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All the intrigue is on the lower side of the draw. Cavan will most likely be coming into the Tyrone game on the back of promotion and will be looking to take the final Ulster scalp missing from their recent collection. Can it still be called a shock if a reigning champion wins in the first rd? It should not be here.

Still you would have to go with Tyrone at this point. If Tyrone get over Cavan I would see them taking out Donegal too; either way it is hard to see Cavan coming past both.

On the top side, Armagh are odds-on for the final. Fermanagh and Monaghan have played out two of the worst championship matches in recent years, winning one each and getting well beat subsequently. Neither will have the stomach for Armagh.

So on balance its Tyrone and Armagh in a throwback final with post-Harte Tyrone coming out on top.

Eddie the Exile (Monaghan) - Posts: 865 - 21/04/2021 13:46:55    2338205

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Replying To OGarmaile:  "I think we have a hard draw but I'm confident we will beat Cavan. And I believe we will win Ulster. While we have changed management, I don't believe the team is in transition and I'm sure our panel will be stronger than it was last season."
I think you were lucky Donegal went in arrogant last year. We rarely lose in championship football to a team we are better than. Sport is sport though and it should be a good battle.

OGarmaile (Tyrone) - Posts: 246 - 21/04/2021 14:26:26    2338214

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Good draw for both Armagh and Monaghan who both will fancy each other and getting to a final. Not a good draw for the reigning champs having to play Tyrone and potentially Donegal before getting to a final. I actually fancy Tyrone to take Cavan out (sorry Cavan) with the power of McKenna and McShane with Canavan a year more forward in his development. Be interesting to see how they perform under new management with the attacking players Tyrone have. Not sure they are as strong in other areas of the pitch as they were which makes Tyrone a compelling watch. As for Donegal like Cavan not a great draw. Down first up could be very tricky. This Down team should have beaten Cavan missing some big chances which gave Cavan a life line to come back. You certainly couldn't make the same argument regarding Donegal against Cavan with Cavan been deserving winners. If getting over Down it will be Derry who I would fancy Donegal to beat given the style of play Gallagher will probably implement. Then its potentially Tyrone or Cavan and its not even a final. The big concern is injuries after such a run of games especially as the competitions commence.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2687 - 21/04/2021 15:41:23    2338225

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Replying To Loughduff Lad:  "Lost by a few points in qualifiers in 2019. Won a McKenna Cup game in maybe 2017. That's about it really. Think it was 1983 when we last beat them in Championship..."
What's your idea of a few points? Cavan were beat by 16 points that day in the sun. That's about it really.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 1018 - 21/04/2021 16:00:22    2338227

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There are a number of statements here about the lower and upper half of the draw. But the semi-finals have not been drawn yet, as far as I understand, so all combinations are possible at this stage.

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 21/04/2021 16:18:45    2338232

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "There are a number of statements here about the lower and upper half of the draw. But the semi-finals have not been drawn yet, as far as I understand, so all combinations are possible at this stage."
Yeah I've seen a couple of different versions of what the semi final draw might be but surely the one in the Ulster GAA website is the right one?

That has:
Down/Donegal vs Derry
Tyrone v Cavan

Armagh vs Antrim
Fermanagh vs Monaghan

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 7479 - 21/04/2021 16:27:31    2338236

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Replying To Saynothing:  "What's your idea of a few points? Cavan were beat by 16 points that day in the sun. That's about it really."
Meant 2018, yeah 2019 was a bad year. That was a few weeks after losing an Ulster final, so was always hard getting up for that one. Had kinda blanked that one out! We did also draw with ye in 2016 before losing in the replay. Will be a good game anyway, this quarter final...

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 21/04/2021 16:29:02    2338237

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Replying To tonguey:  "I think that ye will struggle to beat us to be honest- think Tyrone are over hyped- have done very little these past few years to merit any kind of arrogance"
I tend to agree; don't underestimate how much confidence an Ulster title will have given Cavan. To many, probably to Cavan people themselves the title was a surprise, but in many ways it was a county realising their potential.

Tyrone are never easy beat in championship football, but I have a feeling Harte is going to be missed more than Tyrone people realise. Even as Ulster Champions Cavan will go in as underdogs but it's a game I can see Cavan winning; it'll certainly only be a point or two in it either way.

sam1884 (UK) - Posts: 856 - 21/04/2021 16:56:44    2338242

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah I've seen a couple of different versions of what the semi final draw might be but surely the one in the Ulster GAA website is the right one?

That has:
Down/Donegal vs Derry
Tyrone v Cavan

Armagh vs Antrim
Fermanagh vs Monaghan"
Ah yes, thanks, you're right - hadn't seen that one. Curtains for Cavan so!

CeachtPeile (Cavan) - Posts: 57 - 21/04/2021 17:00:32    2338243

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "There are a number of statements here about the lower and upper half of the draw. But the semi-finals have not been drawn yet, as far as I understand, so all combinations are possible at this stage."
Well understood. There was a draw on TV which did not include the draw for the semi finals. When and where was the draw for semi finals done for it to appear on the Ulster GAA website?

tyroneed (Tyrone) - Posts: 748 - 21/04/2021 18:23:05    2338257

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Replying To CeachtPeile:  "Ah yes, thanks, you're right - hadn't seen that one. Curtains for Cavan so!"
I wasn't sure myself but was going on what I read on this website. Think in Leinster a draw will be made for the semifinals not that it matters a whole deal.

panamasam (Australia) - Posts: 2687 - 21/04/2021 18:24:10    2338258

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Hope I'm wrong but Tyrone will beat Cavan by 15 points.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 752 - 21/04/2021 21:28:59    2338276

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Funny how in ulster anyone can beat anyone while Dublin are already preparing for their all Ireland semi final. Imagine if every province was competitive like Ulster where you can't take your eye off the game ahead of you. Dublin don't have that worry and that in itself is a huge advantage. Teams in ulster need to peak a month earlier and prepare tactics and detailed notes on the opposition while Dublin sit back and watch Eagle eyed their all Ireland semi opponents.

TheRock2121 (Donegal) - Posts: 752 - 21/04/2021 21:34:51    2338280

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Funny how in ulster anyone can beat anyone while Dublin are already preparing for their all Ireland semi final. Imagine if every province was competitive like Ulster where you can't take your eye off the game ahead of you. Dublin don't have that worry and that in itself is a huge advantage. Teams in ulster need to peak a month earlier and prepare tactics and detailed notes on the opposition while Dublin sit back and watch Eagle eyed their all Ireland semi opponents."
Then scrap the provincials? but you lot love yours, so nothing we Dubs can do about the dumbass GAA structues.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4734 - 21/04/2021 23:50:30    2338291

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Funny how in ulster anyone can beat anyone while Dublin are already preparing for their all Ireland semi final. Imagine if every province was competitive like Ulster where you can't take your eye off the game ahead of you. Dublin don't have that worry and that in itself is a huge advantage. Teams in ulster need to peak a month earlier and prepare tactics and detailed notes on the opposition while Dublin sit back and watch Eagle eyed their all Ireland semi opponents."
And Dublin beat the Ulster champions in third gear last year by 15 points could of won by 25 if they wanted to

Irishcelt (Wicklow) - Posts: 149 - 22/04/2021 00:22:24    2338296

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The only provincial championship worth talking about anymore sadly. Every team in Ulster on their day can win games.

Tyrone aren't what they used to be, but still easily one of the hardest teams in the land to beat. They're very consistent, you know what you're going to get but the challenge is in overcoming it. I respect that consistency.

Armagh are the biggest serial underacheivers (in my opinion) in the entire game. Derry and Down are also good on the right day. Fermanagh and Antrim in any other province would be respected.

Donegal will be due a big season after last year. Watch this space. Very hard to make a summation of where Monaghan is at currently but if I was to be bold I think their heyday may be a few years back and they have been on a slow decline. Like Tyrone though, hard to beat.

I'll be rooting for Cavan, but watch the usual suspects of Tyrone and Donegal. Thats my prediction.

Young_gael (Meath) - Posts: 480 - 22/04/2021 06:54:05    2338299

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Hope I'm wrong but Tyrone will beat Cavan by 15 points."
You seriously think a Tyrone team with new management and very few games last year will beat a side by 15 points who showed last year that they are decent? Many said the same about Cavan in the final last year (including you, you called a similar margin of victory for Donegal here), and look what happened. Many of these Cavan lads have beaten these same Tyrone lads in minor/U21 games, so while it's not the same they know they're not far away from them. It'll be tough and tight, hardly a thrashing the likes of what you're saying though. Lets hope your predictions follow a similar line, as you've been very badly wrong before

Loughduff Lad (Cavan) - Posts: 1182 - 22/04/2021 08:05:27    2338307

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It's the Ulster Championship as like last year Tyrone could easily go out in round one. You can not look any further than the first game.

Byanthon (Tyrone) - Posts: 1701 - 22/04/2021 09:34:43    2338310

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Replying To TheRock2121:  "Funny how in ulster anyone can beat anyone while Dublin are already preparing for their all Ireland semi final. Imagine if every province was competitive like Ulster where you can't take your eye off the game ahead of you. Dublin don't have that worry and that in itself is a huge advantage. Teams in ulster need to peak a month earlier and prepare tactics and detailed notes on the opposition while Dublin sit back and watch Eagle eyed their all Ireland semi opponents."
They sit at home waiting because they never have to move anywhere to play, which is extremely unfair. But good enough for the other Leinster counties that facilitate it happening.

republicofcloone (Leitrim) - Posts: 375 - 22/04/2021 09:43:22    2338312

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Replying To Irishcelt:  "And Dublin beat the Ulster champions in third gear last year by 15 points could of won by 25 if they wanted to"
You're from Wicklow and talking about teams gettings hammerings- haha. You could not make it up

the creeler (Cavan) - Posts: 512 - 22/04/2021 09:58:54    2338319

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