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You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Cockney_Cat (UK) - Posts: 2961 - 20/06/2021 17:11:11 2352183 Link 0 |
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Problem for Galway the last 40 odd years has been finishing the shirt despite having endless rolls of silk.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 20/06/2021 17:21:01 2352186 Link 1 |
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If you want to judge every thing on winning All-Irelands Galway have come up short like many of the rest of us. If you want to judge Galway on great players, entertainment, flair, etc. they have contributed as much as anyone and more than many. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3249 - 20/06/2021 21:55:47 2352248 Link 4 |
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No. Pretty much every county is the same. Bubbles O'Dwyer is one of Killenaule's best footballers. TheMcGrath's Loughmore Too footballers. That is replicated across Tipp and probably every county. Cork does have football dominated in West Cork granted, but that does not mean that the rest of Cork do not have the same situations. Cork still have inter county dual players, like several other counties. Much of the Cork hurling panel play senior or high level football at club level and the county footballers playing high level club hurling I may add. Wexford are by no means unusual in this regard. Even Dublin with their resources have the same issues. BaldyBadger (Cork) - Posts: 341 - 20/06/2021 23:36:34 2352262 Link 0 |
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Definitely Canuck. I was very happy for them in 2017. Waterford are the most overdue though so I was shouting for Waterford that day. We are now waiting the next longest after Dublin in Leinster. Well Laois are waiting since 1915 or something!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 21/06/2021 02:23:07 2352265 Link 0 |
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Viking, I totally acknowledge that Galway have a terrible record in All Ireland finals and they have lost some big games through a lack of mental toughness (the 2015 All Ireland final comes to mind). But you don't seem to realise that Galway hurling before 1975 was at about at the same level that Laois hurling is now so going back 100 years to bolster your point is ridiculous. If Laois were in our position for many of the finals we've lost, getting byes to the All Ireland semi final and doing giant killing acts to reach the final, they'd have a horrendous record in All Ireland finals too! I have to keep on reiterating that more than half of the All Ireland finals we've lost over the years were 2nd round championship matches. In a properly structured championship (I.e. an open draw championship where geography was not the predominant feature) Galway wouldn't even have reached most of those All Ireland finals they lost because their inadequacies would have been found out earlier by better teams who had lost in their own provincial championship. Any discussion of Galways record in big games should begin at 2008 when Galway entered the Leinster championship and there was a level playing field for all contenders. Our record since then has not been great but I think it will balance out over time. We have lost some big games that on paper we would have been expected to win but generally when we have lost it is because we were not good enough. I was replying to a Galway poster when I described as BS the notion that Gslways poor record in All Ireland finals has any relevance for this year or any other year. It has absolutely ZERO relevance. I find it really frustrating when I hear someone from my own county utter nonsense like that. It is only relevant if you hold the false belief that it is relevant but thankfully the modern players are psychologically well prepared nowadays and clearly grasp that what happened in games that took place in previous eras when maybe the players concerned weren't even born, has zero relevance to whatever big game they are playing today. History is only a burden if you allow it to be so."]If if Galway wants to be a true par in Leinster hurling then they minor and there club champions should also take part. Very unfair that Galway club champions goes straight into a semi-final after a hard club championship while other counties have to play a hard provincial championship in November and December. It should be all or none. Newyorkkat (Kilkenny) - Posts: 200 - 21/06/2021 02:27:48 2352266 Link 1 |
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Yes but no other county had their senior intercounty hurling panel playing exclusively senior championship club football in the run up to last years intercounty hurling championship. At the time this forum was full of lads saying Davy was trying to pull a fast one by Wexford running off the senior club hurling championship first so he could have the players together earlier than everyone else. What all those people giving out at the time didn't realise about Wexford is that all but 2 of the senior intercounty hurling panel play for their club 1st teams at football too and nearly all the top hurling clubs like Gorey, Glynn Barntown, Shels, St Martins, St Anne's are also in the top 8 senior football clubs. So not only did he not have the panel together fulltime for hurling training but also none of them were even playing or training at club hurling for more than a month immediately prior to the start if the senior intercounty hurling championship. And hurling is a completely different game to football.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 21/06/2021 09:54:21 2352286 Link 0 |
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Next weekend… Wexford to beat Laois by 5 HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 21/06/2021 11:00:02 2352308 Link 1 |
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Wexford by 3, Dublin by 4, Waterford by 2
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 21/06/2021 11:17:05 2352314 Link 1 |
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In fairness I'm more than happy with Shane O' Neill, and I wouldn't touch Davy Fitz with a barge pole. For a lot of Galway people it was "Shane who" when he was appointed, but it's hard to be anything other than impressed with what he has done thus far, and in very trying circumstances mind you. He has brought through several young players, and finally after years of wondering where all of these great Minors and U-20s had gone to, they finally seems to be filtering through.
gilly1910 (Galway) - Posts: 186 - 21/06/2021 11:23:57 2352316 Link 1 |
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Good post.. You've got a top man in O Neill. He's highly rated in Limerick, was a very committed hurler and a hugely successful club manager.
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1124 - 21/06/2021 12:32:44 2352341 Link 1 |
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Wexford by 10. Antrim by 1. Waterford by 3. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2631 - 21/06/2021 12:49:49 2352347 Link 0 |
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I'm very happy with him too. I noticed he used the League to put some different lineups and brought in guys I hadn't heard of or had forgotten. While I like Davy I'm happy with the man we have.
Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2631 - 21/06/2021 12:52:25 2352348 Link 0 |
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Hes a good manager for sure. Maybe he was only Cathal Mannions injury away from an AIF.
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 21/06/2021 12:55:12 2352349 Link 0 |
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Maybe, we'll never know.. Mannion going off made our job easier for definite.. Limerick in John Kielys first season in 2017 played 2 matches and lost both. Season over.. We were a much better team the following year. I think O Neill will have learned a lot from last years semi finals. skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1124 - 21/06/2021 13:14:55 2352360 Link 0 |
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If the Antrim players need any motivation against Dublin they should read some of the Dublin websites where we are being dismissed in very unflattering terms. The arrogance and sense of entitlement amongst an element of the Dublin fanbase is off the scale. Ulsterman (Antrim) - Posts: 9841 - 21/06/2021 13:24:37 2352365 Link 1 |
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Would be delighted to see Antrim win next weekend. They've made great progress from last year and showed that throughout the league. I just think Dublin will be ready for them . It's a huge game for mattie kenny and Dublin players
HurlingBuzz (Wexford) - Posts: 556 - 21/06/2021 13:58:44 2352381 Link 0 |
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Hold on a minute. Limerick started last year with five players ready to occupy any position in the Full back line. Tom Condon, Ritchie English, Mike Casey and Araon Costelloe all got injured and we had to bring a wing back to Full Back and a man who never played in a Full Back line in to corner back, but was man of the match, as a forward, in a U21 AIFinal, to replace them. We also lost our major go to sub Shane Dowling last year. Despite all this Galway played with five forwards- they hardly deserved to win..
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4566 - 21/06/2021 16:00:19 2352424 Link 0 |
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What have they got to be so arrogant? Laois turned them over 2 years ago, they are not unbeatable.
MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 21/06/2021 17:09:40 2352441 Link 1 |
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I didnt say they deserved to win Oldtourman. The best team won the AI last year. All I said was had Cathal Mannion not got injured then Galway MIGHT have won that SF. You were the best team in 2019 too but didnt win the AI. The best team doesnt always win the biggest prize. That's knockout hurling for you. One off day and you are gone, no matter how brilliant you are!
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 20653 - 21/06/2021 17:38:21 2352446 Link 1 |