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Replying To royaldunne:  "Not at moment no, there was rumours going around in jan feb. But with andys niece been the minister for justice it would be probably a bigger controversy than dub, and definitely front page news as it would turn political too. So by all accounts all players are training individually but no collective. That's the news I'm hearing anyway."
And I believe you :D

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 09/04/2021 19:20:25    2336639

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Replying To lionofludesch:  "What would the chances be if we hadn't locked down, though ?

0.1% ?

Or more ?"
Well personally i dont think it would be more than 0.1% no.

If anything it would be less.

Let me explain.

I live in the city centre. Every singe weekend the parks, canals and various other places are absolutely packed with people congregating and drinking. Packed with more people than i have ever seen in my life. More than i've ever seen before this pandemic. Especially in the last few weeks as we get closer to the summer. Why is that? Well the reasons are obvious with the pubs/restaurants being closed.

Now, has their been a sudden rise in cases? And has there suddenly been a surge in cases related to outdoor settings? The answer is a resounding NO!!

This all backs up my argument that it is near impossible to catch the virus in an outdoor setting.

So why aren't sports allowed outdoors?

Why cant people at least look forward to some outdoor dining/drinks at the weekend if that's what they are into?

Why cant people head outside their 5k and go for a hike up to somewhere like Glendalough for example?

Its b*llshit lads!!!

Little things like that can make a huge difference to peoples mental health.

And make no mistake about it, Covid isn't the only pandemic here at the moment. There's a mental health pandemic as well.

But you wont hear about that. Covid is the only game in town. Nothing else matters.

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1992 - 10/04/2021 13:25:00    2336720

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Another problem in Monaghan last night with a club training raided with over 30 in attendance??

FrankAnnyalla (Monaghan) - Posts: 336 - 10/04/2021 14:46:16    2336731

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Well there is no doubt that the people affected financially and mentally will far outweigh the amount of people who will die from this virus.

There is no other way, protect the vulnerable and ill, and open up, or we will never get out of this. This is not a viable solution.

Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 10/04/2021 14:57:30    2336733

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Replying To realdub:  "Well there is no doubt that the people affected financially and mentally will far outweigh the amount of people who will die from this virus.

There is no other way, protect the vulnerable and ill, and open up, or we will never get out of this. This is not a viable solution.

Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."
So financial and mental health ahead of losing your life....says a lot alright!

ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 10/04/2021 16:26:37    2336743

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Some neck on Cork manager to appeal the ban. Take your punishment

galwayfball (Galway) - Posts: 1496 - 10/04/2021 16:51:48    2336747

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Replying To ONdeDITCH:  "So financial and mental health ahead of losing your life....says a lot alright!"
Read my post, I think I mentioned protection for the vulnerable.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 10/04/2021 18:21:41    2336761

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Some neck on Cork manager to appeal the ban. Take your punishment"
I agree fully. These managers have given the one finger to the entire nation and have put themselves above health advice.
Book should be thrown at them.
A serious case made to have a penalty system that really has an effect.
Even playing all league games away I dont think is enough especially this year.

carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1646 - 10/04/2021 18:49:46    2336766

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Replying To galwayfball:  "Some neck on Cork manager to appeal the ban. Take your punishment"
Oh for sure, mortified.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 757 - 10/04/2021 20:02:37    2336775

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Replying To realdub:  "Well there is no doubt that the people affected financially and mentally will far outweigh the amount of people who will die from this virus.

There is no other way, protect the vulnerable and ill, and open up, or we will never get out of this. This is not a viable solution.

Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."
I agree totally, once the vulnearable are protected with vaccines things have to open up and not just for the que jumpers for everyone. The amount of really sick people now requiring cancer treatments and cancelled operations is appalling. Businesses closed down for 12 months may never open again, 40% of population is virtually locked out. A dreadfully slow disorganised vaccine roll out is actually making things worse. GAA should be pushing harder to open up club grounds.

arock (Dublin) - Posts: 4733 - 11/04/2021 11:56:53    2336840

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Intercounty football should have been let go ahead anyway, people are crowded into supermarkets but they are not allowed to play sport out in the open air? bloody nonsense from the 'authorities'

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1822 - 11/04/2021 13:33:02    2336849

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Replying To realdub:  "Well there is no doubt that the people affected financially and mentally will far outweigh the amount of people who will die from this virus.

There is no other way, protect the vulnerable and ill, and open up, or we will never get out of this. This is not a viable solution.

Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."
Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 11/04/2021 13:58:33    2336852

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Replying To realdub:  "Well there is no doubt that the people affected financially and mentally will far outweigh the amount of people who will die from this virus.

There is no other way, protect the vulnerable and ill, and open up, or we will never get out of this. This is not a viable solution.

Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."
Well said!

ConnollyDub (Dublin) - Posts: 1992 - 12/04/2021 08:56:35    2336931

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8285 - 12/04/2021 17:17:55    2337002

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Replying To realdub:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it."
Absolutely, this has to be the last lockdown, vaccinate now and achieve herd immunity. Intercounty football and hurling should never have been stopped.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 1822 - 12/04/2021 21:41:54    2337028

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "
Replying To realdub:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it."
Absolutely, this has to be the last lockdown, vaccinate now and achieve herd immunity. Intercounty football and hurling should never have been stopped."]Bang on the money. It was wrong to ban inter county footballers and hurlers.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5707 - 12/04/2021 22:42:06    2337029

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "
Replying To realdub:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it."
Absolutely, this has to be the last lockdown, vaccinate now and achieve herd immunity. Intercounty football and hurling should never have been stopped."]they completely should. if you want it to be the last lockdown then inter county had to be stopped.
you have complete double standards if you are saying this has to be the last lockdown while also wanting inter county to continue to be played.

who are the they you are referring to?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2581 - 12/04/2021 23:46:35    2337031

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "Intercounty football should have been let go ahead anyway, people are crowded into supermarkets but they are not allowed to play sport out in the open air? bloody nonsense from the 'authorities'"
completely different and whats with authorities in inverted commas?

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 2581 - 12/04/2021 23:47:09    2337032

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Replying To realdub:  "
Replying To AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it."
I think it's a bit insulting actually to imply that the efforts of the Government agencies to save thousands of lives and stop the health system from crashing as "rhetoric". It's also insulting to the hard working frontline workers who have worked day and night trying to save as many lives as possible and then on top of that to insinuate whether people died "with or of covid". Even medical professionals find it difficult to immediately evaluate that, so you're certainly not qualified to make such a judgement.

Have you already forgotten the harrowing images from Italy at the early part of last year when the virus started to get a foothold in Europe, tens of thousands of dead bodies with no room left in the morgues and army trucks ferrying the dead to remote crematoriums. I'm you don't think that would have been an acceptable price to pay for the freedom to go and have a few pints and watch a game of hurling or football, and I can tell you the exact same thing would have happened in Ireland had the government not acted, and I can also tell you this, that's when you would really have a significantly higher rise in mental health issues than the 300% rise you mentioned, but the only difference is there would be nobody to help them because the whole health service in Ireland would have collapsed. That's the only big picture you need to think about.

Yes of course many businesses have been destroyed as they were in the most recent recession and every one that went before that, but this isn't unique to Ireland but again the government is doing what it can to support these businesses and individuals. Ireland is already a heavily indebted country remember, it's not some cash rich arab state.

The whole world is fed up by the virus and I can see and understand the strain in your words, but you know something, maybe it's time we should be thankful that vaccines have been developed at such rapid speed and look forward to better days ahead, instead of giving out about it constantly, because it's a futile exercise. Things are improving rapidly at the moment and long may that continue.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 12/04/2021 23:47:19    2337033

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "
Replying To realdub:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "Some say that if this way saves at least one life it is worth it, is it? Absolutely not."

It's not about saving one life though, it's about saving thousands of lives."
That is the rethoric that will thrown at you if you dare frown at the present situation.
You do realise that many, many of these deaths are recorded as covid if they were positive at that time.
Remember, with covid is not 'of' covid.
You are right about the 1000s of lives though, the mental health related A&E cases have risen 300%, and what will happen when all the folk who have had their livelihoods destroyed hit rock bottom?
Sadly we will be finding out over the next couple of years.
It's a horrible choice, but the bigger picture screams get on with it."
Absolutely, this has to be the last lockdown, vaccinate now and achieve herd immunity. Intercounty football and hurling should never have been stopped."]There wasn't a great push by the GAA to regain the elite status in all honesty.

AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1946 - 12/04/2021 23:52:29    2337034

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