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As good as the performance was against Mayo we still have a weakness early in games. Not as bad as the league but Mayo could have had two goals in the first ten minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if Galway go for the jugular early on and try to force us to chase the game. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 21/04/2023 21:51:32 2472295 Link 0 |
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We spent mostOf last 20 Years years being successful at underage but never really translated into senior success Couple of Connacht titles but never won a championship game in croke park - Not saying underage development not important but a few years of focusing on the senior team might be no harm either Sligo /offaly following the Ross template of investing in underage structures doesn't automatically Translate into senior team success Looking forward to what this team Davy and mark m Hugh do Over the next 2 years - I'm 44 a championship win in croke park I've never seen and is the start of what we need ! rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 21/04/2023 23:26:52 2472304 Link 0 |
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We reached All Ireland U21 Finals in 2012 and 2014. A lot of those players won senior Connacht medals in 2017 and 2019 and many of them play against Galway tomorrow. The Murtaghs, the Smiths, Davy Murray and of course three starters tomorrow from the team that reached the U20 Final in 2021 Conor Carroll, Keith Doyle and Ben O'Carroll. Roscommon need to be successful at underage and it's disappointing that we seem to have slipped back particularly at minor. Players like Enda Smith and Diarmuid Murtagh are in their prime and were outstanding in Castlebar. Our golden generation but Roscommon have underachieved over the last few years with the talent available.I agree we need to get to Croke park and win a championship game there, something we haven't done for 43 years which is an unbelievable statistic for a gaa county like Roscommon.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 22/04/2023 07:19:41 2472311 Link 0 |
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I'd love to onow what the Roscommon underage template is. As I've said previously we are 5th in Connacht with our underage structure. Our full time S&C coach has now left to join Offaly. From not fielding in Ted Webb awhile back to not winning u20 or minor games. Until proper structure is put in place and until someone actually cares enough to invest in it, we will remain at the bottom. reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 22/04/2023 10:24:58 2472334 Link 0 |
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First to get one monkey off our backs tomorrow! We haven't bet Galway in the Hyde in Championship since 1990. The Croker one later in the year hopefully. Also hopefully a 1st Semi Final appearance since 1991. Around 20 Counties have played in AI semis since then including Leitrim! Our underage plan, if we've got one at all, nowadays seems to be throw an oul panel together. Then hopefully the best players will stand out and will make it into the Senior panel in due course. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1419 - 22/04/2023 11:10:41 2472344 Link 0 |
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The importance of putting effective resources and good management into our underage structures and systems cannot be over estimated. Mentioning our Roscommon 2012 and 2014 All Ireland under 21 teams brought back many happy memories. The Dublin under 21 teams were managed by Jim Gavin (2012) and Dessie Farrell (2014). Nigel Dineen managed both the Roscommon teams in 2012 & 2014. The Dublin under 21 team of 2014 would have to go down in history as best underage team that ever togged. Roscommon were very unfortunate to come up against two fantastic Dublin teams in both 2014 & 2012. When you look at the names shown below, the importance of properly scouting, selecting, developing and keeping good underage players speaks for itself. Dublin 2014 (Manager Dessie Farrell) Lorcan Molloy, Ross McGowan, David Byrne, Robbie McDaid, Eric Lowdnes, John Small, Jack McCaffrey, Paddy O'Higgins, Brian Fenton, Nially Scully, Shane Boland, Conor Mullally, Paul Mannion, Cormac Costello, Conor McHugh. Subs used: E.O'Conghaile, G. Hannigan, C Ivory, S. Cunningham, N. Walsh Roscommon 2014 (Manager Nigel Dineen) Colm Lavin, Cathal Kenny, Sean Mullooly, David Murray, Ronan Daly, John McManus, Conor Daly, Ultan Harney, Thomas Corcoran, Ciaran Kilcline, Mark Healy, Enda Smith, Diarmuid Murtagh, Mark Nally, Donie Smith. Subs used: N. McInerney, M. Gunning, T. Featherson, A. Gleeson, S. Flynn. Dublin 2012 (Manager Jim Galvin) J. Carthy, M. Concarr, K. O'Brien, S. George, L. Fletcher, J. Kelly, J. McCaffrey, E. O'Conghaile, C. Reddin, D. Byrne, G. Sweeney, M. Schutte, C. Kilkenny, P. Ryan, P Hudson. Subs used: P. Mannion, P. Maguire, G. Seaver, H. Dawson, P. O'Higgins. Roscommon 2012 (Manager Nigel Dineen) T. Lowe, C. Cafferkey, C. Duignan, D. Murray, C. Daly, P. Brogan, R. Stack, C. Shine, N. Daly,S. Oates, N. Kilroy, D. Keane, C. Connolly, C. Compton, D. Smith. Subs used: C. Murtagh, J. McManus, F. Cregg, F. Kelly. Having talent is one thing, but properly developing talent over time (under 16 - minor - under 20 - senior) into effective teams needs multiple skills (hard & soft) and expertise also. For a very small playing population, I think that Roscommon GAA , managers, coaches and players deserve great credit. Hopefully there are many good days still to come. letsgetgoing (Roscommon) - Posts: 506 - 22/04/2023 11:46:12 2472356 Link 1 |
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Thanks a million. Yeah, the abbey was always nice. Might try it for auld times sake.
togoutlads (Galway) - Posts: 903 - 22/04/2023 12:34:05 2472364 Link 0 |
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Yes and we have such a poor championship record at home in recent years. Roscommon haven't won a Connacht title in Hyde park for 22 years, haven't beaten Mayo in The Hyde since the same day and we haven't beaten Galway at home for 33 years. That contrasts with two Connacht Final wins over Galway in Salthill in the last six years and two wins over Mayo in Castlebar in the last four years. Hopefully we can turn it around tomorrow. It'll be tough because Galway are a good and improving team who want to get back to an All Ireland Final. There's a steel and solidity though about Roscommon under Davy Burke so best of luck to players and management tomorrow.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 22/04/2023 12:44:42 2472371 Link 1 |
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True it doesn't automatically mean senior success but when you compare the consistent top 10 place of Roscommon over the past ten years and a few Connacht titles to show is stark contrast with the years after 91 bar a couple of years. Galway and Mayo have been consistently good at underage. Also the top ulster teams. I would worry if we are actually putting much into underage. 1 minor Connacht in the past ten years. By next year we will possibly will only have one u20 Connacht in ten years. I do agree though the at senior we need to push to the next level and get a Croker win. MachaireConnacht (Roscommon) - Posts: 784 - 22/04/2023 14:56:06 2472405 Link 0 |
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Anyone recommend somewhere to park as you're coming into Roscommon town from the Galway side? galwayman2 (Galway) - Posts: 1241 - 22/04/2023 15:26:26 2472413 Link 0 |
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If coming from Athleague direction, turn down Ballinagard Rd. Park in government offices right outside gare to stand side. Leave the same way and totally avoids the town.
reffingmad (Roscommon) - Posts: 371 - 22/04/2023 16:12:29 2472420 Link 0 |
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I do wonder with you Roscommon supporters and such odd remarks. Roscommon winning a "couple of Connacht titles" and playing in Div 1 or winning the Div 2 titles in the last nine years equals that the success at underage has translated into senior success! Without that work done at underage Roscommon would be around the same level as your neighbours Longford,Offaly down in Div 3 and not knowing if they are coming or going. Gaa_lover (USA) - Posts: 3347 - 22/04/2023 19:01:50 2472488 Link 3 |
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Can we concentrate on the game tomorrow as suppose to giving directions on parking, underage etc!!?? You would think it's a friendly tomorrow! hontherossie (Roscommon) - Posts: 100 - 22/04/2023 19:14:59 2472492 Link 0 |
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With that record in Hyde Park you shouldn't be left too surprised with Galway winning tomorrow. Wouldn't feel too downbeat if it does happen as i would expect this Roscommon team to give the All-Ireland group stages a good rattle
Yondu (UK) - Posts: 845 - 22/04/2023 19:15:38 2472495 Link 0 |
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Yes it's bad and disappointing that we haven't won in Croke Park but to claim what we did at underage 2006 to 2021 hasn't translated into senior success misinformed. In the years ahead If Sligo seniors get what we have gotten out of our underage success they will be delighted. Some perspective never goes amiss. To keep at our current level which is a Div 1 league team and top 8 championship team it is vital that underage success is obtained in the next five years. Our U17s teams the last two years haven't been strong teams no real surprise haven't seen them in action at U15 and U16 level but we should have done better at U20 level with the pick of strong U17 teams in 2020,2021 though i still expect us to get established senior our of our last two U20 teams are plenty of talented players on those teams. The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 22/04/2023 19:38:49 2472503 Link 1 |
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Winning a Connacht title or two is great getting hammered in a qtr final or super eights takes the gloss off the lot of it - we need to be competitive with top teams outside of Connacht and win a game in croke park that is all - not an odd remark at all ! Now Good luck to all involved tomorrow - rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 22/04/2023 20:05:58 2472515 Link 1 |
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I find it surprising that our minor team for the first two matches against Mayo and Galway didn't have a St. Brigid's player on the team or even on the panel of 26. I'd have thought that Brigid's have the best underage structures in Roscommon and that the club would be supplying a number of players to the county minor team. I see that over on the Leitrim page, they think that Roscommon minors are poor this year and expect Leitrim who drew with Sligo to win on their visit to The Hyde.
endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2164 - 22/04/2023 20:54:52 2472530 Link 0 |
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Top 8 championship team ? we were beaten by Clare last year - a fine team well coached but hardly top 8 in the country Anyway Your missing my point which is we don't have the resources available to keep All sides going - a focus on the senior set up for a few years with the talent that has undoubtedly come through from our underage success and see where they gets us I don't think is a bad thing ! rossy15 (Roscommon) - Posts: 617 - 22/04/2023 22:11:05 2472566 Link 0 |
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Yes top 8 yes and I'd rank us 7th or 8th at best. Hence why we have struggled in the super 8s and if not on our game can get beaten by 12 top team like Clare. I don't believe I missed any point, Your point on purpose or not was to belittle was we have achieved at senior thanks mostly to the good work firstly done at underage. Underage success here and there is still important and we got that recently with good minor teams in 2020/21 and U21s 2021 and it will be important to pick up another few Connacht underage titles in the next 5 years if we are to maintain our current senior status in both the league and championship.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 22/04/2023 23:10:43 2472588 Link 4 |
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They were not anymore. Brigids underage teams have fallen back a good bit. U18 this year and u17s last year played in Div 2 finished mid table and their U16s are playing in Div 3. Some Leitrim lads over on their page would expect Leitrim seniors to beat us to tomorrow if we were playing them.
The_analyser (Roscommon) - Posts: 3755 - 22/04/2023 23:14:45 2472590 Link 0 |