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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Toughest province how ??? When was the last time the Ulster champions won an all Ireland or got within a 5 points of the leinster champions hahaha Dublin in Ulster theyd walk it to"
Who were the last team to beat Dublin in Championship football? Noone in Leinster anyway that's for sure.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7479 - 23/04/2021 09:36:16    2338483

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Who were the last team to beat Dublin in Championship football? Noone in Leinster anyway that's for sure."
Dublin would walk the Ulster championship same way as they walk leinster the proof was last year when they enilitated the Ulster champions

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 23/04/2021 10:22:56    2338488

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Who were the last team to beat Dublin in Championship football? Noone in Leinster anyway that's for sure."
I've a feeling you will be saying that for the next number of years. You trot that one out every year. Flukes do happen. But not very often.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17823 - 23/04/2021 10:52:09    2338493

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Dublin would walk the Ulster championship same way as they walk leinster the proof was last year when they enilitated the Ulster champions"
Some people like living in a make believe world.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 17823 - 23/04/2021 10:52:55    2338494

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Replying To royaldunne:  "Some people like living in a make believe world."
Yeah they do they think Ulster is the greatest thing since sliced bread end of the day dubs hammer them every year same as they do the rest of us

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 23/04/2021 11:17:54    2338497

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Yeah they do they think Ulster is the greatest thing since sliced bread end of the day dubs hammer them every year same as they do the rest of us"
It clearly is the best provincial competition though, and it worth watching at each stage more than the others. Any one of 7 out of the 9 teams are in with a chance of winning it. And likely the Dubs would walk it, but at least they'd be challenged a bit

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 23/04/2021 11:50:20    2338503

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Dublin would walk the Ulster championship same way as they walk leinster the proof was last year when they enilitated the Ulster champions"
If Dublin had to go into ballybofey, clones or healey park omagh on a championship Sunday with a full house in a knockout championship match, they would know they were in a game.

rorysboys (Donegal) - Posts: 1145 - 23/04/2021 12:04:33    2338504

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Replying To royaldunne:  "I've a feeling you will be saying that for the next number of years. You trot that one out every year. Flukes do happen. But not very often."
It was hardly a fluke now was it? Beat them all ends up that day. Facts are facts - we're the last team to beat them in Championship football.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7479 - 23/04/2021 12:19:26    2338506

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "It clearly is the best provincial competition though, and it worth watching at each stage more than the others. Any one of 7 out of the 9 teams are in with a chance of winning it. And likely the Dubs would walk it, but at least they'd be challenged a bit"
which 7 teams?? Cause Derry, Down, Fermanagh, Antrim haven't a hope

wishfulthinkin (Cavan) - Posts: 1560 - 23/04/2021 12:28:32    2338510

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Replying To rorysboys:  "If Dublin had to go into ballybofey, clones or healey park omagh on a championship Sunday with a full house in a knockout championship match, they would know they were in a game."
I have no doubt that Dublin can go clones ballyboefey etc and wipe the floor with teams but do it 3 games in a row against cavan Tyrone donegal, monaghan armagh and then ulster final in a neutral ground and I can guarantee you Dublin would not win 10 ulster's in a row. Then win an ulster final and then go to super 8s or quarter final and maintain that level and I can guarantee you that Dublin would not have won the 6 in a row.

It is not possible to sustain that consistency in ulster compared to leinster. Not a hope. That is the difference in the provinces and provincials. I have no doubt if monaghan Tyrone wasin leinster the last 10 years and Dublin was in ulster monaghan tyrone would have an all ireland to their name, basically because they don't need to sustain the same level for a long period of time.

Its the difference.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 23/04/2021 13:50:29    2338520

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Replying To wishfulthinkin:  "which 7 teams?? Cause Derry, Down, Fermanagh, Antrim haven't a hope"
Well definitely not Antrim, but at any time I'd reckon 7 could realistically challenge if things fell their way. Down in a semi final last year, could have won that if they kept up their 1st half. Fermanagh in a final recently too. Derry is probably outside that 7. Look, people would have said the same about Cavan last year. There's clearly a top 3/4, but there are other teams who could do it with luck of the draw and a good run which we showed last year

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 23/04/2021 13:56:58    2338522

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Replying To monaghanmad:  "I have no doubt that Dublin can go clones ballyboefey etc and wipe the floor with teams but do it 3 games in a row against cavan Tyrone donegal, monaghan armagh and then ulster final in a neutral ground and I can guarantee you Dublin would not win 10 ulster's in a row. Then win an ulster final and then go to super 8s or quarter final and maintain that level and I can guarantee you that Dublin would not have won the 6 in a row.

It is not possible to sustain that consistency in ulster compared to leinster. Not a hope. That is the difference in the provinces and provincials. I have no doubt if monaghan Tyrone wasin leinster the last 10 years and Dublin was in ulster monaghan tyrone would have an all ireland to their name, basically because they don't need to sustain the same level for a long period of time.

Its the difference."
This. Couldn't have put it any better myself. It's not a level playing field for Ulster teams

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 23/04/2021 14:08:56    2338525

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Well definitely not Antrim, but at any time I'd reckon 7 could realistically challenge if things fell their way. Down in a semi final last year, could have won that if they kept up their 1st half. Fermanagh in a final recently too. Derry is probably outside that 7. Look, people would have said the same about Cavan last year. There's clearly a top 3/4, but there are other teams who could do it with luck of the draw and a good run which we showed last year"
Down are going to beat donegal Derry Tyrone/cavan and possibly Monaghan or armagh to win the Ulster title same goes for Derry. Antrim and fermanagh no hope to win it Monaghan are past it by now so where on earth is there 7 teams that can lift the trophy comein from

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 23/04/2021 14:29:04    2338531

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Down are going to beat donegal Derry Tyrone/cavan and possibly Monaghan or armagh to win the Ulster title same goes for Derry. Antrim and fermanagh no hope to win it Monaghan are past it by now so where on earth is there 7 teams that can lift the trophy comein from"
Keep thinking we are past it. We have just as good of young players coming through as any other ulster team.

I am loving how we are being written off. We have about 8 players under 25 that would walk onto any other team in ulster. Just a matter of putting it all together. Arguably better players now than when Hughes, wylies, Walshe, Corey, mones were at that age.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 23/04/2021 14:43:09    2338537

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Replying To rorysboys:  "If Dublin had to go into ballybofey, clones or healey park omagh on a championship Sunday with a full house in a knockout championship match, they would know they were in a game."
Exactly, that's why an open draw championship is the way to go. Play provincials, then an open draw championship.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 23/04/2021 14:43:10    2338538

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "Down are going to beat donegal Derry Tyrone/cavan and possibly Monaghan or armagh to win the Ulster title same goes for Derry. Antrim and fermanagh no hope to win it Monaghan are past it by now so where on earth is there 7 teams that can lift the trophy comein from"
I'm not just on about this year. But going on recent years, if the likes of Down get a kinder draw, there's no reason why they couldn't make a final and then pull out a performance. Down have no hope this year, that is a hellish draw for them tbf.

I gave my reasons above and went through them, there's a top 3/4 who will likely win it, and then maybe another 3 who will need some luck of the draw and a big performance to win it (e.g. Cavan last year, Monaghan in 2013 and so on - it does happen in Ulster). There's then 2 or so who don't have a chance

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 23/04/2021 15:14:54    2338541

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The GAA still need to keep the provincials in my opinion. We have been blessed in the last ten years here in Donegal that we've won 5. Before that it was 19 years. Ask Derry or Down fans if they'd turn their noses up at an Ulster title these days. Same for Fermanagh and Antrim. Cavan ended a long wait last year and it was wildly and deservedly celebrated. It was a similar story down in Tipperary. In my life time I've seen the likes of Clare, Sligo, Leitrim & Westmeath win provincial titles. Are any of them realistically ever going to win an All Ireland? Probably not, but where there's a chance of a provincial title the dream is always there.

I think the trick is to reward/seed provincial winners in an open All-Ireland draw somehow. Give them quarter final home advantage against whatever team comes through the qualifiers. I don't think the Super 8s was a success ultimately but at least it showed they were open to ideas.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7479 - 23/04/2021 16:04:39    2338549

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As much as I love the Ulster Championship I think the provincial system is finished, we need a 3 tiered All Ireland series, Senior, intermediate and Junior, then every county has a chance to win a National title at their own level.
Comparing how competitive Ulster is to the rest of the provinces the whole thing is a basket case.
Has to be a fairer smarter way to do this,

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1824 - 23/04/2021 21:59:48    2338569

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "As much as I love the Ulster Championship I think the provincial system is finished, we need a 3 tiered All Ireland series, Senior, intermediate and Junior, then every county has a chance to win a National title at their own level.
Comparing how competitive Ulster is to the rest of the provinces the whole thing is a basket case.
Has to be a fairer smarter way to do this,"
So true. It works at club level,and for a small Junior club winning a County Championship is a wonderful occasion and celebrated as joyously as a bigger clubs Senior win. Then it is followed by a crack at the bigger boys the next year. Maybe a 12 team Senior Championship with 10 team Intermediate and Junior Championship

seamusorinn (USA) - Posts: 201 - 23/04/2021 23:16:10    2338586

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "As much as I love the Ulster Championship I think the provincial system is finished, we need a 3 tiered All Ireland series, Senior, intermediate and Junior, then every county has a chance to win a National title at their own level.
Comparing how competitive Ulster is to the rest of the provinces the whole thing is a basket case.
Has to be a fairer smarter way to do this,"
Yes exactly and run your cup competitions like provincials straight knockout on certain weekends throughout the year. Just like the premier league and FA cup model.

monaghanmad (Monaghan) - Posts: 259 - 24/04/2021 09:17:04    2338599

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