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Replying To BaldyBadger:  "Funny enough, I thought the opposite and that score generally had to work so hard for scores because we lack scoring forwards, whereas I thought Roscommon worked their scores and chances easier. I really think in the first half, Roscommon worked excellent scoring chances but refused to shoot, endlessly recycling. I think you had the players to take a few of those shots and convert, which would have given you a decent lead at half time. The five minute spell before half time breathed life into Cork, because before that, there was only going to be one winner.
Anyway, I think Roscommon are sn excellent group of players and will be even stronger next year. Good luck to you. You are great fans and real football people."
You are 100% correct about the 5 minute spell. If Ros had gone in with a 3 or 4 point lead it was a very different game. Instead Cork went in with their tails up and the home crowd roaring them off the field, it gave Cork a massive lift

D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 24/06/2023 22:21:01    2488960

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Replying To endgame:  "I wonder is Davy Burke's style more effective against the better teams. We beat Mayo in Castlebar and drew with the Dubs in Croke park but we were very ordinary against Sligo, Kildare and against Cork today. It's very disappointing not to even make the quarter finals. A good League campaign and good results against Mayo and the Dubs who were top teams but we're out today beaten by a team who were beaten themselves by Clare only a few weeks ago. It is the hope that kills. I had a feeling that we might get to a semi final this year but not to be. Of course we thank players and management for their efforts but one also has to look with a critical eye and without the brilliant Enda Smith, we'd be very poor indeed. As someone else said here, we can't win a throw in at the start of either half. We have no midfield. We're well short and new blood will be needed next year if we're to progress. I don't feel much better than after last year's debacle against Clare. We keep losing one point games because we're not good enough. Today, last week, last year."
Losing T O'Rourke was a blow considering how well he played in the league and when we were already without Harney. Hopefully both will be available next year. This year can only bring on the likes of Doyle and Ruane. Agree on Enda. He's so direct and strong and is one of our few players who can break through tackles. C McKeon is also brilliant at running direct. The likes of B O'Carroll and D Cregg have great potential.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 24/06/2023 23:15:01    2488970

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Disappointing end to our year but it what it is. Thanks to the efforts the lads put in all year, just ran out of steam I think towards the end of it. Loads to build on for next year. Congrats to Cork, fantastic stadium and lovely genuine people down there and at the game today , would love to see ye do well next weekend

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 24/06/2023 23:21:27    2488971

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Replying To dave1988:  "Just watch the Conor Daly incident back and it's extremely harsh he actually throw or over carry. Still better team won with more direct fast attacking play"
Going by the rule book what Conor Daly did was fine, it could well have been Roscommon winning by one point if that play was allowed to develop and a very different narrative then.

That was a Cork team that beat Mayo by 3 points last weekend and really deserved something out of the Kerry game which was lost by 2 and lost on debatable penalty. Cork look in top shape in physical stakes and fitness but out again next week is a tall task against a rested opponent.

Enda Smith has been Roscommon most consistent performer in the championship this year, the two Murtaghs couldnt have done much more with 0-11 between them but that goal chance not taken was another turning point along with only leading by 1 at half time.

Too many mistakes in defence is what cost Roscommon the most, many of them a direct result and reaction of tired bodies and minds.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 24/06/2023 23:47:14    2488975

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Replying To endgame:  "I wonder is Davy Burke's style more effective against the better teams. We beat Mayo in Castlebar and drew with the Dubs in Croke park but we were very ordinary against Sligo, Kildare and against Cork today. It's very disappointing not to even make the quarter finals. A good League campaign and good results against Mayo and the Dubs who were top teams but we're out today beaten by a team who were beaten themselves by Clare only a few weeks ago. It is the hope that kills. I had a feeling that we might get to a semi final this year but not to be. Of course we thank players and management for their efforts but one also has to look with a critical eye and without the brilliant Enda Smith, we'd be very poor indeed. As someone else said here, we can't win a throw in at the start of either half. We have no midfield. We're well short and new blood will be needed next year if we're to progress. I don't feel much better than after last year's debacle against Clare. We keep losing one point games because we're not good enough. Today, last week, last year."
They say a GAA fan is often the harshest critic of his own team, in the same way a wife is the harshest critic of her husband.

You have a bit of that going on here.

Plenty of talent in Roscommon, lots of good underage teams the last few years.
There is a mentality issue at the minute, which is reflected in not being able to take out a big team outside of Mayo and Galway.

Should have won yesterday if someone had just went for it. That will come with experience of losing tight matches

tirawleybaron (Mayo) - Posts: 1382 - 25/06/2023 06:42:35    2488990

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A harsh call on Daly. I'm sorry to see Roscommon go after real progress under a great young manager. Connacht getting obliterated with this draw! One more of us will be gone tonight (hoping that's Mayo!!).

togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 1048 - 25/06/2023 08:14:41    2488994

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As a supporter who has traveled all over the country to support the team I'm distraught after yesterdays loss, I can't imagine how the players and mgmt team felt. I'm so proud to support these players as they give it their all, they were so close this season in moving into the next level, unfortuntely they were not able to grasp it. Too many players struggled mentally when it comes to the crunch which will need to be addressed . The mgmt team will need to have a plan B, hopefully they can find a few new players as I can see a few retiring after today. Todays lost will feel raw for a while but they will regroup and come back next year. Thanks lads for the annual rollercoaster year supporting the rossies, see you in 2024.

imformed (Roscommon) - Posts: 196 - 25/06/2023 08:19:05    2488995

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Replying To MachaireConnacht:  "Unfortunately that is going to be our level until the county board can finance fitness and conditioning to levels needed to compete with the bigger teams. Cork a Div 2 team are ahead of us on that front."
The big issue the county board have is the lack of a proper system for developing coaches in the County, this issue is in every club throughout the County. We dont have good enough coaches / managers in the clubs to develop enough players to compete at the very top level. Fitness and conditioning are huge but you need the skills to be developed at club level first which is clearly not happening with the players we are producing. The standard of the coaches we have at underage level is not at the required standard .

imformed (Roscommon) - Posts: 196 - 25/06/2023 08:38:37    2488997

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Replying To endgame:  "The kick outs were a problem in the second half. We're not good enough at midfield so Carroll wasn't going long when Cork pressed and Cork intercepted a number of our short kick outs. That improved when Keith Doyle came on and he caught some good long ball. Always tough to lose by a point but the same thing happened last week and last year against Clare so it's not just bad luck. We need more players and hopefully they'll come through next year. Daire Cregg was good when he came on. We need Ultan Harney back. Davy Burke will learn from this year and perhaps we'll see a more attacking Roscommon next year. Roscommon were woefully lacking in ideas when in possession in injury time when we had a chance to win the game. Best of luck to Cork next week. They were just that bit better today and deserved the win. Enda Smith deserves a mention. He has been outstanding in this championship and hopefully Roscommon going out at last 12 stage won't impact his chances of at least getting an All star nomination if not an award."
Agree with all that.
The lack of ideas at the end...most of our scores from play are fine individual efforts rather than teamwork.
While defence was a priority this year attack has to be worked on next year plus fitness/conditioning of course.

Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 2293 - 25/06/2023 08:48:51    2488999

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Replying To D.Hyde:  "You are 100% correct about the 5 minute spell. If Ros had gone in with a 3 or 4 point lead it was a very different game. Instead Cork went in with their tails up and the home crowd roaring them off the field, it gave Cork a massive lift"
We all got excited with beating Mayo in Castlebar and drawing with Dublin in Croke. Such an impressive steel to those performances. We had the Dubs chasing shadows. I was dreaming of an All Ireland Final or semi at least. It's all ended in a whimper. We couldn't beat two very ordinary average teams in Kildare and Cork. We couldn't get past the last 12. Didn't even make the quarter finals. When the must win matches came along, Roscommon lost. No better than last year when Clare rather then Cork knocked us out by a point. A very disappointing end to a season that gave Roscommon people hope only to have those hopes dashed. New Manager. Same old.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2402 - 25/06/2023 09:25:35    2489009

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Replying To endgame:  "We all got excited with beating Mayo in Castlebar and drawing with Dublin in Croke. Such an impressive steel to those performances. We had the Dubs chasing shadows. I was dreaming of an All Ireland Final or semi at least. It's all ended in a whimper. We couldn't beat two very ordinary average teams in Kildare and Cork. We couldn't get past the last 12. Didn't even make the quarter finals. When the must win matches came along, Roscommon lost. No better than last year when Clare rather then Cork knocked us out by a point. A very disappointing end to a season that gave Roscommon people hope only to have those hopes dashed. New Manager. Same old."
Keep the faith! Look I could be proved wrong but I think that Cork team are ahead of Clare last year and are a team on the up. I know Clare bet them earlier on but you don't know how teams were going in their training regimes this year and what stage they were planning on peaking for. It looks like Cork were peaking for the round robin now. How Cork get on in the next round will tell a lot and I think they will put it up to whoever they do get. It's a pity the prelim winning teams don't get a weeks break before the quaters. I would be putting Cork and Armagh as favourites for promotion from Div 2 next year. I would actually love to see Cork get Armagh in the quarters.

MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1000 - 25/06/2023 10:11:44    2489024

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Replying To endgame:  "We all got excited with beating Mayo in Castlebar and drawing with Dublin in Croke. Such an impressive steel to those performances. We had the Dubs chasing shadows. I was dreaming of an All Ireland Final or semi at least. It's all ended in a whimper. We couldn't beat two very ordinary average teams in Kildare and Cork. We couldn't get past the last 12. Didn't even make the quarter finals. When the must win matches came along, Roscommon lost. No better than last year when Clare rather then Cork knocked us out by a point. A very disappointing end to a season that gave Roscommon people hope only to have those hopes dashed. New Manager. Same old."
Quarter final appearance along with 3rd place finish in Div 1 would have equalled a very good year for Roscommon matter of fact when did Roscommon last perform well in Div 1 and reach the last 8 of the championship in the same year?

Reaching All Ireland Final or semi was certaining dreaming and losing sight that Div 2 teams are well capable of putting it up to Div 1 teams in the championship as Cork proved against Mayo last week and Kildare inches away from taking Monaghan out.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 25/06/2023 10:24:46    2489030

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Replying To endgame:  "We all got excited with beating Mayo in Castlebar and drawing with Dublin in Croke. Such an impressive steel to those performances. We had the Dubs chasing shadows. I was dreaming of an All Ireland Final or semi at least. It's all ended in a whimper. We couldn't beat two very ordinary average teams in Kildare and Cork. We couldn't get past the last 12. Didn't even make the quarter finals. When the must win matches came along, Roscommon lost. No better than last year when Clare rather then Cork knocked us out by a point. A very disappointing end to a season that gave Roscommon people hope only to have those hopes dashed. New Manager. Same old."
I would disagree. Last year we went out to Clare after a very poor showing in a Connacht Final. This year we have been competitive in every game. Lost by 4 points to Galway, a ball hitting a post and dropping into comers hand in front of the goal! One mistake against Dublin gave them a goal. If we had won that game we wouldn't have been playing yesterday! Very small margins. Our game needs developing, there is no doubt, need to be able to vary our play and go direct when needed. Cork and Kildare beat us by running at us. We rarely done that this year. I'm certainly still fully behind Davy and his crew. He came in late, maybe he played this system to make us more resilient and give us a base to be in a position to nick a one or two point win. Unfortunately we have come out the other side of those results. Now that he knows the players better and has time to work on it, I'm hoping we will see something different next year.

D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 25/06/2023 10:30:05    2489033

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Will we have many retiring after yesterday? Need to keep as many as possible to try build on this year. Diarmuid was absolutely distraught after it yesterday, hoping it's not because he's thinking of leaving. He's put in such an incredible shift this year as have they all. None of them owe anything to us, but I'd be disappointed to see any of them going. A lot of miles on the clock for a lot of the lads, even though they're only approaching their 30's it feels like they've been around forever

TobeaRossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 164 - 25/06/2023 10:55:01    2489045

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Replying To Gaa_lover:  "Quarter final appearance along with 3rd place finish in Div 1 would have equalled a very good year for Roscommon matter of fact when did Roscommon last perform well in Div 1 and reach the last 8 of the championship in the same year?

Reaching All Ireland Final or semi was certaining dreaming and losing sight that Div 2 teams are well capable of putting it up to Div 1 teams in the championship as Cork proved against Mayo last week and Kildare inches away from taking Monaghan out."
It's all about the championship. Roscommon have performed poorly again when it matters. In Late June not early February. However Davy Burke came in late in November which made it difficult for him. I'd hope for a lot better next year. I doubt there'll be retirements. Diarmuid Murtagh is only around 30 I think. Next year is a big year for this Roscommon team.Hopefully Ultan Harney back,( we're struggling at midfield bigtime) ,the 2021 U20 players like Ben O'Carroll , Keith Doyle and Daire Cregg getting stronger and Davy Burke having a full season in charge. We'd surely need to be getting beyond the last 12 stage in the championship next year.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2402 - 25/06/2023 11:58:28    2489054

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Replying To TobeaRossie:  "Will we have many retiring after yesterday? Need to keep as many as possible to try build on this year. Diarmuid was absolutely distraught after it yesterday, hoping it's not because he's thinking of leaving. He's put in such an incredible shift this year as have they all. None of them owe anything to us, but I'd be disappointed to see any of them going. A lot of miles on the clock for a lot of the lads, even though they're only approaching their 30's it feels like they've been around forever"
Ya we need to keep everyone and hopefully we do. We can add 5/6 very good footballers to that team and be stronger better conditioned next year

dave1988 (Roscommon) - Posts: 1236 - 25/06/2023 11:59:47    2489055

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Replying To endgame:  "It's all about the championship. Roscommon have performed poorly again when it matters. In Late June not early February. However Davy Burke came in late in November which made it difficult for him. I'd hope for a lot better next year. I doubt there'll be retirements. Diarmuid Murtagh is only around 30 I think. Next year is a big year for this Roscommon team.Hopefully Ultan Harney back,( we're struggling at midfield bigtime) ,the 2021 U20 players like Ben O'Carroll , Keith Doyle and Daire Cregg getting stronger and Davy Burke having a full season in charge. We'd surely need to be getting beyond the last 12 stage in the championship next year."
Championship is where the season ends but it's not all about it. Pre season including the winter long training and preparation is important as new players and system are mostly trialled there.

Don't have to be winning league silverware but good league result and performances builds confidence going into the championship, Cork for example held their own against the best two in Div 2 in Derry and Dublin.

As for performed poorly would you have the same opinion if Roscommon had beaten kildare, Cork by 1 point. Performed competitively all year and unfortunately on the wrong side of narrow defeats. Armagh lost penalty shootouts to Galway last year and Derry this year but in their most recent game they were on the right side of a competitive contest.

Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3609 - 25/06/2023 12:47:53    2489063

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Replying To D.Hyde:  "I would disagree. Last year we went out to Clare after a very poor showing in a Connacht Final. This year we have been competitive in every game. Lost by 4 points to Galway, a ball hitting a post and dropping into comers hand in front of the goal! One mistake against Dublin gave them a goal. If we had won that game we wouldn't have been playing yesterday! Very small margins. Our game needs developing, there is no doubt, need to be able to vary our play and go direct when needed. Cork and Kildare beat us by running at us. We rarely done that this year. I'm certainly still fully behind Davy and his crew. He came in late, maybe he played this system to make us more resilient and give us a base to be in a position to nick a one or two point win. Unfortunately we have come out the other side of those results. Now that he knows the players better and has time to work on it, I'm hoping we will see something different next year."
Good post D.Hyde. I agree with everything you said and certainly once again disagree with endgame. Roscommon were 100/1 at the start of the year and have certainly made good progress this year under Davy Burke and his team. We have been very competitive in every game we played this year. I personally am very disappointed for the players who have put in a huge effort again this year. We are a small county with a very small playing population and many of these players have put in years of dedication and pride playing for Roscommon and given us some great days out.
For example, next year (2024) it will be 12 years since our 2012 under 21 All Ireland team included, David Murray, Conor Daly, Niall Daly, Niall Kilroy, Cian Connolly Donie Smith, and Ciaran Murtagh. The 2014 All Ireland final team included Colm Lavin, David Murray, Ronan Daly, Conor Daly, Ultan Harney, Enda Smith, Diarmuid Murtagh and Donie Smith.
I hope every one of those players take time out and reflect before making any rushed decision about playing for the Rossies again next year. We supporters really appreciate your continued efforts and hope to see each and every one of you playing for the Rossies again next year. Enjoy you well derved break for a few months. I am proud of all of you and proud to wear the Jersey supporting you.

letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 728 - 25/06/2023 12:57:19    2489067

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Good post D.Hyde. I agree with everything you said and certainly once again disagree with endgame. Roscommon were 100/1 at the start of the year and have certainly made good progress this year under Davy Burke and his team. We have been very competitive in every game we played this year. I personally am very disappointed for the players who have put in a huge effort again this year. We are a small county with a very small playing population and many of these players have put in years of dedication and pride playing for Roscommon and given us some great days out.
For example, next year (2024) it will be 12 years since our 2012 under 21 All Ireland team included, David Murray, Conor Daly, Niall Daly, Niall Kilroy, Cian Connolly Donie Smith, and Ciaran Murtagh. The 2014 All Ireland final team included Colm Lavin, David Murray, Ronan Daly, Conor Daly, Ultan Harney, Enda Smith, Diarmuid Murtagh and Donie Smith.
I hope every one of those players take time out and reflect before making any rushed decision about playing for the Rossies again next year. We supporters really appreciate your continued efforts and hope to see each and every one of you playing for the Rossies again next year. Enjoy you well derved break for a few months. I am proud of all of you and proud to wear the Jersey supporting you."
We rarely agree Letsgetgoing. I hope the players you mention there don't reflect for too long and that they play again for Roscommon next year. It's a great honour to represent your county. We have teams that reached All Ireland U21/20 Finals in 2012, 2014 and 2021 and some of those players are near the end of their senior careers and some are just starting out but we need a blend of all of them for 2024. I never go with the poor mouth that Yerra Roscommon is a small county and aren't we doing great altogether to be competing at all. I'm ambitious for my county to win and I critically question why when they don't. Roscommon is the smallest population County ever to win the All Ireland senior football championship. Roscommon has a great gaa tradition and great supporters. We've produced some off the greatest players to grace the game Dermot Earley, Harry Keegan, Gerry O'Malley, Liam Gilmartin and many more. Yes I got excited when we won in Castlebar at Easter and drew in Croke park. Yes I thought of All Ireland semi finals and Derek Duggan's goal in 1991 and I dreamed. And yes I'm disappointed today. But I'll never Pat Roscommon players on the back for just competing. I want more than that. I want them to win for Roscommon , to bring Sam back to Roscommon or go close and already I'm casting a thought forward to 2024.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2402 - 25/06/2023 13:40:26    2489085

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Replying To letsgetgoing:  "Good post D.Hyde. I agree with everything you said and certainly once again disagree with endgame. Roscommon were 100/1 at the start of the year and have certainly made good progress this year under Davy Burke and his team. We have been very competitive in every game we played this year. I personally am very disappointed for the players who have put in a huge effort again this year. We are a small county with a very small playing population and many of these players have put in years of dedication and pride playing for Roscommon and given us some great days out.
For example, next year (2024) it will be 12 years since our 2012 under 21 All Ireland team included, David Murray, Conor Daly, Niall Daly, Niall Kilroy, Cian Connolly Donie Smith, and Ciaran Murtagh. The 2014 All Ireland final team included Colm Lavin, David Murray, Ronan Daly, Conor Daly, Ultan Harney, Enda Smith, Diarmuid Murtagh and Donie Smith.
I hope every one of those players take time out and reflect before making any rushed decision about playing for the Rossies again next year. We supporters really appreciate your continued efforts and hope to see each and every one of you playing for the Rossies again next year. Enjoy you well derved break for a few months. I am proud of all of you and proud to wear the Jersey supporting you."
I would be hopeful we won't see anyone step away. Obviously I'm not an inter county player and I'm not putting in the huge dedication and commitment but I get the feeling from listening to Davy that he is the kind of man you would want to be soldiering with. I hope I'm right and that the likes of Ultan and Ronan Daly (if possible) see that and want to be a part of it with him.
Also I'd like to wish Donie well in his recovery, hopefully his injury won't impact his club championship and he's ready to go.

D.Hyde (Roscommon) - Posts: 269 - 25/06/2023 13:40:54    2489086

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