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2021 Hurling Championship

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Replying To Richardkimble:  "Well viking that's laois and wexford out both teams went down fighting. I'm sure youre far more disappointed with the expectations in wexford far greater than Laois. We may look forward to next year now wexford my second favourite team btw."
Laois were savage. Would be some yawn fest if we get back to the top 4 every year dominating.

bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 17/07/2021 21:00:58    2360839

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "Don't think I've seen a poorer performance from a Wexford team and only 20 minutes gone. Ok, got the goal but all over the shop and Clare destroying them."
That has to be the poorest Dublin performance in years. Was at the Leinster semis and the Dublin v Galway match was levels below the Wex v Kk. You just have to wonder where Wexford are at!

bottletopbill (Wexford) - Posts: 39 - 17/07/2021 21:06:24    2360841

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The most interesting thing in that 2nd half were the Seagulls flying around and round. Taking over the TV screen. Kilkenny were efficient. Dublin are still 1 or 2 players short and really they need a goal threat. Crazy to see James Owens rehabilitation starting already..

bloodyban (Limerick) - Posts: 1540 - 17/07/2021 21:07:57    2360842

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Replying To bottletopbill:  "That has to be the poorest Dublin performance in years. Was at the Leinster semis and the Dublin v Galway match was levels below the Wex v Kk. You just have to wonder where Wexford are at!"
I'll tell you where Wexford are at. Out of the 2021 championship.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1527 - 17/07/2021 21:56:12    2360864

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Replying To bloodyban:  "The most interesting thing in that 2nd half were the Seagulls flying around and round. Taking over the TV screen. Kilkenny were efficient. Dublin are still 1 or 2 players short and really they need a goal threat. Crazy to see James Owens rehabilitation starting already.."
The bottom line is that Kilkenny have the best Hurlers in the county playing for them. Dublin have some of the best Hurlers playing for the footballers. How can you compete with that?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1349 - 17/07/2021 21:59:12    2360865

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Replying To Bon:  "The bottom line is that Kilkenny have the best Hurlers in the county playing for them. Dublin have some of the best Hurlers playing for the footballers. How can you compete with that?"
Kilkenny seemed to be miles ahead of them fitness wise too, no excuse for that.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 874 - 17/07/2021 23:05:30    2360880

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Replying To Bon:  "The bottom line is that Kilkenny have the best Hurlers in the county playing for them. Dublin have some of the best Hurlers playing for the footballers. How can you compete with that?"
Population data for counties in the Republic of Ireland is based on preliminary data from census of 2016.

Dublin Population: 1,345,402
Kilkenny Population: 99,232

Yeah, how can Dublin compete with that?

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1452 - 17/07/2021 23:34:44    2360890

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Even with the "pandemic" losses, we were never at the races. Jig was up long before that fker decided on another make it up as you go along sin bin. We missed one, they got one.

Ce la vie.

40 odd years of Kilkenny people telling us we are not bad, really. Well, we were .....

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 241 - 17/07/2021 23:52:18    2360894

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Replying To Bon:  "The bottom line is that Kilkenny have the best Hurlers in the county playing for them. Dublin have some of the best Hurlers playing for the footballers. How can you compete with that?"
You compete by applying the Brian Cody approach. Never has he made excuses when fielding a team that could have been stronger. You have who you have. That's your team. Adversity hit all sides. You can navigate or give in..

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1167 - 17/07/2021 23:53:00    2360895

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Replying To Richardkimble:  "Just out of the laois v Waterford game and to be honest Laois left this game behind them. I know Bennett missed a few long range frees late on but Laois were very wasteful in the middle period of the first half and this is where the game was lost. They pulled back an 8 point deficit at half time to lead by one late in the game but a terrible slip let Waterford in for a soft goal. Make no mistake this was a serious display by Laois its a pity we didn't have the power on the bench Waterford did on such a warm day. Proud of the lads and its a testament to the senior players in the team to tell the manager before the antrim game that they were very unhappy with the tactics and that they wanted to play a different game and man up and boy look at the difference. They players are not far away let's hope they can build on this and the county board step into line and back the team. Great effort Laois"
Laois got the better scores on the day and delighted how they played. Not taking any thing away from them but Waterford were terrible. We are going no where all of a sudden. Completely way off last year. I am not criticizing Liam but players don't have a clue where they are playing.What can he do now ? Who to start the next day ? Where will to play them ? Is Shane Bennett a back or a forward and the same for Kevin Moran. Shaun O Brien is a good ball stopper but kept hitting out the ball to a Laois player. Hutchison would want ladder to get to some of the balls that were rained down on him.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 1632 - 18/07/2021 00:08:08    2360904

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Replying To endgame:  "I'll tell you where Wexford are at. Out of the 2021 championship."
How are Roscommon doing in the hurling?

Jedobi (Wexford) - Posts: 90 - 18/07/2021 05:48:16    2360928

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Replying To Ban:  "You compete by applying the Brian Cody approach. Never has he made excuses when fielding a team that could have been stronger. You have who you have. That's your team. Adversity hit all sides. You can navigate or give in.."
Hopelessly nonsensical solution. Just telling counties to get on with it essentially. That's been done by the GAA for decades rather than try to make any attempt to help them.
Keep up the good work there lad.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 18/07/2021 07:55:17    2360938

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Replying To Jedobi:  "How are Roscommon doing in the hurling?"
Same as Wexford in the football.

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1527 - 18/07/2021 10:08:17    2360967

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Population data for counties in the Republic of Ireland is based on preliminary data from census of 2016.

Dublin Population: 1,345,402
Kilkenny Population: 99,232

Yeah, how can Dublin compete with that?"
And what percentage of Dublin are exposed to Hurling let alone play it?

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1349 - 18/07/2021 10:09:57    2360968

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Replying To Canuck:  "Laois got the better scores on the day and delighted how they played. Not taking any thing away from them but Waterford were terrible. We are going no where all of a sudden. Completely way off last year. I am not criticizing Liam but players don't have a clue where they are playing.What can he do now ? Who to start the next day ? Where will to play them ? Is Shane Bennett a back or a forward and the same for Kevin Moran. Shaun O Brien is a good ball stopper but kept hitting out the ball to a Laois player. Hutchison would want ladder to get to some of the balls that were rained down on him."
I'll never understand how a guy can be shunted up and down from wing back to wing forward and be expected to settle into a position. After all Moran's years of service and they still don't know his best position? Same as bennet

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1349 - 18/07/2021 10:12:41    2360969

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Replying To catch22:  "Hopelessly nonsensical solution. Just telling counties to get on with it essentially. That's been done by the GAA for decades rather than try to make any attempt to help them.
Keep up the good work there lad."
You are forgetting though that it's Dublin we are talking about here, they shouldn't need help with all their funding, resources, huge population, facilities. they couldn't replace the players they were missing yesterday and when o donnell went off it was essentially curtains for them. They don't seem to have really a trusted freetaker either, westmeath as an example had two trusted free takers yesterday starting on the team and another came on late in the game. Dublin are just not showing dividends for the huge funding they get, they don't need help

preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 559 - 18/07/2021 10:19:08    2360972

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Replying To Bon:  "I'll never understand how a guy can be shunted up and down from wing back to wing forward and be expected to settle into a position. After all Moran's years of service and they still don't know his best position? Same as bennet"
Is the modern game not more about athletes as oppose hurlers and footballers? Any time I see either a game of hurling or football which is becoming less and less, it is hard to tell who is suppose to be playing where. Between dummy teams, switches and tactics, maybe even the players are confused. I watched the wexford-Clare match yesterday and wexford lost the game in the first 15 minutes when they only scored 1 point but they had no forwards near the clare goals; it was bonkers to see. Managers and coaches plus tactics are destroying the games of hurling and football.

wicklowsupport (Wicklow) - Posts: 1391 - 18/07/2021 10:31:11    2360976

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Replying To preddan:  "You are forgetting though that it's Dublin we are talking about here, they shouldn't need help with all their funding, resources, huge population, facilities. they couldn't replace the players they were missing yesterday and when o donnell went off it was essentially curtains for them. They don't seem to have really a trusted freetaker either, westmeath as an example had two trusted free takers yesterday starting on the team and another came on late in the game. Dublin are just not showing dividends for the huge funding they get, they don't need help"
I think you're assuming finance is the answer to all problems. It helps undoubtedly but will not make you winners if you don't have everything else right.
Look at Kilkenny, tradition, structures and personnel in place and the finance and county board with cop on. Small population, a lot of success.
That's why so many counties go nowhere and likely never will.
Look at Cork also, plenty of resources but haven't won an All Ireland for 16 year.

catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 18/07/2021 10:49:35    2360981

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Replying To catch22:  "Hopelessly nonsensical solution. Just telling counties to get on with it essentially. That's been done by the GAA for decades rather than try to make any attempt to help them.
Keep up the good work there lad."
I was replying to this:

Replying To Bon: "The bottom line is that Kilkenny have the best Hurlers in the county playing for them. Dublin have some of the best Hurlers playing for the footballers. How can you compete with that?"


I'm not sure how the GAA can help this scenario?

Ban (Westmeath) - Posts: 1167 - 18/07/2021 10:53:33    2360982

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Replying To catch22:  "I think you're assuming finance is the answer to all problems. It helps undoubtedly but will not make you winners if you don't have everything else right.
Look at Kilkenny, tradition, structures and personnel in place and the finance and county board with cop on. Small population, a lot of success.
That's why so many counties go nowhere and likely never will.
Look at Cork also, plenty of resources but haven't won an All Ireland for 16 year."
Cork underage hurling is coming good .Cork will win a senior hurling All Ireland within the next 3/4 years .

endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 1527 - 18/07/2021 11:02:48    2360985

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