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Wexford Club Hurling Championships 2023

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Replying To alwaysasub:  "Was in at the two intermediate matches tonight. Buffers Alley were completely outclassed for last 10 minutes. They went very defensive and St. James won lads of puc outs in a row. While it took a last second point to win it, they had missed loads of chances before then and should of won by more.

The second game, Blackwater must be kicking themselves, missed too many chances. Taghmon relied on frees to stay in the game in the second game, took their goal chance well while Blackwater missed there's. Probably a poor match for the neutrul. Cathal Doyle took his chances well but seem to be well shackled overall. Mossy Murphy dangerous for Blackwater."
Fair assessment there. The 1st half of the Taghmon Blackwater game was particularly poor. There was a swirling gusty breeze, that was more noticeable out on the pitch that I think didn't help all the players on both sides as regards shooting. Both freetakers missed a couple of frees which would be unusual for Doyle and Lillis. Mossy Murphy looked very strong for Blackwater. I suppose the quality of Stephen O'Gorman and Cathal Doyle up front, coupled with some great defending from the 6 backs is what made the difference for Taghmon in the end. 4 1 point wins this season now!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 14:35:37    2499378

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Replying To beano:  "Thought the Gorey-Rapps game was a poor spectacle but the right winner in the end. Naomh Eanna murdered them early on but completely fluffed 3-4 goal chances. Rapps showed up better after the break but those missed frees were criminal. I think Naomh Eanna are better served with Jack Cullen at wing-back in a sort of Kyle Hayes rampaging role, and felt Mac was well shackled. Jippo the best for Rapps by a distance.

Starting to worry about the standard of our premier competition- the condensed format has unquestionably destroyed the quality."
Only solution to that problem is have smaller groups and less group games then.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 14:38:21    2499379

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Lads, the standard of club hurling for a Liam McCarthy county is shocking at the minute.

I've watched quite a few games across Senior and Inter the last few weeks and the hurling is very very slow and littered with poor first touch, poor striking etc etc.

Not sure what the fix is with this, but I think it is the reason we have a really poor record in Leinster competitions too.

The winners also have to wait a very very long time now to play the Leinster games too.

But a lot of them play football in a few weeks, I think we are starting to see the overall effects of this new club season split.

The outcome is hurling is Wexford is going backwards under it."
If we went back to alternate weeks most of our club players will be playing and training in a completely different sport between their hurling games. How exactly will that improve their hurling, first touch, speed, intensity etc?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 14:42:16    2499381

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Watched the Martin's v crossabeg match and thought it was awful. The standard for a county quarter final was shocking. I've been to or streamed around 10 senior games and have to say the standard across the board is very poor. Think the senior championship reflects where Wexford hurling is at ."
I think it reflects where our Senior championship is at. And reinforces the view that one of the reasons our Senior intercounty team is poor is because of the apparent reluctance to look at players playing in Intermediate and Intermediate A, who have had more success in Leinster than their big name counterparts in the Senior championship.
It's a fact that it's many years since the Intermediate Hurling Champions went straight back down.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 15:00:31    2499384

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Replying To Past hurler:  "I'm going to watch the Kerry hurling final which is live on Tg4 at 3pm today and compare to our senior club hurling at the minute.

The likes of Antrim and Carlow have better senior hurling teams than Wexford."
Antrim always have had. That's why they have a better record in the All Ireland club championship than we have.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 15:01:28    2499385

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Replying To WexMurph:  "All four teams from group A into the semis. Great win for Oylegate deserving winners and could have won by more butchered at least two goal chances. Casey was excellent.St annes really took control in extra time liam of got two goals and Dee o Keefe looked back to his best and will fancy their chances now. Hard to gauge martins game crossabeg battled hard but lacked quality Rory o Connor was outstanding some of his scores were unreal. Gorey had a good win but will be hoping no to fall flat like they did last year. McDonald hasn't fired at all this year and will need more from him if they are to progress"
He hasn't really been outstanding for a while now. Not sure why.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 15:03:57    2499386

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Replying To wexfordwin:  "The split season doesn't seem to be a problem for Ballygunner producing good hurlers. It's too easy to use that as an excuse. Good hurlers are developed through a clubs underage section and that is where the issue lies.

Of the hurlers outside this years panel who have impressed I'd suggest Joe Barrett, Diarmuid O Leary Eoin Ryan, Justin Moran, Mike Kelly and Sèamus Casey as those who are playing well. All of them have been involved before or at underage and would need alot of work. The other standouts at senior level are all the well known names."
Who is standing out in Intermediate, Intermediate A, and Junior?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 15:04:59    2499387

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Wexford clubs voted for this structure, as was discussed a few pages back.
Something has to give if Wexford is to continue with clubs as 100% dual and competing in Leinster.
It is ridiculous that teams are going week on week and if the loser is the standard of hurling, then that is not a good thing for hurling in the county.
Ballygunner only need to start putting in effort once the Waterford championship is over, they get no big test in that championship.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1635 - 07/08/2023 16:02:54    2499395

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Good hurlers are developed through hurling all the time.

A break between the groups and the knockout would help the quality.

It's too smash and grab at the moment.

The reason we're poor in leinster now is because they'll be months without competitive hurling."
wow yea u must be right, wexford teams did SO well before the split season, we lost count of the leinster and all irelands we won in hurling and football!!! typical

Stmunnsriver (Wexford) - Posts: 3126 - 07/08/2023 17:56:58    2499403

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Good hurlers are developed through hurling all the time.

A break between the groups and the knockout would help the quality.

It's too smash and grab at the moment.

The reason we're poor in leinster now is because they'll be months without competitive hurling."
Is being poor in the Leinster club championship all that important?

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 603 - 07/08/2023 18:03:37    2499404

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Good hurlers are developed through hurling all the time.

A break between the groups and the knockout would help the quality.

It's too smash and grab at the moment.

The reason we're poor in leinster now is because they'll be months without competitive hurling."
Again, the long gap doesn't stop Ballygunner!! I don't think the split season is the best format but it's not the cause of poor hurlers. Waterford have a split season with four groups of 3. As someone pointed out here recently, what our CLUBS have pushed for isn't workable and if any of the semi finals end in a draw then it'll be chaos!

wexfordwin (Wexford) - Posts: 206 - 07/08/2023 18:09:46    2499405

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I think people are a lot quicker to criticise referees than they are to praise them and there were some on here querying giving QFs to rookie refs but I have to say that the referee for the Anne's-Shels game (Holohan?) was terrific. Never too quick to blow the whistle, making sure to consult his umpires before a big decision, and never trying to make himself the centre of attention."
Agree 100% he dine a good job

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 707 - 07/08/2023 18:33:41    2499407

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "Good hurlers are developed through hurling all the time.

A break between the groups and the knockout would help the quality.

It's too smash and grab at the moment.

The reason we're poor in leinster now is because they'll be months without competitive hurling."
Players selected for intercounty, underage or Senior, or play Fitzgibbon are playing hurling near enough all year round. For everyone else the Leagues have to be given more priority. Maybe clubs could be incentivised by prizes being offered to division winners, and penalised for not fielding at all, either by themselves or combined with other clubs if they don't have the numbers.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 19:37:54    2499414

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Replying To ExiledInWex:  "Wexford clubs voted for this structure, as was discussed a few pages back.
Something has to give if Wexford is to continue with clubs as 100% dual and competing in Leinster.
It is ridiculous that teams are going week on week and if the loser is the standard of hurling, then that is not a good thing for hurling in the county.
Ballygunner only need to start putting in effort once the Waterford championship is over, they get no big test in that championship."
If they didn't put the effort in to their championship they likely wouldn't still be Waterford champions. Plenty of other clubs gunning for them!!!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 20:00:13    2499421

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "wow yea u must be right, wexford teams did SO well before the split season, we lost count of the leinster and all irelands we won in hurling and football!!! typical"
Oulart and rathnure did well for a long time

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 4674 - 07/08/2023 20:01:57    2499422

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Replying To Stmunnsriver:  "wow yea u must be right, wexford teams did SO well before the split season, we lost count of the leinster and all irelands we won in hurling and football!!! typical"
Spot on SMR. Our clubs have largely performed poorly on the National stage since the 60s. Our best 3 teams who have won most of the Wexford club hurling championships in the period when there were Leinster and AI club championships, Rathnure, Buffers Alley and Oulart, have won 1 solitary AI club title in well over 50 years. And less said the better about how we have fared at football.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 07/08/2023 20:04:34    2499423

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Replying To Formertownie:  "Agree 100% he dine a good job"
I've seen this referee before. It's funny that he is mentioned here. He did one of our matches and everyone said how great a job he did. He actually sent off one of our players but came over after the match explained why he had to send him off, shock hands and that was the end of it. Let the game flow aswell for both sides, very impressed.

alwaysasub (Wexford) - Posts: 617 - 07/08/2023 21:05:00    2499432

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Replying To Viking66:  "I think it reflects where our Senior championship is at. And reinforces the view that one of the reasons our Senior intercounty team is poor is because of the apparent reluctance to look at players playing in Intermediate and Intermediate A, who have had more success in Leinster than their big name counterparts in the Senior championship.
It's a fact that it's many years since the Intermediate Hurling Champions went straight back down."
How many times have those Intermediate champions who didn't go straight back down actually go down the year or two before they came back up?? Other than Crossabeg it's basically been yo yo up and down .

Paull (Wexford) - Posts: 296 - 07/08/2023 21:05:19    2499433

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Replying To Viking66:  "Who is standing out in Intermediate, Intermediate A, and Junior?"
Was in Bellfield on Saturday, Eoin Whelan was outstanding. Definitely one to be involved in the county senior setup next year.

Timbertony (Wexford) - Posts: 603 - 07/08/2023 21:42:54    2499439

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Replying To Timbertony:  "Was in Bellfield on Saturday, Eoin Whelan was outstanding. Definitely one to be involved in the county senior setup next year."
Eoin Whelan has been good all year. Still u20 for 2024 though.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20706 - 08/08/2023 09:53:39    2499465

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