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24hrs on doesn't make the pain of another narrow loss and championship exit any less but more time to reflect.
Worth noting we were the last county to appoint a new management team when Cunningham left it until August to leave and our County board explored some of the worst possible options until they stumbled on to a decent candidate in Davy Burke.
Davy and management team apart from Eddie Lohan had no club championship to watch and were at least a month off over teams in training and preparation. It was also known a handful of last year's starters would not be available for the league so to finish 3rd when strong relegated candidates was achievement in itself.
Championship started well with a well deserved win against Mayo in MacHale Park. The following match against Galway was decided on fine margin and the big turning point was the goal, a point effort that came off the post.
Drawing with Dublin in Croke Park and holding them to 1-11 gave another example of the progress we were making but even in the 2nd half of that game the signs was not good on our fitness and conditioning level for such hectic schedule.
Lots of ifs buts and maybes we could easily have beaten Cork, Kildare by 1 point and if we did we wouldn't have got any further next weekend our 3rd game in 14 days.
This year was the first year I recall for a long time that we were competitive against every team we played and that included 10 matches against Div 1 opposition which is something to build on going into 2024 and if we get the likes of Ronan Daly,Ultan Harney, Ó Rourke and Heneghan we can certainly make further progress.
For now a huge thanks to the 40 plus players that togged out this year serious effort and commitment they have put in and looking forward to seeing them in action in January already.
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Replying To The_analyser: "24hrs on doesn't make the pain of another narrow loss and championship exit any less but more time to reflect.
Worth noting we were the last county to appoint a new management team when Cunningham left it until August to leave and our County board explored some of the worst possible options until they stumbled on to a decent candidate in Davy Burke.
Davy and management team apart from Eddie Lohan had no club championship to watch and were at least a month off over teams in training and preparation. It was also known a handful of last year's starters would not be available for the league so to finish 3rd when strong relegated candidates was achievement in itself.
Championship started well with a well deserved win against Mayo in MacHale Park. The following match against Galway was decided on fine margin and the big turning point was the goal, a point effort that came off the post.
Drawing with Dublin in Croke Park and holding them to 1-11 gave another example of the progress we were making but even in the 2nd half of that game the signs was not good on our fitness and conditioning level for such hectic schedule.
Lots of ifs buts and maybes we could easily have beaten Cork, Kildare by 1 point and if we did we wouldn't have got any further next weekend our 3rd game in 14 days.
This year was the first year I recall for a long time that we were competitive against every team we played and that included 10 matches against Div 1 opposition which is something to build on going into 2024 and if we get the likes of Ronan Daly,Ultan Harney, Ó Rourke and Heneghan we can certainly make further progress.
For now a huge thanks to the 40 plus players that togged out this year serious effort and commitment they have put in and looking forward to seeing them in action in January already." Well said analyser.
The competitive in every game was very true and a big improvement on 2018 -2021 seasons.
Unfortunately losing out to 2 Div 2 teams in our last 2 games will colour some people's views of the season.
Fitness and conditioning issues to be addressed for next year.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 25/06/2023 19:01:31
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Having had a day to reflect, overall it's very disappointing to go out in the manner we did.
We have definitely improved in some aspects this year and are tougher to play against for sure. However since our win over Armagh in mid February, we've only won 3 games against a Donegal in disarray, Mayo who were sitting ducks after the league final and a div 4 Sligo team. We didn't deserve a quarter final place and can have no complaints.
The timing of the run is definitely something that will have to be looked at by management next year. I posted on here last winter that the Connacht championship is now an FBD equivalent and needs to be treated as such. Galway are out of the championship tonight as Connacht winners which says it all.
We've definitely tightened up at the back but the concession of one sloppy goal each game is costing us big time. Yesterdays was as bad as any as it was 5 defenders on 2 attackers and a goal should never have happened. We're also not ruthless enough when we turnover the opposition, our transition in those situations is very ponderous whereas cork moved the ball very fast for their winner.
Thanks to the team and management for their efforts this year and looking forward to 2024 in div 1 again. Hopefully we can get a few players back and have a full strength panel to pick from.
Primrose_and_blue (Roscommon) - Posts: 69 - 25/06/2023 20:55:45
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Having had a day to reflect, overall it's very disappointing to go out in the manner we did.
We have definitely improved in some aspects this year and are tougher to play against for sure. However since our win over Armagh in mid February, we've only won 3 games against a Donegal in disarray, Mayo who were sitting ducks after the league final and a div 4 Sligo team. We didn't deserve a quarter final place and can have no complaints.
The timing of the run is definitely something that will have to be looked at by management next year. I posted on here last winter that the Connacht championship is now an FBD equivalent and needs to be treated as such. Galway are out of the championship tonight as Connacht winners which says it all.
We've definitely tightened up at the back but the concession of one sloppy goal each game is costing us big time. Yesterdays was as bad as any as it was 5 defenders on 2 attackers and a goal should never have happened. We're also not ruthless enough when we turnover the opposition, our transition in those situations is very ponderous whereas cork moved the ball very fast for their winner.
Thanks to the team and management for their efforts this year and looking forward to 2024 in div 1 again. Hopefully we can get a few players back and have a full strength panel to pick from." As a neutral I think Roscommon have been an absolute revelation over the past ten years. I remember us beating yee in a Div 4 final in Croke Park and to see what yee have achieved since is total admiration from most counties. The Cork game on the road cost yee even though it shouldn't have. I hope Davy stays with yee.
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Having had a day to reflect, overall it's very disappointing to go out in the manner we did.
We have definitely improved in some aspects this year and are tougher to play against for sure. However since our win over Armagh in mid February, we've only won 3 games against a Donegal in disarray, Mayo who were sitting ducks after the league final and a div 4 Sligo team. We didn't deserve a quarter final place and can have no complaints.
The timing of the run is definitely something that will have to be looked at by management next year. I posted on here last winter that the Connacht championship is now an FBD equivalent and needs to be treated as such. Galway are out of the championship tonight as Connacht winners which says it all.
We've definitely tightened up at the back but the concession of one sloppy goal each game is costing us big time. Yesterdays was as bad as any as it was 5 defenders on 2 attackers and a goal should never have happened. We're also not ruthless enough when we turnover the opposition, our transition in those situations is very ponderous whereas cork moved the ball very fast for their winner.
Thanks to the team and management for their efforts this year and looking forward to 2024 in div 1 again. Hopefully we can get a few players back and have a full strength panel to pick from." Three of the 4 provincial winner are into the last 8 and it could well be 4 from 4 but for Galway injury issue, Comer for example unable to play against Armagh and went off injured at half time to today. If he didn't play against Roscommon or just one half Roscommon would have won Connacht and could well be in the hat for tomorrow draw.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 25/06/2023 23:45:33
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Replying To Gaa_lover: "Three of the 4 provincial winner are into the last 8 and it could well be 4 from 4 but for Galway injury issue, Comer for example unable to play against Armagh and went off injured at half time to today. If he didn't play against Roscommon or just one half Roscommon would have won Connacht and could well be in the hat for tomorrow draw." In fairness Kerry and Dublin are always going to make quarter finals and win their provinces and credit to Derry they are arguably the next best and definite best in Ulster. I just think the reward for winning the province isn't nearly enough which is why I'll be worried if I see us targeting a Connacht title next year. Even winning Connacht we'll more than likely be favourites to end up in a prelim anyway which is much more important to win. It's something that needs to be got right next year because it feels like our trajectory has been going the wrong direction in this AI series. I don't know why the provinces even exist anymore but that's another issue.
Primrose_and_blue (Roscommon) - Posts: 69 - 26/06/2023 09:56:40
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Could have been Derry in the Quarter final whom are step up from the last two teams we played I don't think we would have won that match and of course Enda would be suspended not to mention the tired minds and bodies.
Not at least drawing with Kildare probably the mostly costly result as we would likely have played Monaghan in Hyde Park whom was lucky to get past Kildare and then perhaps Armagh in the Quarter final.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4039 - 26/06/2023 11:17:03
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Having had a day to reflect, overall it's very disappointing to go out in the manner we did.
We have definitely improved in some aspects this year and are tougher to play against for sure. However since our win over Armagh in mid February, we've only won 3 games against a Donegal in disarray, Mayo who were sitting ducks after the league final and a div 4 Sligo team. We didn't deserve a quarter final place and can have no complaints.
The timing of the run is definitely something that will have to be looked at by management next year. I posted on here last winter that the Connacht championship is now an FBD equivalent and needs to be treated as such. Galway are out of the championship tonight as Connacht winners which says it all.
We've definitely tightened up at the back but the concession of one sloppy goal each game is costing us big time. Yesterdays was as bad as any as it was 5 defenders on 2 attackers and a goal should never have happened. We're also not ruthless enough when we turnover the opposition, our transition in those situations is very ponderous whereas cork moved the ball very fast for their winner.
Thanks to the team and management for their efforts this year and looking forward to 2024 in div 1 again. Hopefully we can get a few players back and have a full strength panel to pick from." Progress has definitely been made under Davy we just need to see what a full winter, seeing the club scene and work on conditioning can bring. The unfortunate thing is that you may not get too many open championships where you actually have a good chance of making a last 8 or last 4 if you've all you ducks in a row. Fitness and conditioning wise we would not be ready for Derry next week had we managed to beat Cork. But I definitely think we have the potential if management and players are given what they need. The other thing is time is not on the side of some of our best servants. Hopefully they will give it another year and see what they can do under this management team next year.
MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 26/06/2023 11:43:16
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Replying To The_analyser: "Could have been Derry in the Quarter final whom are step up from the last two teams we played I don't think we would have won that match and of course Enda would be suspended not to mention the tired minds and bodies.
Not at least drawing with Kildare probably the mostly costly result as we would likely have played Monaghan in Hyde Park whom was lucky to get past Kildare and then perhaps Armagh in the Quarter final." Enda wouldn't be suspended because if we were ahead at that stage of the game he wouldn't have let frustration get the better of him. Irrelevant now anyway unfortunately
D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 26/06/2023 11:48:50
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Replying To D.Hyde: "Enda wouldn't be suspended because if we were ahead at that stage of the game he wouldn't have let frustration get the better of him. Irrelevant now anyway unfortunately" That's true.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 4039 - 26/06/2023 12:21:55
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "In fairness Kerry and Dublin are always going to make quarter finals and win their provinces and credit to Derry they are arguably the next best and definite best in Ulster. I just think the reward for winning the province isn't nearly enough which is why I'll be worried if I see us targeting a Connacht title next year. Even winning Connacht we'll more than likely be favourites to end up in a prelim anyway which is much more important to win. It's something that needs to be got right next year because it feels like our trajectory has been going the wrong direction in this AI series. I don't know why the provinces even exist anymore but that's another issue." Kildare could easily have beaten Dublin in Leinster this year. Not so long ago Cork beat Kerry in Munster and it took a debatable Kerry penalty to edge a fine margin contest a few weeks ago.
Provinces neighbour rivals faring off whereby Galway v Mayo, Roscommon attact big crowds is why they exist sure the new group stages struggled to attract crowds as big.
It will be the beginning of end of Provinces once they lose all connection to the AI series, management teams play weakened teams then and supporters aren't stupid and won't turn up in big numbers for those games.
Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 26/06/2023 12:34:28
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "As a neutral I think Roscommon have been an absolute revelation over the past ten years. I remember us beating yee in a Div 4 final in Croke Park and to see what yee have achieved since is total admiration from most counties. The Cork game on the road cost yee even though it shouldn't have. I hope Davy stays with yee." Thank you. Roscommon have won 24 Connacht Senior football titles. Roscommon have won football All Irelands at Junior, Minor , U21 and Senior. Roscommon have contested three U21/20 All Ireland football Finals in the last 11 years. Anybody who's surprised that Roscommon aren't hanging around Division 4 or indeed Division 3 all the time doesn't know their gaa too well.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2402 - 26/06/2023 12:59:18
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Replying To Inatfullforward: "As a neutral I think Roscommon have been an absolute revelation over the past ten years. I remember us beating yee in a Div 4 final in Croke Park and to see what yee have achieved since is total admiration from most counties. The Cork game on the road cost yee even though it shouldn't have. I hope Davy stays with yee." Thanks for that positive post Inatfullforward. As a neutral, at least you live in the real world (unbiased & not selective historical thinking) and can see that major ongoing progress has been made since we lost the division 4 final to Longford in 2011. I was at that game and remember it well. Paul Barden who was a fantastic footballer and would get on most teams in the country, had a fantastic game for Longford.
Hopefully Roscommon will continue to progress under Davy Burke and his management team in the next couple of years. Division 1 should be really interesting and challenging next year with Dublin & Derry back in the division. It will be interesting to see how both of those teams get on at the weekend.
letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 728 - 26/06/2023 15:59:34
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So disappointing to watch the quarter final draw this morning without Roscommon in it. I really thought we'd be there. There seemed to be a touch of steel about this team in Castlebar on Easter Sunday and going toe to toe with Dublin in Croke Park. But when it came to the business end same old Roscommon. Same as the team that collapsed against Clare last Summer. A draw against Kildare would have given us a home game against Monaghan . We couldn't do it. Another chance in Cork and we couldn't do it. Both matches lost by a point in injury time. Davy Burke was appointed late and he's done his best and given us some good days. Hopefully with him having a full season with Roscommon next year, he can get the team to the next level and move on from these depressing one point defeats and last 12 exits because I really think we're capable of better.
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Replying To endgame: "So disappointing to watch the quarter final draw this morning without Roscommon in it. I really thought we'd be there. There seemed to be a touch of steel about this team in Castlebar on Easter Sunday and going toe to toe with Dublin in Croke Park. But when it came to the business end same old Roscommon. Same as the team that collapsed against Clare last Summer. A draw against Kildare would have given us a home game against Monaghan . We couldn't do it. Another chance in Cork and we couldn't do it. Both matches lost by a point in injury time. Davy Burke was appointed late and he's done his best and given us some good days. Hopefully with him having a full season with Roscommon next year, he can get the team to the next level and move on from these depressing one point defeats and last 12 exits because I really think we're capable of better." I would love to see Davy get 2024 with a full squad to pick from. A big problem each winter for counties like Roscommon is players dropping off the panel which they're well entitled to do. Is it likely that all of this years panel will commit for next year again or will there be retirements? Will Harney, R Daly return to the panel? Hopefully Heneghan is fit enough to play a part in Glaveys club campaign. The experience of div 1 football this year will bring on the likes of Cregg, Doyle, BOC hugely and I feel if we had everyone fit and available it would be massive.
Primrose_and_blue (Roscommon) - Posts: 69 - 26/06/2023 17:55:30
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "I would love to see Davy get 2024 with a full squad to pick from. A big problem each winter for counties like Roscommon is players dropping off the panel which they're well entitled to do. Is it likely that all of this years panel will commit for next year again or will there be retirements? Will Harney, R Daly return to the panel? Hopefully Heneghan is fit enough to play a part in Glaveys club campaign. The experience of div 1 football this year will bring on the likes of Cregg, Doyle, BOC hugely and I feel if we had everyone fit and available it would be massive." Niall Daly and Niall Kilroy would be our oldest players both turning 32 this year.
If they were Monaghan players they'd be there for another 4 tears!!
I hope Ciaráin and Donie can give it another go.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 26/06/2023 18:58:38
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "I would love to see Davy get 2024 with a full squad to pick from. A big problem each winter for counties like Roscommon is players dropping off the panel which they're well entitled to do. Is it likely that all of this years panel will commit for next year again or will there be retirements? Will Harney, R Daly return to the panel? Hopefully Heneghan is fit enough to play a part in Glaveys club campaign. The experience of div 1 football this year will bring on the likes of Cregg, Doyle, BOC hugely and I feel if we had everyone fit and available it would be massive." think Davy has done a good job in first season, competitive in every game, Mulloolly and Compton along with Harney and R Daly would strengthen squad if they decided to opt in. Few subs not used this year like Cunnane and Fallon so do not know much about them. Challenge also to keep players that are there this year.
roscommon1944 (Roscommon) - Posts: 275 - 26/06/2023 19:58:58
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "I would love to see Davy get 2024 with a full squad to pick from. A big problem each winter for counties like Roscommon is players dropping off the panel which they're well entitled to do. Is it likely that all of this years panel will commit for next year again or will there be retirements? Will Harney, R Daly return to the panel? Hopefully Heneghan is fit enough to play a part in Glaveys club campaign. The experience of div 1 football this year will bring on the likes of Cregg, Doyle, BOC hugely and I feel if we had everyone fit and available it would be massive." We have 7/8 lads from that i20 team ready to go. If we keep everyone and add them lads we are in a serious position for next year. Future is extremely bright for us and Davy Burke has talent to work with
dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1236 - 26/06/2023 20:42:59
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Replying To Primrose_and_blue: "Having had a day to reflect, overall it's very disappointing to go out in the manner we did.
We have definitely improved in some aspects this year and are tougher to play against for sure. However since our win over Armagh in mid February, we've only won 3 games against a Donegal in disarray, Mayo who were sitting ducks after the league final and a div 4 Sligo team. We didn't deserve a quarter final place and can have no complaints.
The timing of the run is definitely something that will have to be looked at by management next year. I posted on here last winter that the Connacht championship is now an FBD equivalent and needs to be treated as such. Galway are out of the championship tonight as Connacht winners which says it all.
We've definitely tightened up at the back but the concession of one sloppy goal each game is costing us big time. Yesterdays was as bad as any as it was 5 defenders on 2 attackers and a goal should never have happened. We're also not ruthless enough when we turnover the opposition, our transition in those situations is very ponderous whereas cork moved the ball very fast for their winner.
Thanks to the team and management for their efforts this year and looking forward to 2024 in div 1 again. Hopefully we can get a few players back and have a full strength panel to pick from." Do you think Roscommon peaked to soon?
Having a Connacht q final v Mayo meant they aimed their training around that 2 weeks (Mayo and Galway), when they should have focused on peaking in June.
If I was the Roscommon manager, I would be working towards winning the national league next year.
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Replying To tirawleybaron: "Do you think Roscommon peaked to soon?
Having a Connacht q final v Mayo meant they aimed their training around that 2 weeks (Mayo and Galway), when they should have focused on peaking in June.
If I was the Roscommon manager, I would be working towards winning the national league next year." I think we put so much into the league and Mayo game we nearly ran out of steam.
I wouldn't say peaked too soon though, just didn't get the rub of the green. Had Diarmuid's shot at the very end of the Dublin game gone over and didn't just tailed off, we'd have won by a point and would have been straight into the quarters! All if's and but, but we aren't a million miles off the mark.
Still so disappointed to have got knocked out, there would be such a buzz around the county if we had the Derry game on Sunday to look forward to, but hopefully this drives the lads on for next year (Again)!!
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