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All this talk about splitting Dublin and reducing funding and home advantage and Hill 16 and dressing rooms and none of it matters. This Dublin team would be the greatest of all time even if Dublin had only a population of 20,000. They have now surpassed the previous best team of all time which was the Dublin team 2013 to 2016. The clues to Dublin's success were there all along and we were too blind to see it. But things are changing. First John Horan let slip about the magic volunteer coaches. Now the search is on all over the country for some of those, without success as I write, but it's only a matter of time. The second clue was released by Bernard when he said Dublin players worked hard. Now that was a bombshell. Talk about giving away your secrets, it wouldn't have happened in Jim's time. James Horan was talking of bringing in a code breaker to see had Bernard left any other clues in his book but money is tight here at the minute, what with the Covid, but as soon as we the get naming rights for McHale park sorted it will be first on the agenda. Of course Horan will have our lads out running this week in order to get fit but it's all far too late for this year. How many more clues we are going to get I'm not sure but we'll probably get another one when Dessie brings out his book. Hard to second guess it but it might be that the Dublin lads only eat pizza twice a week or something completely radical like maybe Dean Rock practices frees. The Dublin lads on here know the craic and they keep defending the population, money etc to keep us off the scent. They might win the ten in a row but if they keep giving away their secrets it's only a matter of time before they are reeled in. Jim would be livid!

Llaw_Gyffes (Mayo) - Posts: 1113 - 09/12/2020 14:32:59    2320665

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You can't use my county when arguing for dublin not being split as my county only have a population of 140,000 and we are an amateur team we haven't the population or money to dominate like dublin will and that's been proved."
Whats been proved is your county has dominated Munster with 81 titles
Has dominated All IRELAND with 37 titles
Like yourselves, Dublin have an amateur team !
Even one of your own on here admits Kerry want for nothing and have plenty of money , more than most !!
Agree with the population of 140,000 , thats why Kerry should be amalgamated with Cork -:)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 14:34:13    2320667

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Apart from a small group of diehard and insatiable supporters, the problem with any team that's dominant for a long period of time is predictability and loss of interest.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1375 - 09/12/2020 14:53:49    2320681

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Whats been proved is your county has dominated Munster with 81 titles
Has dominated All IRELAND with 37 titles
Like yourselves, Dublin have an amateur team !
Even one of your own on here admits Kerry want for nothing and have plenty of money , more than most !!
Agree with the population of 140,000 , thats why Kerry should be amalgamated with Cork -:)"
I don't think Cork would approve of that given that they are now in the ascendency in Munster :)

Joxer (Dublin) - Posts: 4497 - 09/12/2020 15:00:37    2320687

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Whats been proved is your county has dominated Munster with 81 titles
Has dominated All IRELAND with 37 titles
Like yourselves, Dublin have an amateur team !
Even one of your own on here admits Kerry want for nothing and have plenty of money , more than most !!
Agree with the population of 140,000 , thats why Kerry should be amalgamated with Cork -:)"
Would you ever stop the rant about Kerry! It's boring.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1375 - 09/12/2020 15:28:27    2320692

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Replying To baire:  "Would you ever stop the rant about Kerry! It's boring."
Eh no , do you not find the rediculous amount of rants about Dublin boring ??

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 15:52:25    2320705

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Replying To Joxer:  "I don't think Cork would approve of that given that they are now in the ascendency in Munster :)"
Dont think Pat Gilroy did either :)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 15:53:40    2320707

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Replying To baire:  "Apart from a small group of diehard and insatiable supporters, the problem with any team that's dominant for a long period of time is predictability and loss of interest."
Yea same thing happened when Kerry were dominant
Oh wait sorry you find that kind of talk boring :)

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 15:56:44    2320709

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Replying To KingdomBoy1:  "You can't use my county when arguing for dublin not being split as my county only have a population of 140,000 and we are an amateur team we haven't the population or money to dominate like dublin will and that's been proved."
Dublin players are amateur too,

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 09/12/2020 16:05:18    2320715

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Replying To avonali:  "Dublin players are amateur too,"
yes but the staff and structures that enable them to be so far are ahead are not amateur. That's a big deal.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4006 - 09/12/2020 16:16:57    2320724

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Anyone hear Bernard Brogan on Today FM this morning? Delusional too. He too, like Gilroy doesn't want to address at the funding element. He believe that Dublin have better structures and towed the processes line too. The thing they are forgetting is they got the money to create those structure. It's not that we are all thick in the country. We would be well able to implement these kind of plans and frameworks if we were given the same funding.

"Process"

Robots.

daytona11 (Kildare) - Posts: 4006 - 09/12/2020 16:24:44    2320732

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Replying To daytona11:  "Anyone hear Bernard Brogan on Today FM this morning? Delusional too. He too, like Gilroy doesn't want to address at the funding element. He believe that Dublin have better structures and towed the processes line too. The thing they are forgetting is they got the money to create those structure. It's not that we are all thick in the country. We would be well able to implement these kind of plans and frameworks if we were given the same funding.

"Process"

Robots."
Explain Kerry and Mayo so ? They have competed with Dublin even got a few draws and could/should have beaten them
Are they getting more money than Kildare etc to create those structures ?

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 16:34:35    2320742

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Yea same thing happened when Kerry were dominant
Oh wait sorry you find that kind of talk boring :)"
Yes boring. Kerry going for a 5-in-row, was all about showing the others that they were the best ever. I was delighted Offaly won in 1982. It was boring for neutrals same as Dublin is boring for neutrals today. I'm interested in skilful, traditional gaelic football and seeing different counties winning an All Ireland. Kerry got themselves into a position where they could outsmart all other counties with the throw pass and hand pass to the net, trained harder, better prepared, better equipped and undoubtedly very skilful. Dublin are the same, all about outdoing Kerry, getting ahead with their number of All Irelands, passing the ball from midfield back to Cluxton, keeping the ball like a basketball player until they get within 20 yards of goal. Boring as fcuk.
Look at the roll of honours, Kerry 37, Dublin 29 and then the rest are also rans - all the others are under 10 All Irelands and most have less than 5 All Irelands! Predictable and boring unfortunately.

baire (Galway) - Posts: 1375 - 09/12/2020 17:38:30    2320773

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Replying To superbluedub:  "Explain Kerry and Mayo so ? They have competed with Dublin even got a few draws and could/should have beaten them
Are they getting more money than Kildare etc to create those structures ?"
Have they though?
I think they have just managed to compete with them in one off games here and there, in between heavy defeats akin to Aberdeen and celtic in the spl over the years.
Like if that is what people are hanging their hopes on, it is very slim pickings... How long has fenton gone now without losing a championship match? Its time to join the dots here.

All pundits seem to be talking about is the danger of 10 in a row, but it is much bigger than that. Even if mayo actually go and beat them this year - which they wont - do dublin just magically go away then? We already seen that with donegal dont forget. They come back next year and resume where they left off - another raft of all irelands. There is obviously a problem. Dublin fans should acknowledge it.

I see bernard brogan was out on the defensive today. Maybe he forgot about where he said in his own book that he couldnt get a spot for the a v b games. So not even in the top 12 forwards. The same guy probably starts for everyone bar kerry at that time. Sorry but Dublin could tog 2 elite teams 4 years ago, never mind about now.

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 09/12/2020 17:49:55    2320780

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Replying To HardCase:  "Have they though?
I think they have just managed to compete with them in one off games here and there, in between heavy defeats akin to Aberdeen and celtic in the spl over the years.
Like if that is what people are hanging their hopes on, it is very slim pickings... How long has fenton gone now without losing a championship match? Its time to join the dots here.

All pundits seem to be talking about is the danger of 10 in a row, but it is much bigger than that. Even if mayo actually go and beat them this year - which they wont - do dublin just magically go away then? We already seen that with donegal dont forget. They come back next year and resume where they left off - another raft of all irelands. There is obviously a problem. Dublin fans should acknowledge it.

I see bernard brogan was out on the defensive today. Maybe he forgot about where he said in his own book that he couldnt get a spot for the a v b games. So not even in the top 12 forwards. The same guy probably starts for everyone bar kerry at that time. Sorry but Dublin could tog 2 elite teams 4 years ago, never mind about now."
one off games here and there ?
Dublin beat Mayo in 3 All Irelands by 1 point , Mayo should have won 2 of them
Kerry drew with Dublin last year should have won
Dublin beat Kerry by 2 points in 2016 ,Kerry could have won this also
Dublin beat kerry by 3 points in 2015
Anything but heavy defeats

superbluedub (Dublin) - Posts: 2823 - 09/12/2020 18:26:06    2320793

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Replying To daytona11:  "yes but the staff and structures that enable them to be so far are ahead are not amateur. That's a big deal."
what staff? Give me. the facts. How many are in this staff? Have they more staff that , say, Kerry. I'm. talking about staff directly involved with the team. Not development officers etc.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 09/12/2020 18:32:10    2320798

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Replying To baire:  "Yes boring. Kerry going for a 5-in-row, was all about showing the others that they were the best ever. I was delighted Offaly won in 1982. It was boring for neutrals same as Dublin is boring for neutrals today. I'm interested in skilful, traditional gaelic football and seeing different counties winning an All Ireland. Kerry got themselves into a position where they could outsmart all other counties with the throw pass and hand pass to the net, trained harder, better prepared, better equipped and undoubtedly very skilful. Dublin are the same, all about outdoing Kerry, getting ahead with their number of All Irelands, passing the ball from midfield back to Cluxton, keeping the ball like a basketball player until they get within 20 yards of goal. Boring as fcuk.
Look at the roll of honours, Kerry 37, Dublin 29 and then the rest are also rans - all the others are under 10 All Irelands and most have less than 5 All Irelands! Predictable and boring unfortunately."
Dublin evolved that strategy to counter the blanket. All teams are doing it now.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1832 - 09/12/2020 18:34:12    2320802

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Replying To baire:  "Yes boring. Kerry going for a 5-in-row, was all about showing the others that they were the best ever. I was delighted Offaly won in 1982. It was boring for neutrals same as Dublin is boring for neutrals today. I'm interested in skilful, traditional gaelic football and seeing different counties winning an All Ireland. Kerry got themselves into a position where they could outsmart all other counties with the throw pass and hand pass to the net, trained harder, better prepared, better equipped and undoubtedly very skilful. Dublin are the same, all about outdoing Kerry, getting ahead with their number of All Irelands, passing the ball from midfield back to Cluxton, keeping the ball like a basketball player until they get within 20 yards of goal. Boring as fcuk.
Look at the roll of honours, Kerry 37, Dublin 29 and then the rest are also rans - all the others are under 10 All Irelands and most have less than 5 All Irelands! Predictable and boring unfortunately."
Kerry were beating the other Munster teams at a canter in those days. They turned up relatively fresh to the semi finals, whereas other teams had a competitive provincial campaign. If Kerry were in one of the other 3 provinces, they wouldn't have 37 titles. Tomas O Se, last Saturday practically said Cavan should turn around and go home, rather than play Dublin. He wasn't too worried when Kerry thrashed other teams on the way to an All Ireland title.

Dublin have a better team than anyone else at present, that came from a good underage structure.
If other counties want to compete go out and put in the effort to compete with Dublin. It won't be solved in this forum.

MicktheMiller (Offaly) - Posts: 421 - 09/12/2020 18:40:52    2320804

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If Dublin was split into 2 or more teams I'd guess their hurlers won't win as many all Irelands anymore. Oh wait! They have nt won one in many years. Is anyone thinking of that. Look most people want Dublin beaten at this stage but people are going overboard with their views. Most agree the gaa were wrong. Super 8s wrong but splitting Dublin is also wrong. This should nt be about bringing Dublin down. It should be about bringing weaker counties up.Gaa should be using the money on the poor not the rich.

CiarraiMick (Dublin) - Posts: 3040 - 09/12/2020 18:54:10    2320809

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Replying To superbluedub:  "one off games here and there ?
Dublin beat Mayo in 3 All Irelands by 1 point , Mayo should have won 2 of them
Kerry drew with Dublin last year should have won
Dublin beat Kerry by 2 points in 2016 ,Kerry could have won this also
Dublin beat kerry by 3 points in 2015
Anything but heavy defeats"
In case you hadnt realised, that is one game a year - that they still won. In the same years, they beat those teams comfortably in any other meetings, a couple of them were hammerings. Fenton hasnt lost a game yet in championship football. Sorry but people arent foolish enough to believe that an odd close game makes the thing close in general. It is kind of insulting to people's intelligence, to be honest with you.

HardCase (USA) - Posts: 64 - 09/12/2020 19:09:50    2320812

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