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Limerick against Waterford. All Ireland Hurling Final 2020

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Replying To gatha: "There were a lot of complaints about the way Horgan handled the Kilkenny Waterford match now he gets the All Ireland. Does his style favor or hurt either team?" You know how I felt about that performance by him. Look all refs have rules they are supposed to follow. No matter what rule there is always going to be grey area and subjectivity. There are also going to be mistakes and things missed in the world's fastest field sport. However as long as the referee is consistent how he is applying the rules, interrupting the rules and even using his style there should be no complaint. How often do we see a ref get caught up in euphoria of a team coming back in a game and seem to put his shoulder to the wheel to help. I hope this time that his style will not favour or hurt either team. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 04/12/2020 18:43:53 2318289 Link
Horgan was the Ref for '17 Final Galway v Waterford and he let the game flow but he will have to watch out for those sly slaps LK are tutored to do. katser (Galway) - Posts: 2554 - 04/12/2020 19:23:00 2318300 Link
Have a feeling Waterford will do it. By a point or two. CC2020 (Kilkenny) - Posts: 173 - 04/12/2020 20:02:08 2318319 Link
Replying To tiobraid: "This is baffling really. Should be the last man to ref it." Why. Who is better equipped to do so. He is from county which is bouncing both counties. I cant see a problem Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 04/12/2020 20:05:14 2318322 Link
Replying To katser: "Horgan was the Ref for '17 Final Galway v Waterford and he let the game flow but he will have to watch out for those sly slaps LK are tutored to do." Of all people Fergal Horgan will not be dictated to on how to referee a big game, as we saw on the TV Programme which dealt with his very capable handling of the 2017 Final. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 04/12/2020 20:08:11 2318324 Link
Actually let me tell you about 2017. I was sitting close to the end line among some very decent Galway supports. Before the throw with Horgan in the centre of the field two Waterford backs had their thighs redden with slaps from the same player in the old softening up process. The two umpires were watching and took no action. It emerged afterwards that Connors was seriously handicapped for the game. These Galway supporters were as surprised as we were. No one made a big deal about it because it would appear like sour grapes. Galway were the best team and deserved to win and we were never going to begrudge them. There supporters around me were a pleasure, were glad to win but did not take pleasure that it was us. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 04/12/2020 22:36:54 2318368 Link
Replying To Oldtourman: "The only reason for paying Lynch there is that he would rove and the two midfielders. O'Donovan and AO'Donoghue who both play best at MF and Kyle Hayes would also be in his best position at center forward. All speculation however and will more than likely not happen" Ah I see. Hed be like an extra midfielder. Would probably work well the way the game is developing. Hed have the energy to play the role anyway and it would fit in with your forward set up as it is. Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 15527 - 05/12/2020 08:42:50 2318407 Link
Replying To katser: "Horgan was the Ref for '17 Final Galway v Waterford and he let the game flow but he will have to watch out for those sly slaps LK are tutored to do." The idea that a team is tutored to do what you say is nothing short of pure paranoia. Why would anyone tutor a team to put themselves in danger of being put off, when there are cameras and video analysis all over the place. That a ludicrous statement. Anyway when a team are as good as those boys they don't need to do that. Who tutored Aussie to hit people so' How often has he been put off? BTW were you in Nowlan Park for the League Semi Finals in '19 and what you did you of the tackle that put Joe out of the game for months. You are also surprised that Waterford are back in a final- I am not. That day they went most of the second half of a hotly contested game with fourteen men and beat a Galway team that were 'bulling' for another cut off Limerick Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 05/12/2020 09:44:08 2318420 Link
Replying To Canuck: "In my humble opinion Limerick have been the best team in the last three years overall. I think the pundits from the big boys are worried that a dynasty other than themselves might show up. So subsequently the over analysis of how to stop them. It would be nice to have a Limerick or someone else be dominant if that is to happen. However not at our expense on Sunday week but if so and deserved good for them. Incidentally Kilkenny were not caught by Waterford last week. They were beaten by a better team and were the first to say so." You could be dead with the 'over analysis' Tipp have three All Irelands in the last ten years to our one and yet last when they were the reigning All Ireland Champions last Spring the night Lk played both Galway and Cork in the League a vast section of the GAA Programme was spent talking about Limerick and how to stop them and Tipp were hardly mentioned at all. Two very ordinary pick ups by Cian Lynch were analysed to the point of paralysis. Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4490 - 05/12/2020 12:55:07 2318476 Link
Few interesting selection decisions, for Waterford I suspect Neil Montgomery might the start ahead of Jake Dillon and will the fit again Shane Fives regain his spot? For Limerick full forward probably most up in the air Mulcahy could be under pressure to keep his place, heard a preview Ciaran Carey did with Shane Stapleton he even suggested playing Lynch midfield and Casey at 11, don't know how realistic that would be. I think this game could come down to how Waterford deal with Hegarty and Morrissey, curbing their influence was a key factor in Kilkenny's 2019 win to my might their the key components in the limerick machine. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/12/2020 10:25:06 2319039 Link
Could be a great game, Waterford will have to bring their semi final second half display to have a chance. Any team in football or hurling who bring direct running at defences will win nowadays as the packed defences/ sweepers are not programmed to deal with it, Waterford proved this v Kilkenny. moc.dna (Galway) - Posts: 1212 - 06/12/2020 10:52:05 2319050 Link
After watching football yesterday can't wait to see a hurling game. I use to love watching football but my God it is so boring today. I think Limerick will win fairly comfortably in the end. Waterford have improved in every game this year. However they did get a favorable draw throughout the Munster and All Ireland championships. Limerick beat both Galway and Tipp who were considered with Limerick the favorites this year. Waterford had Cork, an injury rattled Clare and a rebuilding Kilkenny. Cahill has done a great job in his 1st year and Waterford will be better again next year. I think Limerick learned their lesson last year against Kilkenny to never look past an opponent and have their eyes firmly on the prize. Expecting a good game for 55-60 minutes with Limerick running out a winners. gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 06/12/2020 14:23:54 2319173 Link
Replying To wexico15: "If and buts are a bit futile but if you're going down that track Limerick were a Nicky Quaid flick on Harnedy away from been beaten by Cork in 2018." Correct. But could also argue that Limerick's three missed goal chances well before Quaid's brilliance should have had Limerick well out of sight at that stage. Annoys me when people suggest that a missed chance in the last minute or a refs decision lost a game! Take our game against KK last year. It was our performance in the first 20 min that damaged us. Not Darragh O'Donovan's "missed" sideline in the last minute. That was never mentioned again by Limerick management or players. Oldtourman. I love when you smother BS with facts!! Seeking_silver (Limerick) - Posts: 411 - 06/12/2020 16:17:27 2319243 Link
Replying To Seeking_silver: "Correct. But could also argue that Limerick's three missed goal chances well before Quaid's brilliance should have had Limerick well out of sight at that stage. Annoys me when people suggest that a missed chance in the last minute or a refs decision lost a game! Take our game against KK last year. It was our performance in the first 20 min that damaged us. Not Darragh O'Donovan's "missed" sideline in the last minute. That was never mentioned again by Limerick management or players. Oldtourman. I love when you smother BS with facts!!" Darragh O Donovans sideline cut was not missed, it was deflected by a Kilkenny player over the end line and should have been a free or 65. It was a poor reflection on the sideline official and the referee. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 06/12/2020 19:34:53 2319431 Link
Replying To fainleog: "Darragh O Donovans sideline cut was not missed, it was deflected by a Kilkenny player over the end line and should have been a free or 65. It was a poor reflection on the sideline official and the referee." Shouldn't have been a sideline in the 1st place as Paul Murphy was fouled in the build up, yes 65 was missed but Limerick got the rub of the green over the 70 mins regards officiating including a very soft penalty. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/12/2020 20:28:11 2319467 Link
Replying To wexico15: "Shouldn't have been a sideline in the 1st place as Paul Murphy was fouled in the build up, yes 65 was missed but Limerick got the rub of the green over the 70 mins regards officiating including a very soft penalty." Of course it was a 65 or a free, LOL in regard to rub of the green, Kilkenny should have been playing with fourteen players as a result of the neck tackle on Barry Nash. fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 602 - 06/12/2020 20:53:11 2319486 Link
Replying To fainleog: "Of course it was a 65 or a free, LOL in regard to rub of the green, Kilkenny should have been playing with fourteen players as a result of the neck tackle on Barry Nash." The fine tradition of Limerick posters blaming referees for there short comings lives on it seems. What do mean it was a 65 or a free, shouldn't have been a sideline in the 1st place as Paul Murphy was fouled in the phase of play that proceeded it. bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 06/12/2020 20:59:24 2319491 Link
Replying To fainleog: "Of course it was a 65 or a free, LOL in regard to rub of the green, Kilkenny should have been playing with fourteen players as a result of the neck tackle on Barry Nash." What ever happened before is irrelevant, frees or who should have been sent off or not. If a ball is deflected over the end line it is a 65 meter shot. Or do we want now to decide which deflection's are 65 meter shots ? It was missed and we do know that it influenced the result. What way we will never know but different from what occurred for sure. The line's man was the one that missed it. He calls these and should over see the placing, the taking by standing behind the taker following the projectory of the ball. The referee looking at the play were the ball is going and the umpire the posts relative to the ball. There is no possible way if the lines man was doing his job that he could miss the ball getting deflected. Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 3026 - 06/12/2020 21:15:21 2319505 Link
Replying To Canuck: "What ever happened before is irrelevant, frees or who should have been sent off or not. If a ball is deflected over the end line it is a 65 meter shot. Or do we want now to decide which deflection's are 65 meter shots ? It was missed and we do know that it influenced the result. What way we will never know but different from what occurred for sure. The line's man was the one that missed it. He calls these and should over see the placing, the taking by standing behind the taker following the projectory of the ball. The referee looking at the play were the ball is going and the umpire the posts relative to the ball. There is no possible way if the lines man was doing his job that he could miss the ball getting deflected." Foul or not - opinion Sending off or not - opinion Sideline deflected out over end line clearly visible on video replay - fact chax (Limerick) - Posts: 5 - 07/12/2020 00:44:49 2319587 Link
Disgraceful how LIT Gaelic Grounds and those in charge of the Limerick Hurlers treated the Galway Ladies Football team. baire (Galway) - Posts: 1849 - 07/12/2020 09:17:20 2319625 Link