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The Dublin county board have pulled a fast one here on head quarters with the quick 12 week ban, did they call a full board meeting to discuss this news or were they prepared for when/ if they got caught.

Head quarters can do nothing now as both Down and Cork managers got 12 week bans, so can't see how they will give Dessie more as they will appeal.

You would guess most counties have been doing similar but its just embarresing for the all ireland champions to be caught with only 3 weeks before everyone is back.

They will lose they're home game at Croke park in the league, it will be probably played in parnell park now! boys will need sat nav to find that pitch :)

Yourjoking (USA) - Posts: 744 - 02/04/2021 16:29:20    2335808

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Replying To realdub:  "And where is all this racism and sexism taking place? Do you live in Russia?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7897 - 01/04/2021 21:01:29 Just look at the news, see posts by many female journalists, commentators on issues of all kinds on social media and look at comments below them and there's so many misogynistic posts

The news? Like what exactly? Social media? A platform for idiots. I'm talking about real life, I don't see or hear it, ever."
Actually I agree with this. I wouldn't stand for racism sexism in my everyday life. It appals me as I'm sure vast majority would be same. I don't see it or hear it.
Yet on social media I recently criticised the Lord Mayor of Dublin, for her VIEWS AND POLICIES, I was called a racist and a sexist. Go figure.

royaldunne (Meath) - Posts: 19449 - 02/04/2021 16:40:05    2335810

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nah KillingFields. I'm not having that. The Sevens players on the Irish women's rugby squad have professional contracts. The rest of the squad are amateur. They will be travelling abroad twice this month to play games. It is a distinct possibility that Italy where 108,000 people have died from Covid will provide the opposition in the final game. Should that materialise this predominantly amateur squad will have to travel to Italy. Some of that squad work in the community just like male and female hurlers and footballers. Yet male and female hurlers and footballers have been banned from training and playing. All of the soccer players involved in The National Women's League are amateur. Teams like UCD, Wexford Youths and Cork City amongst others in Division One of The LOI are amateur . They all have to work outside their sport to earn a living unless they are students. Yet they are training and playing away. Male and female hurlers and footballers were banned from training and playing. There was an unfair, inequitable distinction made. To say otherwise is wrong.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5281 - 02/04/2021 12:10:30 Of course you wont but you're wrong
The womens rugby team as i said contains many pro players and many who work as development officers where there role is going into schools, colleges, clubs to coach players and as this work isnt going ahead because school kids are at home they are able to train and work as full time athletes.
Very different from GAA payers.
Up to sports organisations and government together to determine the top level who are elite and they see it as ok so get off your high horse"
Professionalism isn't a vaccine-look at Toulon this evening, there professional how did they get Covid

updwell (Limerick) - Posts: 899 - 02/04/2021 16:43:35    2335811

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Just look at commentary about various female politicians and comments theyve made about whats been said to them.
Look at what Labour Senator Annie Hoey has to say on the issue

You have your head up your hole if you dont see or hear sexist comments/large scale sexism ever."
Largest ever? You can't say boo without offending someone these days. It was a hell of a lot worse 30/40 years regarding sexism/racism. Things have really improved.

Some people look to be offended, as for politicians, men get more abuse than women without question. If you get involved in that game you have what's coming, and they know it.

So as I said, I don't see it, don't hear it. Twitter/Facebook are cesspits and any public figure who uses them are just darn right stupid.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 02/04/2021 17:00:35    2335812

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This was a bad idea first and foremost and shouldn't have happened. People are entitled to be angry but not hysterical because this is Dublin. Yes they are role models but they are also amateur sportsmen and are entitled to be treated the same as others who were in breach of guidelines. Nothing more and nothing less.
Again today this is front page news. Do people genuinely think this warrants putting on the front pages of newspapers a couple of days consecutively?

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 02/04/2021 17:08:33    2335813

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As the rules go It appears that the virus infection is at a lower risk if you are a professional in the same way the risk was lower in the pubs when you paid 9 euros for a meal- In house building it appears safer when the house you are building does not have to be paid for!. A GAA pitch being bigger than a soccer pitch has a higher risk!. Can anyone tell me the science behind the aforementioned -it must be a very complicated algorithm that is being applied-perhaps KillingFields would be able to shine some light on it- I'd supply the torch.

browncows (Meath) - Posts: 2342 - 02/04/2021 17:33:58    2335815

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Just look at commentary about various female politicians and comments theyve made about whats been said to them.
Look at what Labour Senator Annie Hoey has to say on the issue

You have your head up your hole if you dont see or hear sexist comments/large scale sexism ever."
I don't see it large-scale tbh. In fact I think men get a far harder time than women when it comes to political criticism., and criticism in general for that matter.
Problem is that the modern enlightened world is full of screeching dogmatic progressives who think that if a man criticises a woman, he must be a misogynist, even when those criticisms are valid.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 02/04/2021 17:34:19    2335816

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Replying To realdub:  "Largest ever? You can't say boo without offending someone these days. It was a hell of a lot worse 30/40 years regarding sexism/racism. Things have really improved.

Some people look to be offended, as for politicians, men get more abuse than women without question. If you get involved in that game you have what's coming, and they know it.

So as I said, I don't see it, don't hear it. Twitter/Facebook are cesspits and any public figure who uses them are just darn right stupid."
Men dont at all get more abuse than women. Ask any female politician about the messages and types of message they receive compared to men. The stuff they can get can be so much worse than what men get
You do get ready and know its coming but public figures have to use twitter/facebook as so many other people use them

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3755 - 02/04/2021 17:39:35    2335818

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Replying To Galway9801:  "Calm down buddy, you get any more excited you'll have difficulty walking."
If you are fine with the elites of this country doing what suits them and to hell with the rest of us then we are banjaxed as as society.

MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1103 - 02/04/2021 18:01:31    2335820

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Bit off topic here but Dessie got punished and rightly so, good to see Dublin CB take ownership and not attempt some farfetched excuses but how in the name of god a week after the daily mail broke the 1st story is the Beacon CEO still in his job.

bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/04/2021 18:32:05    2335822

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "People talk about what the elderly done for our generation during the war, our young people have done as much

That has to rank as one of the most uneducated and ridiculous comments ever posted on here, you wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the people who fought and died in the great wars !"
How does this one rank? I wouldn't have minded speaking German.

Saynothing (Tyrone) - Posts: 2289 - 02/04/2021 18:36:55    2335823

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Replying To AfricanGael:  "
Replying To Greengrass:  "[quote=AfricanGael:  "People talk about what the elderly done for our generation during the war, our young people have done as much

That has to rank as one of the most uneducated and ridiculous comments ever posted on here, you wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the people who fought and died in the great wars !"
" Great wars"? There was nothing great about WW1. It was a feud between Imperialist European countries who had related royal families as their heads of state. It was not a war of liberation or a war that opposed indescribably evil totalitarian regimes. WW1 was a mincing machine that was fed millions upon millions of young men by Imperialist regimes. The sacrifices and appalling slaughter were for nothing."
If you don't know what's meant by the "great wars" then I think it's a poor start by you."]Go on. Educate me. You're never too old to learn.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 02/04/2021 18:40:59    2335825

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "This was a bad idea first and foremost and shouldn't have happened. People are entitled to be angry but not hysterical because this is Dublin. Yes they are role models but they are also amateur sportsmen and are entitled to be treated the same as others who were in breach of guidelines. Nothing more and nothing less.
Again today this is front page news. Do people genuinely think this warrants putting on the front pages of newspapers a couple of days consecutively?"
When people on here clarify straight away that this is not anti Dublin or anti Dessie Farrell then that is exactly what it is. The first thing they use is one of Dublin's own, Jim Gavin for effect. It would not have happened in his time. I surprised they did not say in Heffo's time and every body in between since. Too long around to fall for that old side step. Your are right it probably was not a good idea from a public image view but from a virus stance it does not get on the scale.
Around where I am now people are wearing shirts and carrying placards.that say "if you walk by my business and it is open mind your own business". These are genuine people who have done all they possible can to comply with rules and avoid being spreaders but now have a enough of the b.s. authorities flying by the seat of their pants. The guy with the camera would be better off taking pictures of the homeless sleeping on top of each with no chance of avoiding the virus or spreading it.

Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3035 - 02/04/2021 19:06:41    2335829

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Nah KillingFields. I'm not having that. The Sevens players on the Irish women's rugby squad have professional contracts. The rest of the squad are amateur. They will be travelling abroad twice this month to play games. It is a distinct possibility that Italy where 108,000 people have died from Covid will provide the opposition in the final game. Should that materialise this predominantly amateur squad will have to travel to Italy. Some of that squad work in the community just like male and female hurlers and footballers. Yet male and female hurlers and footballers have been banned from training and playing. All of the soccer players involved in The National Women's League are amateur. Teams like UCD, Wexford Youths and Cork City amongst others in Division One of The LOI are amateur . They all have to work outside their sport to earn a living unless they are students. Yet they are training and playing away. Male and female hurlers and footballers were banned from training and playing. There was an unfair, inequitable distinction made. To say otherwise is wrong.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5281 - 02/04/2021 12:10:30 Of course you wont but you're wrong
The womens rugby team as i said contains many pro players and many who work as development officers where there role is going into schools, colleges, clubs to coach players and as this work isnt going ahead because school kids are at home they are able to train and work as full time athletes.
Very different from GAA payers.
Up to sports organisations and government together to determine the top level who are elite and they see it as ok so get off your high horse"
Really? How many full time professional players are on the squad? Can you provide me with specific numbers please. How many more players are development officers? Can you provide me with specific numbers please from an accessible, reliable source. I checked the player profiles of the Irish women's rugby squad last season. The number of professional players was in single figures out of a squad of over thirty players. The rest of the squad were either students or were working for a living. There was a number of healthcare professionals and there was also quite a few teachers on the squad. I don't recall large numbers of development officers. I looked briefly at some player profiles on the IRFU website yesterday . Only Clare Molloy gave her profession. She is a doctor based in Bristol. The rest of the players occupations weren't listed. I would like to see the numbers that substantiate your claim that the Irish women's rugby squad contains a large number of professional players with a large proportion of the rest of the squad working as development officers. Could you post a link please as I am sceptical about your claims. I noticed also that you made no reference to the amateur soccer teams I referred to. If what I say is wrong in relation to the Irish women's rugby team then I want to stand corrected on the basis of credible evidence which you hopefully will provide. You are correct when you say the government decide what is elite. All anyone is looking for is a fair and equitable application of the definition of elite. That has not happened in this country.

Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 6178 - 02/04/2021 19:10:45    2335830

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Men dont at all get more abuse than women. Ask any female politician about the messages and types of message they receive compared to men. The stuff they can get can be so much worse than what men get
You do get ready and know its coming but public figures have to use twitter/facebook as so many other people use them"
You start your post with "ask any female politician", what're they gonna say? No, it's fine, it comes with the job? If course they won't

1-men don't talk as much about what's bothering them,
2-even if they did, it's unlikely they'd be given the same level of support and sympathy that women are

Masochism is absolutely everywhere in modern society,80% of suicides are committed by men, but people like you would rather give your attention to a female politician who believes she should never be criticised.
Shame on you.

Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 02/04/2021 19:16:14    2335831

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Replying To KillingFields:  "Men dont at all get more abuse than women. Ask any female politician about the messages and types of message they receive compared to men. The stuff they can get can be so much worse than what men get
You do get ready and know its coming but public figures have to use twitter/facebook as so many other people use them"
You are wrong, men are constantly destroyed if they are politicians, and proper order. And no, they don't have to use them, just reading them should tell them that, pure stupidity.

realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8746 - 02/04/2021 19:48:03    2335833

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Replying To Canuck:  "When people on here clarify straight away that this is not anti Dublin or anti Dessie Farrell then that is exactly what it is. The first thing they use is one of Dublin's own, Jim Gavin for effect. It would not have happened in his time. I surprised they did not say in Heffo's time and every body in between since. Too long around to fall for that old side step. Your are right it probably was not a good idea from a public image view but from a virus stance it does not get on the scale.
Around where I am now people are wearing shirts and carrying placards.that say "if you walk by my business and it is open mind your own business". These are genuine people who have done all they possible can to comply with rules and avoid being spreaders but now have a enough of the b.s. authorities flying by the seat of their pants. The guy with the camera would be better off taking pictures of the homeless sleeping on top of each with no chance of avoiding the virus or spreading it."
Exactly ,you see this is not a journalist who is over concerned about making any great contribution to the safety of the nation but more about an attention grabbing opportunity to sell newspapers and over sensationalise a relatively minor incident.
All this talk of Jim Gavin as you say is just another way to kick Dessie Farrell.
I'd imagine you're probably of a similar vintage to myself and have been around long enough to see that this acts as nothing more than a deflection from what is utter incompetence on the part of the authorities to carry out their responsibilities on anything close to a mediocre standard.
Also, I will no longer be buying one of these newspapers as talk is cheap but the only language that counts with these publications is to stop buying their print.

Dubh_linn (Dublin) - Posts: 2313 - 02/04/2021 20:15:29    2335836

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Replying To Yourjoking:  "The Dublin county board have pulled a fast one here on head quarters with the quick 12 week ban, did they call a full board meeting to discuss this news or were they prepared for when/ if they got caught.

Head quarters can do nothing now as both Down and Cork managers got 12 week bans, so can't see how they will give Dessie more as they will appeal.

You would guess most counties have been doing similar but its just embarresing for the all ireland champions to be caught with only 3 weeks before everyone is back.

They will lose they're home game at Croke park in the league, it will be probably played in parnell park now! boys will need sat nav to find that pitch :)"
I would guess the gaa will alter the DCB s punishment and here is why.Dessie s ban starts now but Cork and Downs ban only starts when training resumes so their bans have nt even started yet although its a couple of months ago.Im open to correction but that's my knowledge of it anyway.Also on Down while they broke gaa rules on training like Cork and Dublin I don't think they broke government rules as at the time Northern rules were more relaxed than the south at that time.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3901 - 02/04/2021 20:32:17    2335837

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Replying To CiarraiMick:  "I would guess the gaa will alter the DCB s punishment and here is why.Dessie s ban starts now but Cork and Downs ban only starts when training resumes so their bans have nt even started yet although its a couple of months ago.Im open to correction but that's my knowledge of it anyway.Also on Down while they broke gaa rules on training like Cork and Dublin I don't think they broke government rules as at the time Northern rules were more relaxed than the south at that time."
That's not true. Cork and Down appealed the decision so their punishments start from the hearing date. Had they accepted it they would be well into their ban by now.

lilylanger (Kildare) - Posts: 758 - 02/04/2021 21:27:22    2335841

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Replying To Dubh_linn:  "This was a bad idea first and foremost and shouldn't have happened. People are entitled to be angry but not hysterical because this is Dublin. Yes they are role models but they are also amateur sportsmen and are entitled to be treated the same as others who were in breach of guidelines. Nothing more and nothing less.
Again today this is front page news. Do people genuinely think this warrants putting on the front pages of newspapers a couple of days consecutively?"
The market sets the game. People like to have something to give out about. However on this occasion,  I believe their giving out is somewhat justified. For members of the all Ireland champions to go against its own organisation's announcement from the day previous, this sort of backlash was inevitable and justified

97Cavans (Cavan) - Posts: 406 - 02/04/2021 21:39:32    2335843

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