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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Last time I saw it Kerry are in the joe mcdonagh cup. They were beaten by Meath last weekend so by your logic Meath should be in the Leinster championship along with Offaly Kildare Wicklow Longford Westmeath Carlow. Antrim and Laois earned the right to compete in the Leinster championship and should be treated equally. Kerry and cork tried to make life cosy for themselves in the Munster football championship a few years ago and the rest of the counties there gave them the 2 fingers and thus they can now meet at any stage instead of just the final….and Tipp winning last year showed how right they were to stand up to the bullies"
The Munster football championship not being seeded any more surely gives the other counties Tipp, Clare, Limerick and even Waterford a better chance of winning it. Ok there is also the chance of more lopsided games in semis and finals down the line for some supporters to grumble about but surely some people are missing the point about the competition. The competition should be more about giving everyone participating a better shot at winning it which was the only point to it when it was started in the 19th century, not about making it more entertaining for spectators. I think its nonsense that the Leinster Hurling Championship is seeded. And now that it's not being run as a round Robin why not have 8 teams in it? It wouldnt take any more time to complete and noone would need a bye?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 14/07/2021 07:04:20    2359640

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Replying To HurlingBuzz:  "Yeah just like jack O'Connor pinged for barging and a few mins later tj Reid wins a free for doing the same thing"
Colour of jersey matters Viking.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 379 - 14/07/2021 09:56:44    2359672

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "A lot of waffle here about the qualifier draw and some great games down for the weekend and no talk of them.
You would have to favour Waterford against Laois.
Clare have had two serious games played which will stand to them.I fancy Clare here although Wexford put in a mighty effort against KK but how good are Kilkenny?
I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us.The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them.
That leaves us with the Munster final and old foes Tipp and Limerick.Limerick have had a bit of an indian sign on Tipp in some recent encounters.Tipp are largely relying on the old guard so is Sheehy not overly happy with the younger players in the panel.It might be too much to expect Limerick to dominate Tipp again.If Limerick get their fluid game up and running it will be hard to stop them.Limerick to shade it here in a very tight game."
Think like you do Limerick should win if they play with their usual intensity. If they are a bit off like in the league games and tbh the Cork game too then no better team than Tipp to take advantage. I fancy Kilkenny against Dublin for some reason the only team they seem to do well against, or at least beat, the last few years is Galway. It will be close too though. I fancy Waterford against Laois but if Waterford are off like the last day Laois could well win. But I think last weekend was their all Ireland final will it have took too much out of them? Lastly our game against Clare could go either way. If we turn up like in the 2019 Leinster final, the 2019 AISF, or last weeks semi against Kilkenny we have a 50/50 chance. To win we also need to eliminate the 15 odd wides we had against Kilkenny the last day. And not concede any frees or very few from the middle 3rd back as Tony Kelly will score 99% of them. If we dont play 100% to the best of our abilities Clare will win pulling up.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 14/07/2021 10:01:03    2359676

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Re the minor hurling championship, does anyone know why Meath were awarded a walkover vs Antrim last week in the Leinster Championship?

Marlon_JD (Tipperary) - Posts: 1813 - 14/07/2021 14:46:31    2359811

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Replying To Marlon_JD:  "Re the minor hurling championship, does anyone know why Meath were awarded a walkover vs Antrim last week in the Leinster Championship?"
I heard three Antrim players tested positive for Covid and some of the other lads had to isolate as close contacts. Leinster council were asked for a postponement but refused.

M Lyster (Antrim) - Posts: 452 - 14/07/2021 15:47:51    2359843

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Hope our fellas raise a bit of a gallop against the Cats. Need to improve again over the Galway game, and most likely post a bigger score.

Key battle will be our half forwards v their half backs. We got the better in second half last year and in league but didn't convert into scores/ Kilkenny were much stronger in that line against Wexford than I've seen them for a while too. I'd be more confident about this one than the Galway game, but still a big ask.

Can't wait to see Limerick v Tipp. I reckon Tipp are only team who might take them and worth a punt at the prices. Whatever mad notions there were before about Tipp not really bothered about Munster, I'd imagine it will be no quarter asked this time.

BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 241 - 14/07/2021 16:39:20    2359864

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "A lot of waffle here about the qualifier draw and some great games down for the weekend and no talk of them.
You would have to favour Waterford against Laois.
Clare have had two serious games played which will stand to them.I fancy Clare here although Wexford put in a mighty effort against KK but how good are Kilkenny?
I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us.The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them.
That leaves us with the Munster final and old foes Tipp and Limerick.Limerick have had a bit of an indian sign on Tipp in some recent encounters.Tipp are largely relying on the old guard so is Sheehy not overly happy with the younger players in the panel.It might be too much to expect Limerick to dominate Tipp again.If Limerick get their fluid game up and running it will be hard to stop them.Limerick to shade it here in a very tight game."
"I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us"

Really? Who is this 'most of us'? Do you ever consider that you and this 'most of us' have got it wrong .

."The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them."

So you're saying the work rate and intensity will be equal (debatable), what about skill, experience etc.?

The bookies have Kilkenny hot favourites to win. Obviously all their paid hurling experts haven't a clue.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1452 - 14/07/2021 22:27:06    2359957

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us"

Really? Who is this 'most of us'? Do you ever consider that you and this 'most of us' have got it wrong .

."The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them."

So you're saying the work rate and intensity will be equal (debatable), what about skill, experience etc.?

The bookies have Kilkenny hot favourites to win. Obviously all their paid hurling experts haven't a clue."
I still give Dublin a great chance against KK,Dublin looked quite accomplished in the skills department against Galway.Anyway time will tell and sure its only an opinion and not a lot to get hot under the collar about.I hope its a great game of hurling with two good teams.....looking fwd to it on Sat evening.

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 853 - 15/07/2021 20:17:23    2360220

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "
Replying To Cockney_Cat:  ""I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us"

Really? Who is this 'most of us'? Do you ever consider that you and this 'most of us' have got it wrong .

."The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them."

So you're saying the work rate and intensity will be equal (debatable), what about skill, experience etc.?

The bookies have Kilkenny hot favourites to win. Obviously all their paid hurling experts haven't a clue."
I still give Dublin a great chance against KK,Dublin looked quite accomplished in the skills department against Galway.Anyway time will tell and sure its only an opinion and not a lot to get hot under the collar about.I hope its a great game of hurling with two good teams.....looking fwd to it on Sat evening."
Point taken. Sure Dublin have a great chance, but they beat an abysmal Galway. I can't see Cody sending out a team with the arrogance that Galway displayed at the start. Anyway, a great weekend of hurling to look forward to.

Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 1452 - 15/07/2021 20:34:23    2360226

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Should be a great weekend of Hurling, plenty of potential fireworks.
There's something special about the munster final, it has always enthralled me since my childhood. To me it has always been the greatest hurling occasion. Hopefully we'll have one to remember with Declan Hannon lifting the cup!

Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1349 - 15/07/2021 22:59:59    2360271

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us"

Really? Who is this 'most of us'? Do you ever consider that you and this 'most of us' have got it wrong .

."The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them."

So you're saying the work rate and intensity will be equal (debatable), what about skill, experience etc.?

The bookies have Kilkenny hot favourites to win. Obviously all their paid hurling experts haven't a clue."
I still give Dublin a great chance against KK,Dublin looked quite accomplished in the skills department against Galway.Anyway time will tell and sure its only an opinion and not a lot to get hot under the collar about.I hope its a great game of hurling with two good teams.....looking fwd to it on Sat evening."
Point taken. Sure Dublin have a great chance, but they beat an abysmal Galway. I can't see Cody sending out a team with the arrogance that Galway displayed at the start. Anyway, a great weekend of hurling to look forward to."]What arrogance? They went for goals in the first 5 minutes, something KK, Tipp and Cork often did in the past but I don't recall people calling it arrogance! I think S O' Neill should have stuck with the team that finished strongly against Cork and left Canning on the bench since he was recovering from injury. I have seen arrogance and it doesn't come from the hurlers, in any county, but from some supporters especially from those counties that have won numerous All Irelands!

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1069 - 16/07/2021 01:01:23    2360289

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "
Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "[quote=Cockney_Cat:  ""I think Dublin will take KK in the Leinster final though KK will be ready for them seeing how they took down Galway who were favourites for the AI with most of us"

Really? Who is this 'most of us'? Do you ever consider that you and this 'most of us' have got it wrong .

."The KK work rate and intensity is something else but I fancy this Dublin team under Kenny to match them."

So you're saying the work rate and intensity will be equal (debatable), what about skill, experience etc.?

The bookies have Kilkenny hot favourites to win. Obviously all their paid hurling experts haven't a clue."
I still give Dublin a great chance against KK,Dublin looked quite accomplished in the skills department against Galway.Anyway time will tell and sure its only an opinion and not a lot to get hot under the collar about.I hope its a great game of hurling with two good teams.....looking fwd to it on Sat evening."
Point taken. Sure Dublin have a great chance, but they beat an abysmal Galway. I can't see Cody sending out a team with the arrogance that Galway displayed at the start. Anyway, a great weekend of hurling to look forward to."]That's for sure. The Joe Mac final also. Think Westmeath will win by 5.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 16/07/2021 07:16:15    2360292

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Replying To Cockney_Cat:  "Crazy? You can't compare the Munster Hurling Championship with the Leinster HC. It's like comparing chalk with cheese. If you don't understand that, you shouldn't be making ignorant comments about it."
Of course its Crazy to compare them. Munster is a closed competition that is not even open to all counties within the province whereas the Rest of Ireland HC has teams from Connaught, Ulster and even Leinster competing for the privilege of being allowed take the field against arrogance Munster men. Only in Ireland !

BlueBeret (Dublin) - Posts: 34 - 16/07/2021 08:19:30    2360298

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Weekend predictions

Joe McDonagh Final. Westmeath
Leinster Final Kilkenny
Munster Final Limerick

Qualifiers.
Waterford.
Wexford.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 379 - 16/07/2021 10:14:34    2360314

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Replying To BlueBeret:  "Of course its Crazy to compare them. Munster is a closed competition that is not even open to all counties within the province whereas the Rest of Ireland HC has teams from Connaught, Ulster and even Leinster competing for the privilege of being allowed take the field against arrogance Munster men. Only in Ireland !"
You are forgetting we may have a Munster team in our championship after the weekend too!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 16/07/2021 10:32:04    2360320

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With Waterford and Clare expected to win this weekend....it looks like Round 2 will be Galway v Waterford and Clare v Cork!

katser (Galway) - Posts: 1339 - 16/07/2021 12:53:50    2360387

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Weekend predictions

Joe McDonagh Final. Westmeath

Leinster Final Kilkenny
Munster Final Tipp

Qualifiers.
Waterford.
Clare.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1693 - 16/07/2021 13:53:21    2360411

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Replying To BlueBeret:  "Of course its Crazy to compare them. Munster is a closed competition that is not even open to all counties within the province whereas the Rest of Ireland HC has teams from Connaught, Ulster and even Leinster competing for the privilege of being allowed take the field against arrogance Munster men. Only in Ireland !"
BlueBeret. Way back in 1959 those 'arrogance (sic) Munster men' allowed Galway Hurlers enter competitions AT ALL LEVELS in our province. Even toda,y twelve years after entering the Leinster at Senior level, Galway are not allowed play in the Leinster Minor Hurling Championship.

Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 3241 - 16/07/2021 13:59:41    2360414

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Replying To Oldtourman:  "BlueBeret. Way back in 1959 those 'arrogance (sic) Munster men' allowed Galway Hurlers enter competitions AT ALL LEVELS in our province. Even toda,y twelve years after entering the Leinster at Senior level, Galway are not allowed play in the Leinster Minor Hurling Championship."
Galway should be playing in the Leinster MHC. If Kerry get promoted really they should be playing in the Munster SHC though. They are a Munster County.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 3042 - 16/07/2021 14:31:25    2360422

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Absurd that Galway have to operate outside of Leinster at this grade.

suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1505 - 16/07/2021 17:27:52    2360472

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