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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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At this stage , it is just embarrassing for all Gaels. There are no winners and the win is tarnished, the whole scenario is a complete mess.
Was the kilmacud manager not involved in a similar case with Dunboyne.
I don't like the narrative coming out of RTE - that KC will be hard done by…
A massive PR stunt should be undertaken to fill CP for the possible replay, with all revenues going to a nominated charity

cuchulainn35 (Armagh) - Posts: 1688 - 31/01/2023 13:14:40    2455518

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Think it will be one of the first times that the complete rules of the game have been implemented..I can't see a replay taking place,league has started with glen players already back with Derry..I understand some of crokes players are on holidays including Shane Walsh..I wonder will this be the year where every possible rule in the book is now totally enforced,if it is could make for a very interesting year,and some long drawn out objections and counter objections..

CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2506 - 31/01/2023 13:17:30    2455519

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Ref made an error allowing 45 be taken quickly but Crokes won on the day. This really embarassing stuff from the GAA and also from Glen for trying to win an All Ireland in a boardroom that they lost on the pitch."
Hopefully Crokes make sure they stick to a maximum of 15 players on the pitch for the replay.

greatpoint (USA) - Posts: 436 - 31/01/2023 13:25:28    2455522

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Replying To aidan64:  "What a farce. Embarassing stuff from Glen. Crokes could have had 10 players on the pitch at the end and still won. Just because they had not fully left the pitch a replay is ordered? Crokes should not even show up for this"
'not fully left the pitch'

Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into!

It couldn't be anymore black and white.

GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 926 - 31/01/2023 13:29:55    2455523

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Replying To greatpoint:  "Hopefully Crokes make sure they stick to a maximum of 15 players on the pitch for the replay."
They won't be there :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3510 - 31/01/2023 13:30:03    2455524

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Crokes may not even appeal. Might just say they are not togging out."
I'd say they'll appeal alright but when that's rejected then Glen are All-Ireland Champions I'd imagine.

Great entertainment to be fair.

MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13796 - 31/01/2023 13:34:27    2455527

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Replying To Wally:  "'not fully left the pitch'

Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into!

It couldn't be anymore black and white.

GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago."
There were 16 men on the line? There would have been the same number of people on the line regardless of the extra man for 23 seconds. Anyone claiming that Crokes won because of that is stretching credibility to the limit.

They broke a rule, sanction has been applied. Fair enough, they did break a rule. Now. If they have any cojones they will say, "grand, well we won the match, so if you want to strip us of the title, fire away. We still won."

And that is how it will be recalled in the years to come.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3510 - 31/01/2023 13:34:33    2455528

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Ref made an error allowing 45 be taken quickly but Crokes won on the day. This really embarassing stuff from the GAA and also from Glen for trying to win an All Ireland in a boardroom that they lost on the pitch."
Completly agree with your comment about the referee. This is the GAAs way of putting the blame on the teams. Classic GAA. Wouldn't blame Glen especially since we don't know if they were pushing back or actually want a replay. Disaster of a situation.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 31/01/2023 13:40:07    2455530

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Replying To SimonstownBack:  "Completly agree with your comment about the referee. This is the GAAs way of putting the blame on the teams. Classic GAA. Wouldn't blame Glen especially since we don't know if they were pushing back or actually want a replay. Disaster of a situation."
God no. No fault lies with Glen at all. Impossible position for them too.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3510 - 31/01/2023 13:43:35    2455532

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It's the correct decision. Rules are rules and they must be adhered to. Elements within the GAA and Southern media thought they could just steamroll and bully Glen but that was never going to happen. Dublin media mouthpieces have been cheerleaders for Kilmacud and set a narrative that it was all Glen's fault. These poodles,and lapdogs are an embarrassment. So now that Glen have made their point they should now state they had no intention of replaying the game, congratulate Kilmacud and leave it at that.

Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9817 - 31/01/2023 13:50:21    2455538

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Glen may not even make another All Ireland final. Take Bellaghy for example, they had a great team but never appeared in another final after their loss in 1995. Ballinderry and Lavey won their finals but still never appeared again in a final.
It doesn't bother me what happens, people tend to support a club from their own county but I was actually supporting my neighbours Cargin in the Ulster semi final. I support the Glen players when they are representing my county but there is no need for me to support them when they are representing Maghera.

PattyONeill (Derry) - Posts: 263 - 31/01/2023 13:52:27    2455542

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "
Replying To Wally:  "'not fully left the pitch'

Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into!

It couldn't be anymore black and white.

GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago."
There were 16 men on the line? There would have been the same number of people on the line regardless of the extra man for 23 seconds. Anyone claiming that Crokes won because of that is stretching credibility to the limit.

They broke a rule, sanction has been applied. Fair enough, they did break a rule. Now. If they have any cojones they will say, "grand, well we won the match, so if you want to strip us of the title, fire away. We still won."

And that is how it will be recalled in the years to come."
would you say this other way anyway its mess either way i am not saying it affected game but still rule breach but its a mess will always be * on this game. Kilmacud might not replay at all or if appeal this could drag on. It is ridiculous to whole , comical in ways but sad it had to come this farce

Gaaforlife2023 (Longford) - Posts: 693 - 31/01/2023 13:54:04    2455544

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Replying To Ulsterman:  "It's the correct decision. Rules are rules and they must be adhered to. Elements within the GAA and Southern media thought they could just steamroll and bully Glen but that was never going to happen. Dublin media mouthpieces have been cheerleaders for Kilmacud and set a narrative that it was all Glen's fault. These poodles,and lapdogs are an embarrassment. So now that Glen have made their point they should now state they had no intention of replaying the game, congratulate Kilmacud and leave it at that."
What media mouthpieces? Any links? I have seen nothing derivative about the Glen at all.

SimonstownBack (Meath) - Posts: 163 - 31/01/2023 13:59:08    2455546

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "
Replying To Wally:  "'not fully left the pitch'

Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into!

It couldn't be anymore black and white.

GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago."
There were 16 men on the line? There would have been the same number of people on the line regardless of the extra man for 23 seconds. Anyone claiming that Crokes won because of that is stretching credibility to the limit.

They broke a rule, sanction has been applied. Fair enough, they did break a rule. Now. If they have any cojones they will say, "grand, well we won the match, so if you want to strip us of the title, fire away. We still won."

And that is how it will be recalled in the years to come."
Jesus people really need to take a minute to read a post before commenting on it and embarrassing themselves.

I said the 16th man was defending the goal line. I did not say there was 16 men on the goal line.

There is no ambiguity here. Just facts.

Crokes had 17 men on the field. One of those men was meant to leave the field play but did not. Instead he remained on the goal line, defending it while Glen tried to work a goal.

It's all very simple really.

Wally (Tyrone) - Posts: 926 - 31/01/2023 14:07:59    2455548

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Replying To TheUsername:  "Hope they do and its awarded to Glen, the whole thing is ridiculous - i wouldn't collude with it. Crokes should be better then the process."
So no fault lies with Crokes at all?

dingo (Limerick) - Posts: 23 - 31/01/2023 14:20:48    2455555

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Replying To bad.monkey:  "Ref made an error allowing 45 be taken quickly but Crokes won on the day. This really embarassing stuff from the GAA and also from Glen for trying to win an All Ireland in a boardroom that they lost on the pitch."
But they won on the pitch where they were greatly aided by a mistake that shouldnt have happened
It is embarrassing from the GAA that its taken until today to make the decision to replay the game.
Glen are not trying to win an all ireland in boardroom lost on the pitch. they are trying to be treated fairly.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 31/01/2023 14:21:41    2455557

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" It definitely is a joke anyone blaming Glen. The lads had 16 men on the pitch in a 15 a side game. Firstly that's management's fault. Secondly the officials for not stopping the game and ordering the extra man off. And then thirdly the GAAs fault that we are still discussing it nearly a week on. "
Put in a nut shell by Viking but the beat goes on. The officials missed it but KIlmacud broke a rule whether by accident or purpose does not matter but hard to believe the player coming on does not know a player has to exit as they usually kiss and hug. The GAA can't make a rule that kicks in automatically once unchallenged evidence is available.
Glen were not involved in any part of these three contributors and to cast any blame or responsibility on them is absurd.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 31/01/2023 14:25:58    2455559

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "Crokes may not even appeal. Might just say they are not togging out."
Agree .What happed didn't have any bearing on the result whatsoever.

dubarra (Wicklow) - Posts: 541 - 31/01/2023 14:34:32    2455565

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I suppose Kilmacud will be handing back the cup now... no need for an appeal...

All bravado from Kilmacud earlier in the week... time to fix the game and get on with it.

Square_B (Leitrim) - Posts: 1300 - 31/01/2023 14:39:13    2455567

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Replying To KillingFields:  "But they won on the pitch where they were greatly aided by a mistake that shouldnt have happened
It is embarrassing from the GAA that its taken until today to make the decision to replay the game.
Glen are not trying to win an all ireland in boardroom lost on the pitch. they are trying to be treated fairly."
Do you genuinely think they were "greatly aided"?? Now I definitely have no love for Crokes being southside rivals of my own club but I do think a replay is very harsh on them. For what it's worth I've heard from a couple of Crokes lads that they will under no circumstances be fielding a team for a replay. Make of that what you will. I think what it boils down to is the following in relation to the closing passage of play with the '45 and extra man on the pitch (I'm not counting Mannion as he may as well have been on the sideline). Do any of the Glen players feel that the presence of Dara Mullin affected how they went about fashioning a shot on goal in that passage of play? Of course sport is highly unpredictable and its why we love it but the odds at that stage of them snatching a winning goal were very slim. Not zero of course but it was unlikely and I genuinely don't think the extra man had the impact that people are making out. Was it a rule breach? Yes and nobody is arguing that but I think the punishment is absolutely way too harsh on Crokes. If the final minute of injury time was to be replayed another 10 times how many times would Glen actually get that goal they needed? Once? None? Hard to say I know but the bookies at that moment would have given you very big odds on Glen winning the game meaning it was not likely to happen. I think the GAA should have acted sooner, slapped Crokes with a fine and draw a line under the whole mess.

TrueBlue35 (Dublin) - Posts: 233 - 31/01/2023 14:51:08    2455569

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