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Should only be allowed 20 seconds to take a free/goal kick/sideline. Does anyone know if there's any statistics on how long the ball is actually in play in footballer?
MLR (Carlow) - Posts: 77 - 15/06/2024 16:15:54
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Looking at score line in matches yesterday some great scoring I wonder what have being the score in matches of giving 2 points from 40 yards snd 4 for goals nothing wrong with the game get rid inside nark and start games with kicouts and stop messing with the rules or be no one playing or referee
Kickitout (Galway) - Posts: 953 - 16/06/2024 12:15:49
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Mayo v Dublin had a lot of what wmis wrong with GAA at the minute, while having a lot of the good also.
Wrongs
1. Short kick outs - Mayo just kicked the ball outside the D and went from there- they should all go past the 45
2. Blanket defense - both teams played with 15 behind the ball in defence, resulting in long periods of handpassing the ball aroubd the 45
3. The mark - both from kick outs and advanced mark - short kicks into the chest of an unmarked player rewarded with a free
4. Hand passed point - defender does really well to tie up an attacker only for a borderline hand pass over the bar to rob him of his good work
Rights
1. Lots of tactical variations with forward play while trying to open up scoring chances
2. Exceptional score creation and execution
3. Lots of man v man marking
It occurred to me that the below would greatly improve that match
1. Mark - weather by kick out or a forward kick - it needs to travel 30m and should only be for an overhead catch when in proximity of a marking player. Forward mark should only be given if kicked into the large square and caught overhead.
2. Hand passed points should be banned,
3. Both teams should have to keep three players up the opposite side of the pitch from where the attack is. Both teams yesterday had no one to kick it too when they won a turnover
4. Keepers need to be confined to inside their own 21.
5. 4 points for a goal and 2 for a long range point reduce all the effort to get to the top of the D.
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 18/06/2024 04:39:59
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Simple solution to the actual problem - handpassing is boring to watch.
So, as I've said often before. Disallow the forward handpass. Job done. Game transformed for the better. None of this p1ssing around with silly changes HOPING that the number of handpasses get reduced. Just deal with it directly.
Solo_Run (Leitrim) - Posts: 217 - 18/06/2024 17:00:51
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Replying To Kickitout: "Looking at score line in matches yesterday some great scoring I wonder what have being the score in matches of giving 2 points from 40 yards snd 4 for goals nothing wrong with the game get rid inside nark and start games with kicouts and stop messing with the rules or be no one playing or referee" Agree with you 100%…. They are going to completely ruin the game if more of these changes come in… The sleep enducer ( Fitzmaurice ) on Sunday talking about a sand box game… what nonsense… Just leave the game alone except… get rid of the forward mark.. get rid of the black card and restrict the goalkeepers from leaving their own 21… I'm sick of them trudging up the field to take 45's and taking an unearthly amount of time to do so….!!!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 18/06/2024 22:33:48
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Replying To Solo_Run: "Simple solution to the actual problem - handpassing is boring to watch.
So, as I've said often before. Disallow the forward handpass. Job done. Game transformed for the better. None of this p1ssing around with silly changes HOPING that the number of handpasses get reduced. Just deal with it directly." The problem with that rule is it would have an unintended consequence.of discouraging a player from taking on his man
tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1197 - 18/06/2024 22:45:12
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Mayo v Dublin had a lot of what wmis wrong with GAA at the minute, while having a lot of the good also.
Wrongs
1. Short kick outs - Mayo just kicked the ball outside the D and went from there- they should all go past the 45
2. Blanket defense - both teams played with 15 behind the ball in defence, resulting in long periods of handpassing the ball aroubd the 45
3. The mark - both from kick outs and advanced mark - short kicks into the chest of an unmarked player rewarded with a free
4. Hand passed point - defender does really well to tie up an attacker only for a borderline hand pass over the bar to rob him of his good work
Rights
1. Lots of tactical variations with forward play while trying to open up scoring chances
2. Exceptional score creation and execution
3. Lots of man v man marking
It occurred to me that the below would greatly improve that match
1. Mark - weather by kick out or a forward kick - it needs to travel 30m and should only be for an overhead catch when in proximity of a marking player. Forward mark should only be given if kicked into the large square and caught overhead.
2. Hand passed points should be banned,
3. Both teams should have to keep three players up the opposite side of the pitch from where the attack is. Both teams yesterday had no one to kick it too when they won a turnover
4. Keepers need to be confined to inside their own 21.
5. 4 points for a goal and 2 for a long range point reduce all the effort to get to the top of the D." If the kick out has to pass the 45 then I think the kick out mark can stay as it is. Teams shouldn't be giving the space for a low catch. Likewise if you changed the forward mark to inside the 21.
I'm looking forward to seeing what keeping 3 up will do to the blanket - but I'd have loved to see a shot clock trialled - perfect place to try this would have been in Jim's Sandbox!
As for the hand passed point - I don't think that's such a bad thing. To score it you need to have gotten close enough to goal to score. The defender's good work is rewarded by not allowing goal chance.
I think most of us would agree that the problem in football is the blanket defence - anything that doesn't try and address that is just tinkering around the edges.
brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 356 - 19/06/2024 08:57:25
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The obsession in this country with "change" just for the sake of it is pathetic to behold.
I would have thought that a chap like Eamonn Fitz who is properly grounded in our culture and tradition might have brought some sense to bear. It seems not.
BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3120 - 19/06/2024 08:59:39
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "The obsession in this country with "change" just for the sake of it is pathetic to behold.
I would have thought that a chap like Eamonn Fitz who is properly grounded in our culture and tradition might have brought some sense to bear. It seems not." Trying to make football more attractive is against "our culture and tradition"
As they say WTF?????
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1955 - 19/06/2024 11:02:03
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An Offaly footballer who played in a trial game at the weekend has spoken positively of the changes being trialled.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8286 - 19/06/2024 12:37:00
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Replying To legendzxix: "An Offaly footballer who played in a trial game at the weekend has spoken positively of the changes being trialled." Funny that…as it was the Offaly players who threw their hats at the Taltainn Cup this year and exited as fast as they could…. As if they had any chance in any other football competition…. I'd take what he said with a large grain of salt… probably reading from script to justify Gavin and co playing along in their sandbox….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 19/06/2024 13:17:45
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Replying To ForeverBlue2: "Funny that…as it was the Offaly players who threw their hats at the Taltainn Cup this year and exited as fast as they could…. As if they had any chance in any other football competition…. I'd take what he said with a large grain of salt… probably reading from script to justify Gavin and co playing along in their sandbox…." He should have just stayed at home typing his opinions on Hoganstand.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 19/06/2024 13:47:07
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Replying To brianb: "If the kick out has to pass the 45 then I think the kick out mark can stay as it is. Teams shouldn't be giving the space for a low catch. Likewise if you changed the forward mark to inside the 21.
I'm looking forward to seeing what keeping 3 up will do to the blanket - but I'd have loved to see a shot clock trialled - perfect place to try this would have been in Jim's Sandbox!
As for the hand passed point - I don't think that's such a bad thing. To score it you need to have gotten close enough to goal to score. The defender's good work is rewarded by not allowing goal chance.
I think most of us would agree that the problem in football is the blanket defence - anything that doesn't try and address that is just tinkering around the edges." My understanding is that Sandbox games will try out different rules, so I imagine a shot clock will be tested somewhere along the line.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2891 - 19/06/2024 14:19:14
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Replying To Pikeman96: "I can see all sorts of practical problems with some of those proposals if the idea is that they'd apply at all levels of the game.
The problems with a 'shot clock' rule are surely self-evident. Outside of Croke Park and maybe a few other major venues capable of having a large countdown display on the scoreboard, how would players, managers and spectators even know if the team had already had possession for just 23 seconds and therefore had time for another pass or twp, or if they'd already had it for 28 seconds and therefore had to shoot almost immediately?
Or the idea for a 40-metre arc, that would have to be fairly well visible from a distance away.
I could see it working okay in county grounds. But what about a club ground where the lines are faded because poor oul' Paddy who marks the pitch couldn't do it that week for some reason? And there's a shot from somewhere near the arc but the referee is a bit of a distance away and the arc is too faded for him to be sure about where the shot was actually from?
The proposed changes are all well-intentioned but I just think many of them are not very practical." If the lines are that faded then similarly the ref won't be able to see if a foul is inside or outside the square, or whether the ball is or isn't over one of the lines. In other words, that's not an arc issue, it's a general issue with the pitch not being lined well enough and the game shouldn't be going ahead there.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1126 - 19/06/2024 14:24:58
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Replying To BarneyGrant: "The obsession in this country with "change" just for the sake of it is pathetic to behold.
I would have thought that a chap like Eamonn Fitz who is properly grounded in our culture and tradition might have brought some sense to bear. It seems not." And having a team that is professional in all but name like Dublin isn't going against the culture and tradition of the GAA?
eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 274 - 19/06/2024 14:27:57
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Replying To Gillo: "If keeping the forward mark the defender should be allowed to stand where the mark is made like in Australian rules too many players stealing metres to make a better angle for themselves" Interesting. Maybe to give the player winning the mark a chance,
1) don't allow opponents within a certain distance of him to stand at the mark, but other players who were far enough away can approach. He'd have to be quick though.
Or:
2) the player has a certain amount of time (5 seconds maybe?) before any opponent can approach the mark, but before then he can do as he pleases.
Tacaí Liatroma (Leitrim) - Posts: 1126 - 19/06/2024 14:28:49
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Replying To GreenandRed: "He should have just stayed at home typing his opinions on Hoganstand." They would be of the same value…..!!
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 19/06/2024 16:57:58
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Replying To legendzxix: "An Offaly footballer who played in a trial game at the weekend has spoken positively of the changes being trialled." Any more word on the sand box games?
How many of these games are being played and how many have been played so far?.
When are they due to finish?
bdbuddah (Meath) - Posts: 1400 - 27/06/2024 19:21:04
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Replying To eslinchickenmaryland: "Or they could just do something outright with the handpassing and stop messing around the edges. No backward handpassing would cut out a lot of the nonsense being seen at the minute" Actually, there has been a radical proposal - not from Jim Gavin's gang - that all handpasses must be BACKWARDS, as in rugby.
At first this seems crazy but if you think about it is has merit. It would mean that continuous handpassing would lead a team back to their own goal i.e. not very productive.
So, to make forward progress a team would have to kick the ball - which is what we are trying to achieve.
Don't dismiss it out of hand - think about it.
PS1: I'm very surprised that posters are not more agitated about the handpassing malaise. Who on earth is happy with 3.2 as many bandpasses as kicks?
Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 304 - 27/06/2024 21:37:04
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Replying To Aibrean: "Actually, there has been a radical proposal - not from Jim Gavin's gang - that all handpasses must be BACKWARDS, as in rugby.
At first this seems crazy but if you think about it is has merit. It would mean that continuous handpassing would lead a team back to their own goal i.e. not very productive.
So, to make forward progress a team would have to kick the ball - which is what we are trying to achieve.
Don't dismiss it out of hand - think about it.
PS1: I'm very surprised that posters are not more agitated about the handpassing malaise. Who on earth is happy with 3.2 as many bandpasses as kicks?" This would definitely make it much easier to implement defensive minded systems from a coaching point of view and limit greatly scoring opportunities
sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 795 - 27/06/2024 22:50:46
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