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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I think the award of a penalty would have been harsh… I certainly wouldn't like to see it given against us…McKiernan never got control of the ball , maybe the pass wasn't all it should have been but if he had held on I'd say Lane would have had no choice but to give it …. Loosing the ball made Lanes choice easier… Apart from the 2 lucky goals Donegal got they passed up 3/4 more good goal scoring chances by taking the wrong options when a player ( Mc Brearty twice) was alone in front of the goals… We really only had the one big goal chance which Patton made a great save from….not been able to score goals is our Achilles heal… Cavan had every chance in this game and could have won as Donegal are a long way from been a top side…Their 1-13 from their named inside forward line was the big difference…. Looking at Martin Reilly on the pitch after the game would suggest he played his last game in Clones but what a great servant he has been… Hopefully in the Taltian cup he throws Mc Vitty and Lovett into the two corner positions….some poor efforts on goal by the two lads in on Sunday but they are young and will learn….I hope they go strong after this Competition"
Massively disagree on the penalty incident. He was grabbed from behind, and his right arm pulled as he was trying to release and kick the ball. The pull on him caused him not to connect properly. You can't tackle like that, either up the field, or in the box. That was a clear penalty to me, and to many other commentators and pundits who say it should have been given. If similar was given against us, I'd have had no complaints. Tackler didn't play the ball, but the man, causing him to miskick. Penalty all day long

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 10/05/2022 10:58:12    2416159

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Replying To cavanman47:  "It wasn't Faulkner who dropped it."
Does it really matter who dropped it? It was dropped and ended up in the back of the net. End of .
You will be saying next that Donegal shouldn't kick it in like that because it's old style!
They kicked it in like that because 2 Cavan backs and the Keeper made a mess 2 mins earlier for the first goal.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 10/05/2022 11:17:21    2416177

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Massively disagree on the penalty incident. He was grabbed from behind, and his right arm pulled as he was trying to release and kick the ball. The pull on him caused him not to connect properly. You can't tackle like that, either up the field, or in the box. That was a clear penalty to me, and to many other commentators and pundits who say it should have been given. If similar was given against us, I'd have had no complaints. Tackler didn't play the ball, but the man, causing him to miskick. Penalty all day long"
I still think if he held the ball the penalty would have been given… Mc Kiernans efforts at stopping or tackling Donegal players in the first half was pathetic… he kicked a couple of good scores the 2nd half but he is no good to the team when we are out of possession…..

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 10/05/2022 12:58:53    2416227

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I still think if he held the ball the penalty would have been given… Mc Kiernans efforts at stopping or tackling Donegal players in the first half was pathetic… he kicked a couple of good scores the 2nd half but he is no good to the team when we are out of possession….."
Possibly, but he shouldn't have to. He was trying to score. If we're only to give penalties to those who hold the ball and go to ground, then that's wrong. We can give frees for this. Sure we even see when a free can be given when someone attempts to kick a ball and if they're fouled, a free is from where the ball lands. No matter what way you spin it, McKiernan was fouled. He shouldn't have to be too honest here. He was fouled, prevented him scoring, should be a penalty, as literally every quarter is saying.

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 10/05/2022 14:03:05    2416252

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I still think if he held the ball the penalty would have been given… Mc Kiernans efforts at stopping or tackling Donegal players in the first half was pathetic… he kicked a couple of good scores the 2nd half but he is no good to the team when we are out of possession….."
I still think if he held the ball the penalty would have been given… Mc Kiernans efforts at stopping or tackling Donegal players in the first half was pathetic… he kicked a couple of good scores the 2nd half but he is no good to the team when we are out of possession…..
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 544 - 10/05/2022 12:58:53

It's not Rugby he has to try and kick it to score although the tackle would be more suitable to Rugby.

RHF (Cavan) - Posts: 737 - 10/05/2022 14:16:06    2416260

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watched it again on u tube last night was too far away from the incident in clones to see but when you see how little contact was needed to award a free if the referee is consistent then he has to give a penalty as there was definite contact from behind. I dont agree with this or most of the frees given they are destroying the game as a spectacle and we will soon be at a zero contact game.

breffnibluewhite (Cavan) - Posts: 187 - 10/05/2022 14:17:31    2416262

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Possibly, but he shouldn't have to. He was trying to score. If we're only to give penalties to those who hold the ball and go to ground, then that's wrong. We can give frees for this. Sure we even see when a free can be given when someone attempts to kick a ball and if they're fouled, a free is from where the ball lands. No matter what way you spin it, McKiernan was fouled. He shouldn't have to be too honest here. He was fouled, prevented him scoring, should be a penalty, as literally every quarter is saying."
Have to look at it again…. my first reaction was that he lost the ball… he or other players didn't react as if it was a blatant foul… as I say I will have to see it again

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 10/05/2022 14:34:08    2416268

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Replying To breffnibluewhite:  "watched it again on u tube last night was too far away from the incident in clones to see but when you see how little contact was needed to award a free if the referee is consistent then he has to give a penalty as there was definite contact from behind. I dont agree with this or most of the frees given they are destroying the game as a spectacle and we will soon be at a zero contact game."
Technically, by the rule book, it is more or less a non contact game. The only contact you are allowed is shoulder to shoulder.

The game of Gaelic Football is a farce when you really think about it, because the tackle rule is not enforced, nor is it well defined.
You see this craic of lads standing in front of players when they're getting up of the ground and leaving a hand in, is that a foul? Who knows? A hand on the back, is that a foul, or does it need to affect the player's momentum? Again, who really knows.

Far too much depends on referee interpretation. We were denied what could have been a match defining penalty at the weekend.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 10/05/2022 14:55:36    2416277

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Technically, by the rule book, it is more or less a non contact game. The only contact you are allowed is shoulder to shoulder.

The game of Gaelic Football is a farce when you really think about it, because the tackle rule is not enforced, nor is it well defined.
You see this craic of lads standing in front of players when they're getting up of the ground and leaving a hand in, is that a foul? Who knows? A hand on the back, is that a foul, or does it need to affect the player's momentum? Again, who really knows.

Far too much depends on referee interpretation. We were denied what could have been a match defining penalty at the weekend."
It has become a non contact sport. Hand over the shoulder is nearly always given as a free as the opposing play always goes to ground once the hand comes over.
Your suppose to tackle the ball with open hand. How the ref can see or implement this on his blind side is anyone guess!
For infringements in the penalty area the Umpire should call the refs attention more often. As it's impossible for the ref to be totally up with the play all the time.

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 10/05/2022 15:34:20    2416305

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "It has become a non contact sport. Hand over the shoulder is nearly always given as a free as the opposing play always goes to ground once the hand comes over.
Your suppose to tackle the ball with open hand. How the ref can see or implement this on his blind side is anyone guess!
For infringements in the penalty area the Umpire should call the refs attention more often. As it's impossible for the ref to be totally up with the play all the time."
Agree with you totally about getting the umpire's involved… For all inter county games I have always maintained that umpires should be appointed from the referees pool…. If they are prepared to bring Lane all the way up from Cork ( pure madness in my view ) he should be bringing 4 local referees with him instead of buddies who might have spent half the night in the local pub… Umpires have the best view as they are mainly stationary and have a full view down the pitch… they should certainly have more of a say on incidents like Sundays penalty claim as Lane was miles behind the play and decided on the safe option at that time of the game…. If the same thing happened in the last minute with us 6 points behind he would come running in with his arm outstretched in the safe knowledge it would make no difference… Give the umpires more power

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 10/05/2022 19:22:17    2416376

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Replying To Breffni1969:  "It has become a non contact sport. Hand over the shoulder is nearly always given as a free as the opposing play always goes to ground once the hand comes over.
Your suppose to tackle the ball with open hand. How the ref can see or implement this on his blind side is anyone guess!
For infringements in the penalty area the Umpire should call the refs attention more often. As it's impossible for the ref to be totally up with the play all the time."
Agreed, more use needs to be made of the umpires. Or we should look at having a referee in each half. The game is crying out for all this to be addressed.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 10/05/2022 21:59:05    2416394

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Replying To Ned_Stormcrow:  "Agreed, more use needs to be made of the umpires. Or we should look at having a referee in each half. The game is crying out for all this to be addressed."
Refs each half I think would be good, or use the linesmen as assistant refs like in soccer. At the moment they can only say something if consulted by the ref. Umpires a waste of time, unless we stipulate that in inter county games that they're at least club level refs or such so we know they have a standard. We can't be using umpires like that if they're 4 lads from the local area the ref brings on the day...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 11/05/2022 09:29:24    2416404

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Can anyone explain why a referee ( and umpires ) had to travel the whole way from Cork to Clones to referee an Ulster Championship match…. I agree these games should have a ref from outside the province but surely a referee from Connaught or Leinster would make a lot more sense…. but sadly when in comes to the GAA sense is far from common…!

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 11/05/2022 10:01:10    2416411

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Can anyone explain why a referee ( and umpires ) had to travel the whole way from Cork to Clones to referee an Ulster Championship match…. I agree these games should have a ref from outside the province but surely a referee from Connaught or Leinster would make a lot more sense…. but sadly when in comes to the GAA sense is far from common…!"
Kinda madness really having to bring a ref from Cork the whole way up.
Think David Gough is reffin the Derry Monaghan Semi this weekend. He will need eyes in the back of his head for that one!!

Breffni1969 (Cavan) - Posts: 190 - 11/05/2022 10:45:57    2416433

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Can anyone explain why a referee ( and umpires ) had to travel the whole way from Cork to Clones to referee an Ulster Championship match…. I agree these games should have a ref from outside the province but surely a referee from Connaught or Leinster would make a lot more sense…. but sadly when in comes to the GAA sense is far from common…!"
Maybe the issues we had with an Ulster ref last time Cavan and Donegal played? There is only a select panel of refs available. Wouldn't have chosen Lane personally, but it's where we are

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1859 - 11/05/2022 10:56:19    2416437

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Refs each half I think would be good, or use the linesmen as assistant refs like in soccer. At the moment they can only say something if consulted by the ref. Umpires a waste of time, unless we stipulate that in inter county games that they're at least club level refs or such so we know they have a standard. We can't be using umpires like that if they're 4 lads from the local area the ref brings on the day..."
Absolutely. There needs to be standards and accountability. It's quite astonishing that this issue isn't highlighted more.

Ned_Stormcrow (Cavan) - Posts: 1050 - 11/05/2022 11:01:17    2416438

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "Can anyone explain why a referee ( and umpires ) had to travel the whole way from Cork to Clones to referee an Ulster Championship match…. I agree these games should have a ref from outside the province but surely a referee from Connaught or Leinster would make a lot more sense…. but sadly when in comes to the GAA sense is far from common…!"
Well I am not sure why the whole way from Cork but the last time we played a senior Ulster final a Ref from Derry almost cost us the match. A few weeks back a ref from Donegal had a huge hand in us not winning an Ulster u20 championship, a ref that lives a few miles from the border of the team that won.

I think its a good idea bringing in refs from outside the province although it seems excessive brining one from Cork alright.

fredflint (Cavan) - Posts: 1468 - 11/05/2022 11:30:10    2416448

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Replying To fredflint:  "Well I am not sure why the whole way from Cork but the last time we played a senior Ulster final a Ref from Derry almost cost us the match. A few weeks back a ref from Donegal had a huge hand in us not winning an Ulster u20 championship, a ref that lives a few miles from the border of the team that won.

I think its a good idea bringing in refs from outside the province although it seems excessive brining one from Cork alright."
Your right…. I hate when Ulster referees are in charge of our games

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 11/05/2022 12:59:17    2416481

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There's only around 16 Inter County referees. The list changes each year, some are dropped and new refs brought in.

A long journey for Lane, but they all probaly have to make long journeys during the championship. I think Hurson from Tyrone done a Munster game before.

FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2477 - 11/05/2022 13:45:43    2416504

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Replying To FoolsGold:  "There's only around 16 Inter County referees. The list changes each year, some are dropped and new refs brought in.

A long journey for Lane, but they all probaly have to make long journeys during the championship. I think Hurson from Tyrone done a Munster game before."
It's all an expenses junket for the likes of Lane and his umpires…. They most likely traveled up on Saturday and got a stay over…. I know it's not an easy job but at least make the appointments logical…

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 736 - 11/05/2022 16:00:37    2416546

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