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The controversial training session was stupid in the extreme and possibly criminal. We had the Beacon controversy where the new elite were perceived to be doing what they pleased to the detriment of others and now we have the elite football team of possibly a few generations seemingly doing what suited them and to hell with current legally binding regulations. Those people should be setting good example where as they have done the exact opposite. And the extra fast move of the Dublin GAA authorities by suspending Mr Farrell in record time simply cannot be the end of the matter, gamekeeper and poacher can never be the same person. So it is up to both the central GAA and the state's legal apparatus to deal with this independently of each other. Just because you think you are important or may actually be important does not mean you are above the law.
MillerX (Meath) - Posts: 1062 - 02/04/2021 12:29:57
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Replying To wexico15: "Just follow him on Twitter he's a pathetic attention seeker who thrives on negativity.
The day CJ Stander announced his retirement called him a mercenary after everything he gave to Munster and Ireland
Like him I taught Pat Gilroy was a joke on the Sunday game before xmas but bringing up his weight etc. is hardly professional behaviour from a journalist
Has tweeted really distasteful stuff following bereavements remember an incident after Gay Byrne passed away.
He usually deletes this horrible stuff in the days after.
Anyway seems you're 1 of the narrow minded people who endorse him on Twitter so you can't be taken seriously." What did CJ Stander do that was so amazing? He played for Munster and Ireland and was very well paid to do so. Incidentally both teams won fk all as well and the national team choked under pressure as usual. Was he a life saving philanthropist at the same time or something? Where is this "all he did" coming from??!
Crinigan (Meath) - Posts: 1318 - 02/04/2021 12:33:09
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Replying To FoolsGold: "All those other instance's are a different issue and not In the Gaa ontrol
. The Gaa issued a statement 12 hours before the training session. Dublin are portrayed as role models to the GAA, but it was more like a 2 finger to everyone else.
It didn't need to be on the front news ,but probably no harm either as at least counties would wise up and not think about breakong the ban now." Never said they are GAA related but when you dramatise this by relating a kick about by 9 lads to being front page news worthy and what else is happening around the world in a pandemic you brought far more than GAA matters into it.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 02/04/2021 12:46:18
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Replying To Greengrass: " Replying To AfricanGael: "People talk about what the elderly done for our generation during the war, our young people have done as much
That has to rank as one of the most uneducated and ridiculous comments ever posted on here, you wouldn't be here today if it wasn't for the people who fought and died in the great wars !" " Great wars"? There was nothing great about WW1. It was a feud between Imperialist European countries who had related royal families as their heads of state. It was not a war of liberation or a war that opposed indescribably evil totalitarian regimes. WW1 was a mincing machine that was fed millions upon millions of young men by Imperialist regimes. The sacrifices and appalling slaughter were for nothing."
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/04/2021 12:48:16
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Replying To superos: "LOI competitions run along side the UEFA calender and all leagues across Europe are playing at the moment. Also our teams are in European club competition come July and one other point is not one Covid violation was broken by the Football player's or clubsin the country during the past 12 months ....pity we can't say the same about our club and county team" Not officially broken ,but I doubt very much that those players spent all their free time cocooning, though you probably believe they did..
Also, forget about this running alongside uefa timetables guff. The virus doesn't give a damn about uefa scheduling as well you know. The reasons for gaa players being banned from playing apply every bit as much to loi players.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 02/04/2021 13:10:58
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I see ex Mayo player Alan Dillon calling for a full investigation now, stinks of bitterness.
Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 1908 - 02/04/2021 13:29:45
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Nah KillingFields. I'm not having that. The Sevens players on the Irish women's rugby squad have professional contracts. The rest of the squad are amateur. They will be travelling abroad twice this month to play games. It is a distinct possibility that Italy where 108,000 people have died from Covid will provide the opposition in the final game. Should that materialise this predominantly amateur squad will have to travel to Italy. Some of that squad work in the community just like male and female hurlers and footballers. Yet male and female hurlers and footballers have been banned from training and playing. All of the soccer players involved in The National Women's League are amateur. Teams like UCD, Wexford Youths and Cork City amongst others in Division One of The LOI are amateur . They all have to work outside their sport to earn a living unless they are students. Yet they are training and playing away. Male and female hurlers and footballers were banned from training and playing. There was an unfair, inequitable distinction made. To say otherwise is wrong.
Greengrass (Louth) - Posts: 5281 - 02/04/2021 12:10:30 Of course you wont but you're wrong
The womens rugby team as i said contains many pro players and many who work as development officers where there role is going into schools, colleges, clubs to coach players and as this work isnt going ahead because school kids are at home they are able to train and work as full time athletes.
Very different from GAA payers.
Up to sports organisations and government together to determine the top level who are elite and they see it as ok so get off your high horse
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 02/04/2021 13:37:35
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The Dublin CB were right and also entitled to discipline Dessie Farrell in the manner in which they did.
A 12 week suspension is a severe punishment for a manager and in line with the strong message sent by the GAA when dealing with similar breaches.
A fine may also be appropriate in this case for Dublin GAA but it should stop there and rightly so.
No Cork, Down or Mayo players were given individual punishments off the back of breaches in guidelines made by their own management teams.
Why should a number of Dublin players be any different?
The highly self serving comments and selective condemnation is funny and so blatantly see through.. but it's to be expected on here and further afield. Nothing new and completely predictable bleating from the usual corners.
What occurred was a very poor lack of judgement by senior management and as such that is where the punishment should fall.
It's quite embarrassing and shouldn't have happened under a very experienced and versed GAA man that knows only too well where the spot light is pointing.
Silly carry on.
Bad calls at this level can be very costly.
jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 20600 - 02/04/2021 13:38:08
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Replying To catch22: "Never said they are GAA related but when you dramatise this by relating a kick about by 9 lads to being front page news worthy and what else is happening around the world in a pandemic you brought far more than GAA matters into it." You're going off tangent again.Im discussing Gaa related stuff, of course there is lots of stuff going on around the world
And go and talk to try Dublin County board and Larry McCarty and whoever else ,and tell them to stop dramatising too
FoolsGold (Cavan) - Posts: 2763 - 02/04/2021 14:11:49
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Replying To MillerX: "The controversial training session was stupid in the extreme and possibly criminal. We had the Beacon controversy where the new elite were perceived to be doing what they pleased to the detriment of others and now we have the elite football team of possibly a few generations seemingly doing what suited them and to hell with current legally binding regulations. Those people should be setting good example where as they have done the exact opposite. And the extra fast move of the Dublin GAA authorities by suspending Mr Farrell in record time simply cannot be the end of the matter, gamekeeper and poacher can never be the same person. So it is up to both the central GAA and the state's legal apparatus to deal with this independently of each other. Just because you think you are important or may actually be important does not mean you are above the law." Nobody is saying it was not a breach of covid 19 regs. And a kick around outside for a few young men is now a major incident. I have a park near me. There are pitches. Young lads have a kick about on them. Should I report that to the Gardai.
Well I for one am glad they are doing something like football, rather than hanging around outside shops causing hassle. Why did the Irish Independent journo not approach the Dubs players and tell them he was photographing them. Instead of sneakily hiding in the bushes.
galwayford (Galway) - Posts: 2519 - 02/04/2021 14:20:12
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Replying To Crinigan: "What did CJ Stander do that was so amazing? He played for Munster and Ireland and was very well paid to do so. Incidentally both teams won fk all as well and the national team choked under pressure as usual. Was he a life saving philanthropist at the same time or something? Where is this "all he did" coming from??!" You ok hun? xoxo
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 02/04/2021 14:30:29
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And where is all this racism and sexism taking place? Do you live in Russia?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7897 - 01/04/2021 21:01:29 Just look at the news, see posts by many female journalists, commentators on issues of all kinds on social media and look at comments below them and there's so many misogynistic posts
The news? Like what exactly? Social media? A platform for idiots. I'm talking about real life, I don't see or hear it, ever.
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 8589 - 02/04/2021 14:35:08
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Replying To Bon: "I see ex Mayo player Alan Dillon calling for a full investigation now, stinks of bitterness." As opposed to what ? A half full investigation, lol.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/04/2021 15:14:34
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From the beginning I was 100% behind the restrictions to control this horrible virus. However as time has gone on as I see how they were and are applied unfairly I find it hard to approve them. I believe history will show how bad it was handled. Big box stores get richer selling items that the small retailer has been shut down for and many put out of business for good. A lot of people have got rich by inflating prices during this virus. Dedicated essential services look like picked from a hat. Individual people hassled who are doing things that are minor and low risk while large groups indoors at parties etc. flaunt the rules and very few are dealt with. Remember these people will not follow any protocol like wearing masks or other recommendations.
Sport restrictions are so biased it is unreal. This elite b.s. used to allow certain sports to doing exactly what the GAA players are not allowed do. The GAA should be ashamed of themselves for how they have deserted there members and contributed to mental heath crisis. It is probably because they don't want to piss off the government and lose funding.
Now we have this Dublin so called outrages breach. Elevated to high pitch drama to create diversion and news. A few guys kicking a ball around in a field. How many cases of the virus did they spread ? Do we know for certain that Dessie Farrell even knew of it, or is this another knee jerk reaction and want to be seen as in control ? May be after all these players are part of an elite sport if the county or club they represent is responsible for what they do. Do counties own these players ? A lot of nonsense going and people willing to jump up on the turnip wagon.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2658 - 02/04/2021 15:15:51
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Replying To FoolsGold: "You're going off tangent again.Im discussing Gaa related stuff, of course there is lots of stuff going on around the world
And go and talk to try Dublin County board and Larry McCarty and whoever else ,and tell them to stop dramatising too" You're the only one going off on tangents for dramatic effect with your talk of pandemics. Maybe go up to your local park and give them a piece of your mind if your so concerned.
catch22 (USA) - Posts: 2148 - 02/04/2021 15:22:26
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Replying To realdub: "And where is all this racism and sexism taking place? Do you live in Russia?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7897 - 01/04/2021 21:01:29 Just look at the news, see posts by many female journalists, commentators on issues of all kinds on social media and look at comments below them and there's so many misogynistic posts
The news? Like what exactly? Social media? A platform for idiots. I'm talking about real life, I don't see or hear it, ever." You would if you were in a big city.
AfricanGael (UK) - Posts: 1947 - 02/04/2021 15:32:13
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Replying To realdub: "And where is all this racism and sexism taking place? Do you live in Russia?
realdub (Dublin) - Posts: 7897 - 01/04/2021 21:01:29 Just look at the news, see posts by many female journalists, commentators on issues of all kinds on social media and look at comments below them and there's so many misogynistic posts
The news? Like what exactly? Social media? A platform for idiots. I'm talking about real life, I don't see or hear it, ever." Just look at commentary about various female politicians and comments theyve made about whats been said to them.
Look at what Labour Senator Annie Hoey has to say on the issue
You have your head up your hole if you dont see or hear sexist comments/large scale sexism ever.
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3509 - 02/04/2021 15:50:20
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Replying To arock: "What is so irratating is that it exposes the hypocracy that exists in the GAA. A situation where it is Intercounty first above everything including clubs is disgusting. This is what happens when you give undeserved "Elite" status to what are amateurs working in the wider community. Club players cannot train according to GAA guidelines - these guidelines are NOT based on science they are based on politics and the so called local power of the GAA to bend rules.
People are right to question the sheer arrogance - someone on another thread suggested Inter-county players get vaccinated!!! It is this disgusting attitude fostered by a core element in the GAA that is actually causing it to be vilified and getting a battering today. The vast majority of people in the games are decent, hardworking volunteers who make the GAA wheels turn. The GAA would do well to listen to these voices rather than the hurlers on the ditch. What some Dublin players did is wrong and they should be ashamed of themselves. However, in terms of the death and destruction visited on nursing homes by a poor HSE/Govt is off the ricter scale in this regard. I have no doubt Dublin are not the only ones. What also is idiotic is this misguided belief that Dublin should get a different punishment to others. Dublin County Board are only following what other County boards do. But I cannot understand why training for GAA is to return for very young and Inter-county only and not the many thousands of young adults suffering in this pandemic. I do not understand how an organisation supposedly based on some values would detach and favour an elite undeserving, self important bunch of me feiners. What the lads did was what lads do everywhere but there is something else at the heart of this and it is not pretty." Clubs can't play because of the numbers playing.
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The Dubs broke the rules and everybody agrees they should be punished accordingly but what I find completely hypocritical is the amount of media attention this is getting yet when the Rte members of staff attended a party during lockdown they uttered little feeble apologies with no repercussions and it was all brushed under the carpet
Liffeylad (Dublin) - Posts: 74 - 02/04/2021 16:23:27
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Replying To MillerX: "The controversial training session was stupid in the extreme and possibly criminal. We had the Beacon controversy where the new elite were perceived to be doing what they pleased to the detriment of others and now we have the elite football team of possibly a few generations seemingly doing what suited them and to hell with current legally binding regulations. Those people should be setting good example where as they have done the exact opposite. And the extra fast move of the Dublin GAA authorities by suspending Mr Farrell in record time simply cannot be the end of the matter, gamekeeper and poacher can never be the same person. So it is up to both the central GAA and the state's legal apparatus to deal with this independently of each other. Just because you think you are important or may actually be important does not mean you are above the law." Calm down buddy, you get any more excited you'll have difficulty walking.
Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1705 - 02/04/2021 16:23:34
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