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Replying To tiobraid:  "Two stone wall red cards but you won't find a Tipp man looking for excuses or blaming the red for this loss like another county in munster can't stop doing for last couple of weeks.
No embarrassment either to lose to a team like limerick on a day with heat like that."
Thank you. Appreciate that from a Tipp man. Magnanimous in defeat. The only negative thing I'd say about Tipp is that they did collapse in that second half. The absolutely caved into what was big pressure. Their accuracy went...their legs went.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1540 - 18/07/2021 19:00:28    2361261

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Superb comeback by Limerick, showed true heart and grit to pull that once back. Do well to see a better goal than Kyle Hayes's this year. I'm sure it will go down well in Kildimo-Pallaskenry. Super stuff.

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1349 - 18/07/2021 19:01:31    2361263

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Replying To bloodyban:  "You're taking from the victory. It sounds like sour grapes. Gillane could have got the line yes..He didn't.
There was a man up on Kyle Hayes back in the first half...Peter casey had the shirt pulled off him...both no frees. Actually Hayes got a free against him!. I ll tell you what there ll be people down on the Limerick Tipp border and it won't be the ref they ll talk about. It'll be Limericks performance and Tipps capitulation. Tipp people don't dwell on could haves. They are real hungry people and they ll be asking questions of the team and management."
You're wrong. There'll be no big reaction from Tipp supporters for losing this one and nor there should be. Enjoy the win and leave the rest of the stuff alone.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3102 - 18/07/2021 19:07:03    2361271

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I meant 'hurling' people not hungry..

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1540 - 18/07/2021 19:07:40    2361272

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Limerick's indiscipline will cost them yet. Two reds today, no debate, they better tread carefully from now on.

Claretandblue (Westmeath) - Posts: 321 - 18/07/2021 19:12:50    2361276

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Awesome display by Limerick in the second half; skill, speed, strength, teamwork, intensity. They steamrolled Tipp.
I can't understand why Sheedy left it until Tipp were 2 points behind late in the second half to try to change things. After 5 minutes, I was thinking there is only one side in this game, winning every challenge, every free ball. After 10 (45 mins), I thought he's got to do something, Tipp were being overwhelmed. Maybe, I don't know, there was no one better to bring on, no plan B. Not taking anything away from Limerick, I have never seen a Tipp team capitulate like this. Yes, they are still in the Championship, but I think the psychological damage done today will take more than this year to heal.

Looking forward, with Limerick and Kilkenny in the semis, awaiting the outcome of the qualifiers and quarter-finals, a few teams are going to have to raise their game, especially if they meet Limerick. That said, I've always said that on the day, any of five or six counties can beat each other.

Again, well done Limerick. And on a personal level, I will be in Kilkenny on the weekend of the semi-finals. My first visit back since Covid started.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1452 - 18/07/2021 20:12:45    2361330

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "Yes and what seemed a legitimate goal was disallowed in the first half, a free was given against Kyle Hayes, when he was blatantly fouled, when almost through on goal and Peter Casey was definitely fouled on the near sideline in the first half and the ball was also picked off the ground, in the same incident, by a Tipp man and neither foul was punished and Hegarty was felled with a belt of a Tipp hurley, but he soldiered on and did make a meal and go rolling around the ground for nothing like other people did. If the ref made mistakes he did it on both sides"
The supposed foul on Kyle Hayes was not a foul. Hayes did what most players do in that situation. He grabbed the tipp players arm under his and went to ground and unusually the ref saw it. No team in the country is in a position to complain about teams getting away with fouling because all teams are constantly fouling. You get away with some and others you don't. Standard of refereeing is poor in general, but as someone once pointed out to me, you get the refs you deserve. This limerick team are incredible, and Kyle Hayes is a freak of nature, and I mean that in a good way. You would be saying to players as he is, storming through to stop him, but he is near impossible to stop in full flow. I got a text at half time from a despondent limerick friend, and I just told him, tipp would not be able to maintain that level and limerick would up it because they can and they would win by 5 plus points. He now think I'm a genius, Im actually a spoofer but he will discover that out himself in time. We'll done again to limerick. It will take some team to beat them, and I don't think that team is out there. Hard luck to tipp.

over35hurler (Cork) - Posts: 30 - 18/07/2021 20:37:09    2361341

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Replying To Claretandblue:  "Limerick's indiscipline will cost them yet. Two reds today, no debate, they better tread carefully from now on."
We have been hearing that waffle for 3 years now

Crazy game of hurling today and this is all anyone can talk about I honestly don't know why some people watch sport

Breezy (Limerick) - Posts: 1232 - 18/07/2021 21:00:44    2361358

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I was at work and didn't see the Tipp-Limerick match but I checked the score at halftime and figured it was game set and match to Tipp. A monster comeback by Limerick. I picked Tipp to win. I was wrong. I'm glad I'm not the betting type.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 1334 - 18/07/2021 21:14:52    2361374

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Limerick need to watch their discipline.
I'm not a fan of the short passing and the throwing of the ball but they're impressive in other ways.
Not the only team taking extra steps, throwing the ball or short passing of course.
Is there no CCCC anymore?

gahfan (Wexford) - Posts: 584 - 18/07/2021 21:21:19    2361380

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Replying To over35hurler:  "The supposed foul on Kyle Hayes was not a foul. Hayes did what most players do in that situation. He grabbed the tipp players arm under his and went to ground and unusually the ref saw it. No team in the country is in a position to complain about teams getting away with fouling because all teams are constantly fouling. You get away with some and others you don't. Standard of refereeing is poor in general, but as someone once pointed out to me, you get the refs you deserve. This limerick team are incredible, and Kyle Hayes is a freak of nature, and I mean that in a good way. You would be saying to players as he is, storming through to stop him, but he is near impossible to stop in full flow. I got a text at half time from a despondent limerick friend, and I just told him, tipp would not be able to maintain that level and limerick would up it because they can and they would win by 5 plus points. He now think I'm a genius, Im actually a spoofer but he will discover that out himself in time. We'll done again to limerick. It will take some team to beat them, and I don't think that team is out there. Hard luck to tipp."
Quality post. Agree with all you said and fair play

daveboy (Limerick) - Posts: 547 - 18/07/2021 21:28:45    2361384

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Replying To gahfan:  "Limerick need to watch their discipline.
I'm not a fan of the short passing and the throwing of the ball but they're impressive in other ways.
Not the only team taking extra steps, throwing the ball or short passing of course.
Is there no CCCC anymore?"
Well if you watch Limerick you will see they play it short and long and they will also go lateral and backwards. Diarmuid Byrnes often delivers long direct ball in to the forwards as does Hannon, in Gillane we have one of the best possession winners in the game. If you are just going to drive long aimless 50/50 Balls into the forwards all day you are not going to win matches but I guess you might be entertained while you lose.

Fitzy01 (Limerick) - Posts: 207 - 18/07/2021 21:41:59    2361393

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Replying To Richardkimble:  "Well viking that's laois and wexford out both teams went down fighting. I'm sure youre far more disappointed with the expectations in wexford far greater than Laois. We may look forward to next year now wexford my second favourite team btw."
Ah yes Richardkimble we both went down fighting at least. Glad you are feeling more positive about your own team than earlier in the year. For sure your county board should give equal priority to your hurlers. Laois only all Ireland is a hurling one.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 18/07/2021 22:11:00    2361414

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Replying To endgame:  "Same as Wexford in the football."
We won a Leinster championship football game this year and only lost to the Dubs by 8 points. So relatively our footballers are ahead of your hurlers!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 18/07/2021 22:14:47    2361415

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Replying To over35hurler:  "The supposed foul on Kyle Hayes was not a foul. Hayes did what most players do in that situation. He grabbed the tipp players arm under his and went to ground and unusually the ref saw it. No team in the country is in a position to complain about teams getting away with fouling because all teams are constantly fouling. You get away with some and others you don't. Standard of refereeing is poor in general, but as someone once pointed out to me, you get the refs you deserve. This limerick team are incredible, and Kyle Hayes is a freak of nature, and I mean that in a good way. You would be saying to players as he is, storming through to stop him, but he is near impossible to stop in full flow. I got a text at half time from a despondent limerick friend, and I just told him, tipp would not be able to maintain that level and limerick would up it because they can and they would win by 5 plus points. He now think I'm a genius, Im actually a spoofer but he will discover that out himself in time. We'll done again to limerick. It will take some team to beat them, and I don't think that team is out there. Hard luck to tipp."
Great post! Great to see Limerick come back to win. Hopefully they can bring Liam back to the county this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 18/07/2021 22:50:19    2361440

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Replying To over35hurler:  "The supposed foul on Kyle Hayes was not a foul. Hayes did what most players do in that situation. He grabbed the tipp players arm under his and went to ground and unusually the ref saw it. No team in the country is in a position to complain about teams getting away with fouling because all teams are constantly fouling. You get away with some and others you don't. Standard of refereeing is poor in general, but as someone once pointed out to me, you get the refs you deserve. This limerick team are incredible, and Kyle Hayes is a freak of nature, and I mean that in a good way. You would be saying to players as he is, storming through to stop him, but he is near impossible to stop in full flow. I got a text at half time from a despondent limerick friend, and I just told him, tipp would not be able to maintain that level and limerick would up it because they can and they would win by 5 plus points. He now think I'm a genius, Im actually a spoofer but he will discover that out himself in time. We'll done again to limerick. It will take some team to beat them, and I don't think that team is out there. Hard luck to tipp."
Look, Limerick have come from ten points down or more down at least once in all but one decade since the early sixties, when playing Tipp. I was not panicking at all at half time.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3241 - 18/07/2021 23:45:54    2361467

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Replying To Breezy:  "We have been hearing that waffle for 3 years now

Crazy game of hurling today and this is all anyone can talk about I honestly don't know why some people watch sport"


Leaving that aside the 2nd half performance was arguably the best half of hurling we've seen sense peak Cody Kilkenny, Kyle Hayes goal was ridiculous in every positive way while some of the points were superb. Dalo was right tonight, pre game you'd say 5 point defeat for Tipp they can regroup well for the quarter final but the manner of that 2nd half turnaround will be a tough blow to recover from.

wexico15 (Wexford) - Posts: 3436 - 19/07/2021 01:19:47    2361476

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Replying To gahfan:  "Limerick need to watch their discipline.
I'm not a fan of the short passing and the throwing of the ball but they're impressive in other ways.
Not the only team taking extra steps, throwing the ball or short passing of course.
Is there no CCCC anymore?"
You're not a fan of hurling if you aren't a fan of Limericks style of hurling. The most difficult and ineffective style of hurling is Wexfords. Running around in silly semi circles and pointless overlapping. Amd of course with Wexford there's usually not enough class to finish any move.
Limerick handpass the same as everyone else. They don't take anymore extra steps than anyone else. There is a CCCC still..dunno what silly underhand message your sending but do expand on how Limerick are 'impressive in other ways'. It would be nice to hear.

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1540 - 19/07/2021 06:10:52    2361480

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Replying To over35hurler:  "The supposed foul on Kyle Hayes was not a foul. Hayes did what most players do in that situation. He grabbed the tipp players arm under his and went to ground and unusually the ref saw it. No team in the country is in a position to complain about teams getting away with fouling because all teams are constantly fouling. You get away with some and others you don't. Standard of refereeing is poor in general, but as someone once pointed out to me, you get the refs you deserve. This limerick team are incredible, and Kyle Hayes is a freak of nature, and I mean that in a good way. You would be saying to players as he is, storming through to stop him, but he is near impossible to stop in full flow. I got a text at half time from a despondent limerick friend, and I just told him, tipp would not be able to maintain that level and limerick would up it because they can and they would win by 5 plus points. He now think I'm a genius, Im actually a spoofer but he will discover that out himself in time. We'll done again to limerick. It will take some team to beat them, and I don't think that team is out there. Hard luck to tipp."
Spot on with that foul. The ironic thing is that it was Dan McCormack who was tackling him - Dan being the best in game to engineer frees like a lot of people thought Hayes deserved there.
Some of the podcasts have discussed these engineering of frees in hurling at length over the last few months. Perhaps highlighting it has brought it to the attention of the referees. Generally people say they are difficult to see but to me they're nearly always obvious. It's something that I'd like to see stamped out of the game - and before anyone says that's anti limerick it's not. Tipp are probably the best at it.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3102 - 19/07/2021 07:13:18    2361486

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Replying To Breezy:  "We have been hearing that waffle for 3 years now

Crazy game of hurling today and this is all anyone can talk about I honestly don't know why some people watch sport"
Spot on. I left this forum for a few years due to all the negativity and I'll be doing the same again shortly if this keeps up. People whinging about one or two incidents. It's even worse when they state the people on the receiving end are diving or got what they deserved.
I don't mind a bit of constructive analysis but rubbish like that shouldn't be allowed to be posted.

It's rare that anyone actually analyses a score. For example Kyle Hayes scored a great goal but the back man in me will always look at what we could have done better and I thought limerick exposed tipps Brendan maher on numerous occasions. I really hope Ronan is moved back to his rightful position at. 6 for the rest of his career.

tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 3102 - 19/07/2021 07:17:23    2361487

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