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Replying To Rolo2010:  "Sure. I'm the future socialist governement of Ireland will be more than happy for American companies to continue operating in Ireland and making profit."
Why wouldn't they? Real socialism is about equality of education and opportunity. No more or less than that. What people do with that opportunity is then up to themselves.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 17/02/2024 17:35:39    2526514

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Replying To tireoghainabu:  "We can all read, no need to post your reply three times."
Well how do you know if your post is approved or not and you cant edit a post?

Not my problem or fault.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 17/02/2024 17:39:19    2526515

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why wouldn't they? Real socialism is about equality of education and opportunity. No more or less than that. What people do with that opportunity is then up to themselves."
That, and a social floor below which nobody can ever fall.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2629 - 17/02/2024 19:29:26    2526531

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Replying To Ollie2:  "Would you support Down and Derry?"
I live in South Derry these days and would always wish them the best to be honest. Support like I do for my home county wouldnt be there but it all depends on the opposition. As an Antrim man I don't get many days in the capital hunting for tickets as I'm sure you figured. The season is usually over not long after it begins, then what do you do with yourself, turn your back or keep an interest, I choose the latter.

SaffronDon (Antrim) - Posts: 2385 - 18/02/2024 04:24:08    2526590

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Replying To Ollie2:  "I always find Donegal have more in common with Glasgow than they do with Dublin. So many Celtic supporters in that county."
Have Dublin people more in common with Liverpool and Manchester than they have with Donegal if you are judging by the soccer teams they support.

gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1056 - 18/02/2024 11:44:34    2526624

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Went to Cork City vs Kerry FC in the League of Ireland, first time I went to see them, I just don't understand why soccer atmosphere is so toxic, fans mouthing off players on the sideline for a throw in, fans chanting f**k the kingdom. Why are soccer fans different then GAA or even rugby?

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 267 - 18/02/2024 14:29:24    2526647

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Replying To gunman:  "Have Dublin people more in common with Liverpool and Manchester than they have with Donegal if you are judging by the soccer teams they support."
The problem is generalisations 'Everyone in Donegal' or 'Everyone in Dublin'. Soccer in Dublin is confined to specific areas and demographs, ditto with GAA and Rugby. Best behaved fans IMO are Rugby ones, worst are soccer and somewhere between are GAA ones.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4895 - 18/02/2024 14:42:10    2526655

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Complete nonsense.

galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2517 - 18/02/2024 14:51:05    2526660

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "Went to Cork City vs Kerry FC in the League of Ireland, first time I went to see them, I just don't understand why soccer atmosphere is so toxic, fans mouthing off players on the sideline for a throw in, fans chanting f**k the kingdom. Why are soccer fans different then GAA or even rugby?"
Have you never heard GAA supporters abusing the referee, opposition team players or opposition supporters?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 18/02/2024 15:10:00    2526663

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Have you never heard GAA supporters abusing the referee, opposition team players or opposition supporters?"
It's very rare to hear large groups of GAA supporters chanting abuse at opposition fans. I don't think I've heard it.
It is commonplace in soccer and seems to be part of the matchday experience. There are rehearsed chants for it.
Plenty abuse for the ref at GAA matches alright.

WanPintWin (Galway) - Posts: 2037 - 18/02/2024 15:45:35    2526681

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "Have you never heard GAA supporters abusing the referee, opposition team players or opposition supporters?"
I'm not denying it happens but it's such a common place on soccer

DuhallowRed (Cork) - Posts: 267 - 18/02/2024 16:10:39    2526692

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Replying To galwayford:  "Complete nonsense."
Who arw you responding to?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 18/02/2024 16:33:56    2526699

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I'm not denying it happens but it's such a common place on soccer"
As common in gaa and getting more common in rugby.
All sports much worse for abuse since afred covid

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 18/02/2024 18:04:08    2526733

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Replying To DuhallowRed:  "I'm not denying it happens but it's such a common place on soccer"
It's common in GAA too unfortunately, especially if some supporters are intoxicated. Do you go to as many soccer games as GAA games?

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7337 - 18/02/2024 20:46:08    2526809

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Replying To Viking66:  "Why wouldn't they? Real socialism is about equality of education and opportunity. No more or less than that. What people do with that opportunity is then up to themselves."
I don't think you know too much about socialism!

Check out the history of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics for a start.

Socialism means state ownership and the abolition of private property. Nothing else.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2527 - 19/02/2024 00:53:13    2526838

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I don't think you know too much about socialism!

Check out the history of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics for a start.

Socialism means state ownership and the abolition of private property. Nothing else."
Well ots clear you dont either if thats your only view of what socialism is

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3499 - 19/02/2024 06:59:48    2526846

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I don't think you know too much about socialism!

Check out the history of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics for a start.

Socialism means state ownership and the abolition of private property. Nothing else."
We've been over all this.

What you've described is communism.

Socialism has been described as the gateway to communism by paranoid conservatives referring to Marxists.

I think what people are trying to say is people generally across the US and EU tend to favour socialist ideas such as free education, healthcare, welfare system etc.

True free market capitalism couldn't have these things because economics is supposed to regulate itself in that school of thought, Laissez-faire approach.

In reality the most successful Nations, in Europe particularly have adopted Keynesian approach which is intended to be the best of both.

The UN are actually the ones attempting to abolish private ownership.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 2629 - 19/02/2024 08:15:10    2526850

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Well ots clear you dont either if thats your only view of what socialism is"
Were they not socialist? How do you define it?

What people claim to be socialism in the west - public medicine, education etc, were already in place before there was a socialist party in power anywhere in the world,

Those things were achieved through democracy and the representation of working people. None of which existed in ANY socialist state, all of which abolished free elections, trade unions and freedom of expression.

Even the "socialist" parties like SF no longer support socialism as state ownership.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2527 - 19/02/2024 08:44:52    2526854

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Replying To BarneyGrant:  "I don't think you know too much about socialism!

Check out the history of the Union of Soviet SOCIALIST Republics for a start.

Socialism means state ownership and the abolition of private property. Nothing else."
That's Communism Barney. I've an Honours degree in a Social Science and got distinctions in A and S level Economics at school. I know what Socialism is. And I'm not talking about media generalisations.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11736 - 19/02/2024 09:08:58    2526861

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "We've been over all this.

What you've described is communism.

Socialism has been described as the gateway to communism by paranoid conservatives referring to Marxists.

I think what people are trying to say is people generally across the US and EU tend to favour socialist ideas such as free education, healthcare, welfare system etc.

True free market capitalism couldn't have these things because economics is supposed to regulate itself in that school of thought, Laissez-faire approach.

In reality the most successful Nations, in Europe particularly have adopted Keynesian approach which is intended to be the best of both.

The UN are actually the ones attempting to abolish private ownership."
Socialism was described as the gateway to communism by Marx :-)

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 2527 - 19/02/2024 09:22:46    2526865

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