surprised if Bunclody don't appeal to Leinster. Referee adamant throughout that he had score correct so must have been down to video evidence?

Fallout2 (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 13/10/2024 23:01:21    2574679

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Replying To JT22:  "I heard this evening that Fethard have won their appeal and result of the game has been changed, they will play St James next weekend. I am yet to see anything official but it's from a reliable source so I would imagine it's true"
Heard that too

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 14/10/2024 06:31:24    2574688

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Replying To JT22:  "I heard this evening that Fethard have won their appeal and result of the game has been changed, they will play St James next weekend. I am yet to see anything official but it's from a reliable source so I would imagine it's true"
Your source is correct fethard won the appeal and play semi final this Saturday..

Ryanworld (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 14/10/2024 07:04:40    2574690

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Replying To Fallout2:  "I've heard same. I'll be surprised if Bunclody don't appeal to Leinster. Referee adamant throughout that he had score correct so must have been down to video evidence?"
The score is the score. Both sides will have the game videoed. Not sure what the grounds for an appeal to Leinster would be if Fethard did in fact win by one.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13556 - 14/10/2024 08:05:48    2574697

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Replying To WexMurph:  "St Anne's are probably the best team I've seen in the championship so far 2 more games left now they will fancy there chances. Rapps very poor game was over after 20 mins. Top 2 teams in each group into the semi finals now. Best for Anne's was Dee O Keefe and Andrew Moran but was a strong team performance. Lay off didn't seem to be an issue for them, but tougher games lie ahead."
I agree. Everyone talking about gorey and the Martin's.

Anne's quietly going about their business.

Still devastated over the harriers but should have closed the game out regardless of the chin debacle.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3072 - 14/10/2024 08:43:51    2574703

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Replying To WEX98:  "Not to be always negative........well done to the county board on showing the minor hurling final live on YouTube"
Anyone at the minor hurling game yesterday? - heard it was the best game in the park all year.

bystanderbill (Wexford) - Posts: 40 - 14/10/2024 09:21:36    2574710

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Replying To Fallout2:  "I've heard same. I'll be surprised if Bunclody don't appeal to Leinster. Referee adamant throughout that he had score correct so must have been down to video evidence?"
Surely the fairest thing is a replay?

Question: what's the difference between a referee marking down the incorrect score and an umpire waving an legitimate point wide?

We're have lots of case's of umpires getting it wrong but there's never grounds for an appeal, does this ruling now change that?

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 14/10/2024 09:55:41    2574718

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Replying To WEX98:  "Surely the fairest thing is a replay?

Question: what's the difference between a referee marking down the incorrect score and an umpire waving an legitimate point wide?

We're have lots of case's of umpires getting it wrong but there's never grounds for an appeal, does this ruling now change that?"
If Fethard won the game I don't see how Bunclody can appeal the result.

You can have many scenarios throughout the game where a decision is of a referee/umpire/linesman is up for debate and people can debate whether this has an impact on the result of the game. I wasn't at the game but from what I hear this is fairly clear cut, in ET Fethard got 7 points where the umpire clearly indicated it was a score. I think the only way Bunclody would have a valid appeal is if it wasn't clear that they outscored by a point in ET, other than that's it's one person's opinion against another. I think giving Fethard the game is the correct decision.

Apart from getting the final score wrong, I think the ref in general had abit of a nightmare on the day(which doesn't surprise me..). I don't think it was an overly dirty game and over 30 frees were scored

JT22 (Wexford) - Posts: 46 - 14/10/2024 10:10:33    2574724

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Replying To WEX98:  "Surely the fairest thing is a replay?

Question: what's the difference between a referee marking down the incorrect score and an umpire waving an legitimate point wide?

We're have lots of case's of umpires getting it wrong but there's never grounds for an appeal, does this ruling now change that?"
I'll try answer your question.

To overturn a referee's scoreline, the video evidence has to be absolutely 100% clearcut. Haven't seen the video of extra time in Fethard v Bunclody myself, but am guessing it's relatively straightforward to count seven white flags being raised rather than six.

Would be far more difficult to have absolutely clearcut evidence that the umpires/referee got a call wrong by either waving a legitimate score wide, or by awarding a point for a shot that went narrowly wide. The video would probably be a wide angle shot, from the sideline or the back of the stand. It might not even have the flight of the ball itself as it passes the posts. You'd be talking Hawkeye technology to try get it right, and we all know there's been a few cases where even Hawkeye didn't get it right.

As for "fairest" - "fair" is a subjective term. If the evidence is absolutely clearcut that Fethard actually won the game, would it be fair on them to have to play it again?

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2535 - 14/10/2024 10:35:04    2574733

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Replying To bystanderbill:  "Anyone at the minor hurling game yesterday? - heard it was the best game in the park all year."
Check it out here

https://www.youtube.com/live/tDIM7tH1kcE?si=trKGG--sVvCMC6nl

WEX98 (Wexford) - Posts: 445 - 14/10/2024 10:37:17    2574734

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Replying To Viking66:  "The score is the score. Both sides will have the game videoed. Not sure what the grounds for an appeal to Leinster would be if Fethard did in fact win by one."
Main argument they'd have is that referee clarified score to them at half time of extra time which could affect how they played. Either way I can't see it being the end of it.

Fallout2 (Wexford) - Posts: 6 - 14/10/2024 10:40:18    2574737

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Can see this rumbling on for a while.

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1416 - 14/10/2024 10:44:18    2574740

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Replying To Fallout2:  "Main argument they'd have is that referee clarified score to them at half time of extra time which could affect how they played. Either way I can't see it being the end of it."
I heard that both teams were encouraged to replay the game but decided to go through with the objections. Makes it messy now and almost certain that championship won't be played in time for Leinster which is tough on Rathnure who look like they could be competitive there.

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 181 - 14/10/2024 10:47:15    2574741

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Replying To WEX98:  "Surely the fairest thing is a replay?

Question: what's the difference between a referee marking down the incorrect score and an umpire waving an legitimate point wide?

We're have lots of case's of umpires getting it wrong but there's never grounds for an appeal, does this ruling now change that?"
Referee ultimately responsible for keeping score, not umpire. You would have sympathy for anyone making a genuine mistake but when he ignored the protests of his own lineman (as stated on here), then sympathy will be in very short supply. Not sure why Bunclody went along with it either, sure they must have known they were beaten too.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 271 - 14/10/2024 11:33:59    2574756

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