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Why Mayo Cant Win An All-Ireland

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Replying To supersub15:  "Cannings replacement should be very interesting, I can only imagine."
Darragh Moloney is excellent (as a commentator primarily). The best person for the job, but that doesn't mean much in RTE these days.

cavanman47 (Cavan) - Posts: 4555 - 21/09/2021 12:21:16    2382033

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Replying To HuddHastings:  "Yep, hard to argue with any of that.
The horan style of football, ie serious s&c and running in waves from deep, is tried and trusted for beating the majority of teams in the country and easily overpowering connaught teams but it just isnt enough to beat the other top 3/4 teams

As you said the lack of anything resembling a half forward line is the biggest issue. AOS hasnt contributed anything in a big game, Walsh appears to be in solely because he is ballintubber and Diarmuids form seems to have dropped off a cliff this year. A classic old fashioned, playmaker at 11 would transform the team

I actually think ROD and Conroy are still on track for stellar careers and will improve, both done reasonably well in final so wouldnt write those 2 off as finals chokers

Funny thing is Mayo will find themselves in at least a semi again next year without breakin sweat given the shambles Joyce is making of the Galway job"
"Funny thing is Mayo will find themselves in at least a semi again next year without breakin sweat given the shambles Joyce is making of the Galway job"

Funnier still is the fact that both Kerry and Dublin will reach the semis next year without breaking sweat, unlike Mayo in Connacht. Apart from Munster in the hurling and Ulster in the football the provincial system has been an abject failure for years. I can't understand why the GAA hasn't changed it.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1103 - 21/09/2021 12:50:11    2382037

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Replying To baire:  ""Funny thing is Mayo will find themselves in at least a semi again next year without breakin sweat given the shambles Joyce is making of the Galway job"

Funnier still is the fact that both Kerry and Dublin will reach the semis next year without breaking sweat, unlike Mayo in Connacht. Apart from Munster in the hurling and Ulster in the football the provincial system has been an abject failure for years. I can't understand why the GAA hasn't changed it."
Change is coming. Congress next month will be interesting. Whatever happens it won't be straight knockout next year like the last two years.

I wouldn't be writing of Galway or Even Roscommon in Connacht. Them two along with ourselves can all beat each other on any given day.

yew_tree (Mayo) - Posts: 10821 - 21/09/2021 12:54:28    2382042

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Replying To supersub15:  "Cannings replacement should be very interesting, I can only imagine."
Bring back Ryle Nugent. "Dude this is so awesome. Keegan putting on the afterburners. Cometh the hour cometh the man. They'll be having a right few scoops of Heino tonight after that win. Totes anazing"

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4443 - 21/09/2021 13:16:43    2382052

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Replying To Joxer:  "Bring back Ryle Nugent. "Dude this is so awesome. Keegan putting on the afterburners. Cometh the hour cometh the man. They'll be having a right few scoops of Heino tonight after that win. Totes anazing""
Hord Yords

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 196 - 21/09/2021 13:55:57    2382065

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I posted a comment a few days before the A I final, I posted that Mayo would lose out to Tyrone by 5, 6, or 7 points in an honest way, another poster alluded to their win over Dublin meant they would be carrying a mill stone around their neck going into the final, somehow I agree that, once they beat Dublin they were the new pace setters. that was almost 7 years of unstoppable brilliance that was stopped in less than an hour. During those 6 or 7 years Mayo came back unscratched and rewrote the meaning of resilience, carrying the mantle of pace setters is not an easy task going into an A I final on those basis I made my prediction.

This loss to Tyrone may have a more telling effect on Mayo rather than those previous defeats to Dublin, it's possible they may see 3 or 4 retirements that in itself will set their work in progress back a couple of years without including any other possible issues to be dealt with, therefore, and sadly I just can't see Mayo progressing outside of Connaught for the next 2 or 3 years, I hope that is not the case but unfortunately that's the way I see it.
Continued prosperity and good luck to Mayo for the future.

Cuhullain (Kildare) - Posts: 242 - 21/09/2021 14:02:22    2382068

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Replying To timmyhogan:  "
Replying To The_Fonz:  "[quote=timmyhogan:  ".

The better team won on the day but to say that "... Tyrone team who would have beaten any team put in front of them" is as far from the truth as its possible to get. Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances.
If Monaghan (or Mayo or whoever) go into a second half leading by two points and fail to score a point till the hour mark while kicking several bad wides they are USUALLY coming home without the cup & probably on the end of a bad beating.
Tyrone won a handy All Ireland - Mayo left a handier one behind."
Did Tyrone not kick several wides in first 10-12 mins of second half? Could have been over by the second water break if they took all their chances too??"
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Yes Fonzie Tyrone did "kick several wides in first 10-12 mins of second half" and after that too. THAT was the central premise of the whole point of whatever it was my post was about.
Jaysis ;-)

Perhaps I didn't express myself with sufficient clarity.
Or maybe (3 green ticks !) this is why democracy doesn't work.
And no - a statement of the bleedin' obvious isn't disrespectful. Well not in some circles."]No you said "Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances." You also said that Mayo left a "handy" one behind.
I said If Tyrone took their chances they would have had an even handier All Ireland. You never mentioned Tyrone not taking their chances.

The_Fonz (Westmeath) - Posts: 196 - 21/09/2021 14:02:53    2382069

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Replying To The_Fonz:  "
Replying To timmyhogan:  "[quote=The_Fonz:  "[quote=timmyhogan:  ".

The better team won on the day but to say that "... Tyrone team who would have beaten any team put in front of them" is as far from the truth as its possible to get. Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances.
If Monaghan (or Mayo or whoever) go into a second half leading by two points and fail to score a point till the hour mark while kicking several bad wides they are USUALLY coming home without the cup & probably on the end of a bad beating.
Tyrone won a handy All Ireland - Mayo left a handier one behind."
Did Tyrone not kick several wides in first 10-12 mins of second half? Could have been over by the second water break if they took all their chances too??"
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Yes Fonzie Tyrone did "kick several wides in first 10-12 mins of second half" and after that too. THAT was the central premise of the whole point of whatever it was my post was about.
Jaysis ;-)

Perhaps I didn't express myself with sufficient clarity.
Or maybe (3 green ticks !) this is why democracy doesn't work.
And no - a statement of the bleedin' obvious isn't disrespectful. Well not in some circles."]No you said "Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances." You also said that Mayo left a "handy" one behind.
I said If Tyrone took their chances they would have had an even handier All Ireland. You never mentioned Tyrone not taking their chances."].


"The better team won on the day but to say that "... Tyrone team who would have beaten any team put in front of them" is as far from the truth as its possible to get. Even with their flat performance that particular Mayo team (who are hardly world beaters) would have beaten them easily IF they had taken the majority of their chances.
If Monaghan (or Mayo or whoever) go into a second half leading by two points and fail to score a point till the hour mark while kicking several bad wides they are USUALLY coming home without the cup & probably on the end of a bad beating.
Tyrone won a handy All Ireland - Mayo left a handier one behind."


Jaysis doesn't quite cover it!!
Tell me what team you think the bolded portion is referring to .
I'll give you some clues - They just won the All Ireland and are commonly referred to as Tyrone.

timmyhogan (UK) - Posts: 237 - 21/09/2021 15:27:02    2382089

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Replying To baire:  ""Funny thing is Mayo will find themselves in at least a semi again next year without breakin sweat given the shambles Joyce is making of the Galway job"

Funnier still is the fact that both Kerry and Dublin will reach the semis next year without breaking sweat, unlike Mayo in Connacht. Apart from Munster in the hurling and Ulster in the football the provincial system has been an abject failure for years. I can't understand why the GAA hasn't changed it."
The Leinster hurling championship has had 4 different winners in the last 8 years. 4 different counties have appeared in finals in the last 3 years and 3 different counties have won it in the last 4 years. Who is going to win it next year? Hows that an abject failure?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3341 - 21/09/2021 21:14:01    2382178

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Leinster hurling championship has had 4 different winners in the last 8 years. 4 different counties have appeared in finals in the last 3 years and 3 different counties have won it in the last 4 years. Who is going to win it next year? Hows that an abject failure?"
And who do you think is going to win the Connacht football title next year? And how sure are you? Agreed that the Leinster and Munster football championships look likely 1 horse races next year, although dont forget Tipp won Munster last year. But it's up to the other counties in those competitions to close the gap.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3341 - 21/09/2021 21:17:25    2382180

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Things must be quite in here when you're replying to yourself Viking lol.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1802 - 21/09/2021 22:36:09    2382202

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Replying To Viking66:  "The Leinster hurling championship has had 4 different winners in the last 8 years. 4 different counties have appeared in finals in the last 3 years and 3 different counties have won it in the last 4 years. Who is going to win it next year? Hows that an abject failure?"
The Leinster hurling championship is a misnomer, as you well know. The fact that you have two counties from two other provinces, Galway and Antrim playing in the 'Leinster Championship', and the possibility of Kerry playing there, a Munster county, clearly shows that the 'provincial system' in Leinster was a total failure. There are 12 counties in the province of Leinster, how many of them have won a Leinster hurling title? How many of them have won an All Ireland? Is it a success story?
In the interest of fairness, integrity and mutual respect, it should not be called the Leinster championship. Neither should all the games be played in Leinster nor all the refs, umpires and linesmen be from Leinster.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1103 - 22/09/2021 08:34:21    2382228

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Replying To Viking66:  "And who do you think is going to win the Connacht football title next year? And how sure are you? Agreed that the Leinster and Munster football championships look likely 1 horse races next year, although dont forget Tipp won Munster last year. But it's up to the other counties in those competitions to close the gap."
You seem to be talking to yourself there Viking! It can happen, especially in these strange times! lol

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1103 - 22/09/2021 08:43:10    2382230

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There is only one reason Mayo cant win the All Ireland, they dont score more than the opposition team do.

jacktheboy (Donegal) - Posts: 170 - 22/09/2021 10:01:02    2382253

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Replying To yew_tree:  "Vast majority of Mayo fans have congratulated and stated Tyrone were the better team and deserved the win. I've heard nobody in Mayo complain about the extra break from the semi final to final. Most actually though it would benefit us…anyway it's done now."
I was replying to a specific comment about the extra week, but yes i would agree. the post i replied to was "making" reasons why Mayo lost and cited the extra week as one.. Which Most Mayo fans would label as BS


The failure of Mayo to beat Dublin between 2013 - 2020 inclusive and in particular, now mix that with the almost unexpected success Mayo had in semi final of 2021, there lies some of the reasons for their malfunction in the 2021 All Ireland final, the pressure must have been enormous, add to that the extra week postponement of the final with Tyrone, too much time to over think and ponder

conman1282 (Tyrone) - Posts: 86 - 22/09/2021 15:28:09    2382354

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Replying To baire:  "The Leinster hurling championship is a misnomer, as you well know. The fact that you have two counties from two other provinces, Galway and Antrim playing in the 'Leinster Championship', and the possibility of Kerry playing there, a Munster county, clearly shows that the 'provincial system' in Leinster was a total failure. There are 12 counties in the province of Leinster, how many of them have won a Leinster hurling title? How many of them have won an All Ireland? Is it a success story?
In the interest of fairness, integrity and mutual respect, it should not be called the Leinster championship. Neither should all the games be played in Leinster nor all the refs, umpires and linesmen be from Leinster."
5 Leinster counties have won the Leinster hurling title and all 5 have won all Irelands. Antrim are not in the Leinster championship next year. And Galway were admitted at the request of Galway not at the request of the Leinster counties. Although personally I think it's great you are in it and also agree you should have games in Salthill which you do have and you would know that you did if you actually followed your hurlers at all. Alot of us were up in Salthill in 2019 and had a great time! Not sure why its important where the officials are from though. Kerry should play in the Munster championship if they get promoted. They've won it before.
The Leinster hurling championship is surely not a dead duck of a competition as the stats from the last few years I put up in my previous post show. And the hurling championship is structured differently from football. There are other competitions for the weaker counties to win at hurling and a defined pyramid for any county to climb.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3341 - 22/09/2021 15:37:47    2382359

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Replying To baire:  "You seem to be talking to yourself there Viking! It can happen, especially in these strange times! lol"
No hit post message by accident before I'd finished it stupid fat fingers and oversensative smart phone:-)

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3341 - 22/09/2021 15:38:53    2382362

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Here are reasons why we did and why we can again.

https://unofficialtyrone.wordpress.com/2021/09/22/thirteen-reasons-for-tyrone-fans-to-be-optimistic-about-2022/

DasRoteHand (Tyrone) - Posts: 14 - 22/09/2021 16:40:25    2382381

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Replying To Viking66:  "5 Leinster counties have won the Leinster hurling title and all 5 have won all Irelands. Antrim are not in the Leinster championship next year. And Galway were admitted at the request of Galway not at the request of the Leinster counties. Although personally I think it's great you are in it and also agree you should have games in Salthill which you do have and you would know that you did if you actually followed your hurlers at all. Alot of us were up in Salthill in 2019 and had a great time! Not sure why its important where the officials are from though. Kerry should play in the Munster championship if they get promoted. They've won it before.
The Leinster hurling championship is surely not a dead duck of a competition as the stats from the last few years I put up in my previous post show. And the hurling championship is structured differently from football. There are other competitions for the weaker counties to win at hurling and a defined pyramid for any county to climb."
I don't want to go completely off thread here but if you do some research you'll find that it was Nicky Brennan as GAA President who suggested Galway join Leinster. There was embarrassment in some circles in Leinster re KK's total dominance and also a realisation that KK needed stronger competition as preparation for an AISF and AIF.
The 10 years before Galway came into Leinster:
KK won 9 out of the 10 Leinsters. Wexford won the other!
Dublin won no Leinster in hurling from 1961-2013.
The last time Dublin won an All Ireland in hurling was 1938. And they berate Mayo's record in the football!
Laois won their All Ireland in 1915!

In the last 20 years, 5 Munster teams have contested at least one All-Ireland.
Only 1 team from Leinster and 1 team from Connacht have done so.
I rest my case! This is for another thread Viking.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1103 - 22/09/2021 17:48:40    2382397

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Replying To DasRoteHand:  "Here are reasons why we did and why we can again.

https://unofficialtyrone.wordpress.com/2021/09/22/thirteen-reasons-for-tyrone-fans-to-be-optimistic-about-2022/"
Has anyone denied that ye can do it again?
Retaining the title will be difficult, and yes, it seems that Tyrone have been bizarrely almost forgotten about in the aftermath of the final, but no one's saying you guys don't have a great future.
I'd be shocked if tyrone don't win another all Ireland in the next few years.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 951 - 22/09/2021 18:58:42    2382410

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