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All Ireland Club Final, Kilmacud V Glen (Derry)

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Replying To carlowman: "Would love to have been a fly on the wall at proceedings last night! I am perplexed with this decision. If this is the way rules are to be applied in future, I fear the number of replays that will be awarded. So,.for arguments sake, the Limerick v Kilkenny SF with the failure.of.officials to.award a 65 on the last olay when officials failed to notice that a KK player had touched the line ball and it went out for a 65... that is just one example where officials erred or made a..istake or put simply missed something. And this had a.massive bearing on the result. Should a team be awarded a replay when officials have erred or made a mistake? If the GAA is admitting that its officials made a mistake, and that that such a scenario will result in a replay, well we really are entering a period for serious litigation. Or, is the GAA accusing or.stating that Crokes were responsible... When the referee blew for the 45 to be taken, was there anybody bringing to his attention that 2 or 1 players had been substituted and had not left the field? It seems over harsh to me. I expect that Crokes will either give back the trophy OR fight the decision. I would not blame them if they chose the first option." Some really ridiculous posts on here like this one. Break it into simples. There's officiating and there's the rule book. The Limerick '65' is officiating. No where in the rule book does it say if a 65 isn't awarded in error the losing team may be awarded in error. In the rule book it clearly states if you play part of a game with more than 15 players your team is liable to pay a fine, play a replay, or forfeit the game. Is that clear enough?? Errors in awarding frees, 65s are officiating, not the rule book. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 31/01/2023 18:15:27 2455646 Link
Glen have been blessed here, absolutely blessed. No bloody doubt.. a complete get out of jail card Glen simply didn't deserve to win it on the day and now have a chance to play a game that they lost. An All Ireland final 2nd chance.. unheard of...!! Glen players know that too. Missed chances, poor finishing, poor option taking, blew a lead.. just weren't good enough in normal time at all and would have been deservedly beaten by a misfiring Crokes team that were nowhere near their best, who appeared to unbalance their side with trying to get Mannion back in there, blatantly not match sharp after a long enough injury. Listen.. we all have won games we know we should have lost, a flukey goal or dodgy call.. but I've never lost a game I knew we deserved to lose only to get a 2nd chance because of an error I'd not feel great retaking the field, we didn't deserve to win the last day, it would feel a bit cheap, but hey that's just me, especially off the back of a media circus. I'm no Crokes fan either, I'll be honest, I'm not a fan at all of theirs, but for me they deserved to win in normal time. Glen are blessed here.. let's see if they can pull off what they weren't good enough to do that last day jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/01/2023 18:34:10 2455653 Link
A lot of nonsense. If the game is replayed and Glen wins the record will show they are the champions for the year and will be remembered as that. A footnote will be added it was after a replay because KIlmacud played with 16 players on the pitch in the first game.. If KIlmacud win it will be remembered the same. The footnote will say they had to replay after playing with 16 men on the pitch in the first game. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 31/01/2023 18:38:32 2455656 Link
Replying To cluichethar: "What will really be embarassing for the player that didn't go off is if Glen wins the replay." I'd like to know if the player coming on told 14 to go off or not, blame lies on either shoulder , own up either way. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 31/01/2023 18:57:10 2455659 Link
Replying To CiarraiMick: "I have nt a clue. It's the same on the Kerry forum. His name is gone and he just disappeared and no one seems to know anything." In order for a name to disappear it has to be deleted Two reasons You either get the boot or You ask for your username/account to be discontinued There was a Laois poster that had a bizarre amount of likes that got booted because it turned out he/she/zhe/them/those had setup many other usernames and was liking all his own posts in huge numbers But if Kingdomboys username has also been discontinued on a Kerry forum too, it would probably indicate that they've chosen to discontinue their participation I've left HS myself for over a year or months at a time but kept my username active, but always felt I might add the odd post, there's something very final about purposely wanting your account to be discontinued So yeah, he was either booted or decided call it quits and asked administration to delete his account jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 31/01/2023 19:02:02 2455660 Link
Replying To Wally: " Replying To BarneyGrant: "[quote=Wally: "[quote=BarneyGrant: "[quote=Wally: "'not fully left the pitch' Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into! It couldn't be anymore black and white. GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago." There were 16 men on the line? There would have been the same number of people on the line regardless of the extra man for 23 seconds. Anyone claiming that Crokes won because of that is stretching credibility to the limit. They broke a rule, sanction has been applied. Fair enough, they did break a rule. Now. If they have any cojones they will say, "grand, well we won the match, so if you want to strip us of the title, fire away. We still won." And that is how it will be recalled in the years to come." Jesus people really need to take a minute to read a post before commenting on it and embarrassing themselves. I said the 16th man was defending the goal line. I did not say there was 16 men on the goal line. There is no ambiguity here. Just facts. Crokes had 17 men on the field. One of those men was meant to leave the field play but did not. Instead he remained on the goal line, defending it while Glen tried to work a goal. It's all very simple really."]I am not a bit embarrassed. Nor are Crokes. They won on the pitch, on the day. Everything else after that is irrelevant. Had the substitutions been what won it, or had they gotten a dodgy penalty, or someone ought to have been sent off, or a score missed or wrongly given, etc, etc, then I'd be first to say the game ought to be replayed, That did not happen. Nor will a replay. Trophies and medals are only pieces of metal. Everyone knows they won, and that that they would have won regardless of that 23 seconds."]Fair enough. You are right. From now on any team can just fire on an additional 2 men for the last minute or so of the game. Sure what is the harm? Ach sure what would that matter...might as well throw them on for all of injury time. Sure whats the big deal?? Why stop at 2 additional men. We will just throw on 3 or 4 men. Sure if they don't touch the ball what's the harm? They are only guidelines after all. Its not like there is an actual rule for this stuff. Deluded is an understatement."]Very few other sports allow a game to resume until the sustituted player has left the field, its terribly simple really. Amateur sport hmmmm. But you can drive a bus through most GAA rules. No one knows what Crokes are going to do. Crokes have a number of options pressure will be applied to accept the ruling. But I agree this game will not happen. arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4896 - 31/01/2023 19:06:01 2455663 Link
Replying To DUBJOHN: "Kiss and hug ? Where have you played your football ? San Francisco ?" Just been factious. The player coming on always make contact with the player going off. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 31/01/2023 19:35:32 2455668 Link
Replying To DUBJOHN: "Kiss and hug ? Where have you played your football ? San Francisco ?" Just been factious. The player coming on always make contact with the player going off. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 31/01/2023 19:47:47 2455671 Link
Decisions in matches arent always fair. Thats life but Crokes won on the day. Time for Glen to move on. RangersFan (Dublin) - Posts: 117 - 31/01/2023 14:54:38 Decisions around rules in play very different to procedural issues like this. allowing Kilmacud win the title in this fashion without replaying the game gives teams nationwide the freedom to bring on a 16th player and win and claim its allowed. Personally i think the replay is overkill. Even if kilmacud had only 15 on the pitch for that last 50, i'd give the glen a 1 in 10 chance of getting a goal at best. Kilmacud should have got the fine option. In any event something needs to be done to provide full clarity, cause as sure as guns metal some junior c league game will run into the same issue again down the line. I think kilmacud will win it next day. I think they did their best to loose it on the line the last day . For all the plaudits kilmacud management have got to date i think they were completely asleep on the line ponger (Cavan) - Posts: 500 - 31/01/2023 15:35:01 I dont see how replay is overkill. its the only fair option. GAA could have awarded the game against Kilmacud or said the result should have stood. are either of those options better? A fine alone would have meant an asterisk against Kilmacud title for the rest of time I hope neither team turn up. The Grab All Association don't deserve another gate. Then they can fine both teams for no show and make a few quid. After all money is the name of their game Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 282 - 31/01/2023 15:37:08 This isnt about money. its about fairness. Ridiclous post. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3510 - 31/01/2023 19:54:38 2455676 Link
I'm a bit tired of people saying "Crokes did nothing wrong". Of course they were wrong, however unintentional it was. Every team manager, selector and club secretary knows full well that if you send in a sub, somebody has to leave the field. Of course the match officials must take some of the blame, but that doesn't exonerate Crokes of their own responsibilities. Every week we see harrassed club managers and secretaries make late changes in close matches but how often do we see 16 men left on the field? Personally, I cannot recall any such incident and I have been watching club and county games for more than 50 years. midlands (Westmeath) - Posts: 543 - 31/01/2023 20:04:20 2455680 Link
Is Shane Walsh in Austrailia as part of his education course? neutral (None) - Posts: 358 - 31/01/2023 20:11:06 2455681 Link
Replying To bad.monkey: "Ref made an error allowing 45 be taken quickly but Crokes won on the day. This really embarassing stuff from the GAA and also from Glen for trying to win an All Ireland in a boardroom that they lost on the pitch." Not embarrassing at all as far as Glen or any other team in the same position are concerned. Glen aren't trying to win an All Ireland in the boardroom, they might try on the pitch against 15 players , which I think are the rules of the game. Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2014 - 31/01/2023 21:39:36 2455697 Link
Replying To neutral: "Is Shane Walsh in Austrailia as part of his education course?" Nosey Parker, what's it to do with you? sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 684 - 01/02/2023 09:40:40 2455714 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Not embarrassing at all as far as Glen or any other team in the same position are concerned. Glen aren't trying to win an All Ireland in the boardroom, they might try on the pitch against 15 players , which I think are the rules of the game." Crossmaglen played with an extra man in the 2007 final against Dr Crokes from the 54th minute (McEntee got two yellow cards). Do you think they should hand back their medals now? Dr Crokes didnt object because they got beaten on the day. You win and lose on the pitch. I wont ask about 95! Im sure it would be a yes.. bad.monkey (USA) - Posts: 4624 - 01/02/2023 10:14:50 2455724 Link
I hope neither team turn up. The Grab All Association don't deserve another gate. Then they can fine both teams for no show and make a few quid. After all money is the name of their game Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 282 - 31/01/2023 15:37:08 This isnt about money. its about fairness. Ridiclous post. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2926 - 31/01/2023 19:54:38 Well let's see if there is free admission if both teams bother to turn up for a replay. Who foots them bill for both clubs expenses ? Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 510 - 01/02/2023 10:15:43 2455725 Link
"allowing Kilmacud win the title in this fashion without replaying the game gives teams nationwide the freedom to bring on a 16th player and win and claim its allowed." KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2926 - 31/01/2023 19:54:38 2455676 It really doesn't give teams the freedom to do that to be fair. 99 times out of 100 the referee won't restart the game until the substitution is completed. Any team that has been found to deliberately attempt to have 16 players or more on the pitch should forfeit any game. Context is key to this. Is a replay a proportionate response to Kilmacud having extra players for 20 seconds or so? That's the nub of the issue for me. Rules and process around subs need to be looked at as well coming out of this. MesAmis (Dublin) - Posts: 13708 - 01/02/2023 10:26:27 2455727 Link
Replying To neutral: "Is Shane Walsh in Austrailia as part of his education course?" Ever hear of the saying "Build a bridge"? TaytoFoley (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 01/02/2023 10:47:57 2455735 Link
Replying To Saynothing: "Not embarrassing at all as far as Glen or any other team in the same position are concerned. Glen aren't trying to win an All Ireland in the boardroom, they might try on the pitch against 15 players , which I think are the rules of the game." Glen had plenty of chances to win the all Ireland on the pitch and didn't take them. The extra man on the field for the last play did not affect the result and most people will admit that. The GAA have ordered a replay but it was ultimately the GAA officials fault. TaytoFoley (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 01/02/2023 10:50:28 2455737 Link
Replying To Wally: "'not fully left the pitch' Are you for real. The 16th player was defending the goal line that Glen were trying to score into! It couldn't be anymore black and white. GAA are 100% right on this, but it could have been an awful lot less controversial if they had of used their own initiative and done this at least a week ago." A Tyrone man saying the GAA are 100% right?? I had to wipe my eyes after seeing that statement. I thought the GAA and all down south were anti northern? Did the 16th man kick the ball wide from the 45? No he didn't and had absolutely no impact on the end result. TaytoFoley (Leitrim) - Posts: 83 - 01/02/2023 11:12:24 2455741 Link
Replying To TaytoFoley: "Glen had plenty of chances to win the all Ireland on the pitch and didn't take them. The extra man on the field for the last play did not affect the result and most people will admit that. The GAA have ordered a replay but it was ultimately the GAA officials fault." The following statement is clearly incorrect. "The extra man on the field for the last play did not affect the result and most people will admit that." turnip12 (Monaghan) - Posts: 18 - 01/02/2023 11:13:55 2455742 Link