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I'm expecting something special from Waterford in the All Ireland Final and the Majority of the Country will stand up and applaud when they lift the Liam McCarthy Cup.
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 02/12/2020 13:33:39
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Replying To katser: "I'm expecting something special from Waterford in the All Ireland Final and the Majority of the Country will stand up and applaud when they lift the Liam McCarthy Cup." Wrong as usual Kitty.
ALL of the country will stand up and applaud IF Waterford lift the Liam McCarthy Cup.
Westfester (Limerick) - Posts: 943 - 02/12/2020 14:13:01
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Bit of advise to the Limerick posters, ignore Kaster who seems to be the Katie Hopkins/ Gemma O'Doherty of this page.
bostonredsox (Wexford) - Posts: 4368 - 02/12/2020 14:52:47
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Must say its a disappointing thread so far with the lack of discussion on the merits of different players and tactics etc,just oul adversarial rubbish reminiscent of schoolboys.
ONdeDITCH (Limerick) - Posts: 873 - 02/12/2020 15:03:45
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Why would it annoy Tipp People. We have beaten Tipp by at least six points in three of the last four championship matches we played them in and five times in the last eight years. However overall it is the Media and people who are generally not from Limerick who go on 'about how good are'. Every time Shefflin, Daly and Cusack get their pusses on TV they are on about 'how good Limerick are' and then go on about strategies on how 'to stop' them. When Kilkenny were winning all round them I never heard pundits devoting hours of viewing time 'on how to stop the Cats'.
You make a big issue of the three Championship matches Limerick lost last year. Lets unpack that. Cork beat us last May. For some reason Cork have beaten Limerick, Clare Tipp and Waterford during the past ten years in the month of May/June only to collapse against each of them when they got to Croke Park. This was the only year where it really was important to win the first game and they fell to Waterford. So no huge surprise there.
As regards the Round Robin Tipp game that we lost, Kiely left off four of his players and the match on in Thurles. I think he was wrong to do that but there you go. However they beat Clare, Waterford and Tipp (MF) by an average of seventeen points. Kilkenny did surprise us but how often have good KK teams been caught out like that. Offally, '94, '95 and 98 (AIF) and Wexford '94 all come to mind and of course ye got caught by Galway 05 and Cork in '13 by two teams that did sweet SFA after." Great post Oldtourman. Thanks for putting it all in perspective. That said there are still those whose minds are already made up and will not want to be confused the facts.
PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1358 - 02/12/2020 17:23:35
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Replying To PatOLogical: "Great post Oldtourman. Thanks for putting it all in perspective. That said there are still those whose minds are already made up and will not want to be confused the facts." Sorry, disregard my previous post -I replied to wrong post.
PatOLogical (Limerick) - Posts: 1358 - 02/12/2020 17:33:42
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Replying To Heftydickonem: "I think you make fair points there concerning Tipp's recent record vs Limerick, and that influencing peoples' opinion on whether Limerick should have won the All-Ireland or not and the discourse around Limerick through the winter and into this year. However even as a Kilkenny man, I would never refer to Tipp 2019 as "in some way less worthy champions" to be honest, and I don't think the hook by McGrath or the goal by O'Meara can be used as evidence that they were fortunate, to me they are evidence that Tipp were on their game and doing what it takes to win.
I 100% agree with you concerning the media and Waterford, some of the pre-match analysis left a lot to be desired, it's almost like they set a team up for a fall sometimes and then they express their shock when it does happen (of course this is not what happens, but I think you know what I mean) Anyway, I think the thread should get back to discussing the final in two weeks, it's a awful shame that the Waterford and Limerick fans cannot attend, I'm expecting something special" Thanks Hefty. I was 23 when Limerick won the All Ireland in 73 and I was going to England in a job two days later and was working there for six weeks there and and apart from the Home coming , missed all the celebrations, two years I had promised to help a man in a project that went on from the Tuesday after the Ireland until the following Sunday and if we win this year Covid is in town. You really could not make it up. However, I am past big celebrations now anyway and will enjoy the game at home quietly and will not be unduly upset if Waterford win.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 02/12/2020 18:17:48
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Looking forward to final..everyone will probably say limerick will wi..I'll agree but they have to turn up and play as well as they did against tipp..at the start of championship both full back lines would have been described as the weak links but both have improved as matches go on..half back lines on both have been excellent..midfield I would say Barron has been the outstanding player..both sets of forwards have had there days but I don't think all six on either side have clicked together...the benches on both teams have made huge differences when introduced..I'm hoping that limerick will get the result but it's going to be very close..I'll be hoping that a decision from an official won't make the difference to the result..
CTGAA10 (Limerick) - Posts: 2214 - 02/12/2020 18:27:20
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Replying To Oldtourman: "Why would it annoy Tipp People. We have beaten Tipp by at least six points in three of the last four championship matches we played them in and five times in the last eight years. However overall it is the Media and people who are generally not from Limerick who go on 'about how good are'. Every time Shefflin, Daly and Cusack get their pusses on TV they are on about 'how good Limerick are' and then go on about strategies on how 'to stop' them. When Kilkenny were winning all round them I never heard pundits devoting hours of viewing time 'on how to stop the Cats'.
You make a big issue of the three Championship matches Limerick lost last year. Lets unpack that. Cork beat us last May. For some reason Cork have beaten Limerick, Clare Tipp and Waterford during the past ten years in the month of May/June only to collapse against each of them when they got to Croke Park. This was the only year where it really was important to win the first game and they fell to Waterford. So no huge surprise there.
As regards the Round Robin Tipp game that we lost, Kiely left off four of his players and the match on in Thurles. I think he was wrong to do that but there you go. However they beat Clare, Waterford and Tipp (MF) by an average of seventeen points. Kilkenny did surprise us but how often have good KK teams been caught out like that. Offally, '94, '95 and 98 (AIF) and Wexford '94 all come to mind and of course ye got caught by Galway 05 and Cork in '13 by two teams that did sweet SFA after." In my humble opinion Limerick have been the best team in the last three years overall. I think the pundits from the big boys are worried that a dynasty other than themselves might show up. So subsequently the over analysis of how to stop them. It would be nice to have a Limerick or someone else be dominant if that is to happen. However not at our expense on Sunday week but if so and deserved good for them. Incidentally Kilkenny were not caught by Waterford last week. They were beaten by a better team and were the first to say so.
Canuck (Waterford) - Posts: 2660 - 02/12/2020 18:42:40
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I am looking forward to the big game... Limerick are a magnifucent team and have proved it over the past 3 years. From Quaid to Gillane to all the subs they have a serious set of very skilled and pacy players that play very well as a team, don't panic and are a more mature team this year.
The defeat to the Cats last year had a big effect and Limerick are now the better for that defeat and will make them very hard to beat.
The Galway game pitted them against probably the most physical team after themselves and to be honest looked winners from a long way out.
The spine is strong and their touch and team work is superb.its hard to see a weakness and if a player is not going well then they have super subs that are experienced at coming in and making a significant difference.
They are very strong in the air and Galway just could not create the goal chances they needed to win the semi die together power of Limerick.
Waterford are the surprise packets but have fully deserved their place in the final and do.pose a serious threat to Limerick. They have De Burca who is a magnificent player fronting a decent defence and good goal keeper. Barron at midfield is a diamond who has terrific speed and is able to score and go forward as well as tackle like a bee.
Up front, The Deise have good forwards and in Ozzie they have a player that can turn a match. I think he needs a good start to gain the confidence to be a game breaker. Bennett was superb against the Cats but will not get the same space v Limerick.
Limerick are hot favourites but with no supporters and a more muted pre.match build up Waterford will not be under as much strain as 17 and really have Great chance.
Limerick will feel the pressure.more and Waterford can exploit that. Its Limerick for me to win by 4,scoring 2 goals.
My hope is that it is a good day weather wise so that we have a decent final after great games so far.
carlowman (Carlow) - Posts: 1821 - 02/12/2020 18:52:22
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Replying To carlowman: "I am looking forward to the big game... Limerick are a magnifucent team and have proved it over the past 3 years. From Quaid to Gillane to all the subs they have a serious set of very skilled and pacy players that play very well as a team, don't panic and are a more mature team this year.
The defeat to the Cats last year had a big effect and Limerick are now the better for that defeat and will make them very hard to beat.
The Galway game pitted them against probably the most physical team after themselves and to be honest looked winners from a long way out.
The spine is strong and their touch and team work is superb.its hard to see a weakness and if a player is not going well then they have super subs that are experienced at coming in and making a significant difference.
They are very strong in the air and Galway just could not create the goal chances they needed to win the semi die together power of Limerick.
Waterford are the surprise packets but have fully deserved their place in the final and do.pose a serious threat to Limerick. They have De Burca who is a magnificent player fronting a decent defence and good goal keeper. Barron at midfield is a diamond who has terrific speed and is able to score and go forward as well as tackle like a bee.
Up front, The Deise have good forwards and in Ozzie they have a player that can turn a match. I think he needs a good start to gain the confidence to be a game breaker. Bennett was superb against the Cats but will not get the same space v Limerick.
Limerick are hot favourites but with no supporters and a more muted pre.match build up Waterford will not be under as much strain as 17 and really have Great chance.
Limerick will feel the pressure.more and Waterford can exploit that. Its Limerick for me to win by 4,scoring 2 goals.
My hope is that it is a good day weather wise so that we have a decent final after great games so far." If Gillane is injured, or just half fit, in which case he should not be started, should radical changes be made? Would it be time to restore English to his usual corner back position and move Kyle Hayes back up to center forward, with BN slotting in to the wing back spot and send Cian Lynch moved to where he started with Limerick, namely corner forward with a roving commission. Otherwise boldly move Nash up to a corner forward position where he also played before and slot in English.
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 04/12/2020 09:19:54
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Replying To Oldtourman: "If Gillane is injured, or just half fit, in which case he should not be started, should radical changes be made? Would it be time to restore English to his usual corner back position and move Kyle Hayes back up to center forward, with BN slotting in to the wing back spot and send Cian Lynch moved to where he started with Limerick, namely corner forward with a roving commission. Otherwise boldly move Nash up to a corner forward position where he also played before and slot in English." We're blessed with a good bench but Gillane would be a huge loss if he couldn't play.. Nash wouldn't be out of place in the forwards as we know. He's a super hurler and would be an asset wherever he goes.
Be a real curve ball to play Lynch at 13 again, probably our most creative player so I'd hope to see him back at midfield.
if Gillane is injured Tom Morrissey takes over frees, so we're OK in that dept. Tom is a fine freetaker.
Flanagan at 14 with hopefully Dempsey fit for a place in the subs.
Dempseys goals in the county final for NaP were incredible and he'd offer something different in attack from the bench.
Personally I'd love to see Ritchie English back at 4, he's such a good man marker but considering how little hurling he's played it's unlikely.
skillet (Limerick) - Posts: 1062 - 04/12/2020 10:16:34
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Hope Kiely starts Reidy....he is some man to score!
katser (Galway) - Posts: 2193 - 04/12/2020 13:15:00
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There were a lot of complaints about the way Horgan handled the Kilkenny Waterford match now he gets the All Ireland. Does his style favor or hurt either team?
gatha (Kilkenny) - Posts: 318 - 04/12/2020 13:50:57
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Replying To katser: "Hope Kiely starts Reidy....he is some man to score!" Well he scored as much as Joe Canning from play and the last day LK an GY played, in the League they both scored 7 points but David scored 3 form play and Joe scored 2. He is obviously in good company
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 04/12/2020 14:02:27
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Replying To katser: "I'm expecting something special from Waterford in the All Ireland Final and the Majority of the Country will stand up and applaud when they lift the Liam McCarthy Cup." Yes they will, but unlike you that will be a genuine feeling of joy for a proud hurling county getting a 60 odd year old monkey off their backs not because they dont like Limerick. If they win, then Dublin will be waiting the the longest by a fair stretch, followed by ourselves. And then Offaly and then surprisingly enough, Cork. Galway winning their 1st in 27 years was met with great joy around the country too. If over the next 10 years there are 10 different winners and another half dozen counties like Antrim, Westmeath, Kerry, Laois, Meath, Carlow etc are more competitive I'll be very happy for the game as a whole. And if there weren't 10 different winners but Wexford won 6 or 7 I guess I'd make do with that either:)
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11846 - 04/12/2020 15:51:34
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Replying To Oldtourman: "If Gillane is injured, or just half fit, in which case he should not be started, should radical changes be made? Would it be time to restore English to his usual corner back position and move Kyle Hayes back up to center forward, with BN slotting in to the wing back spot and send Cian Lynch moved to where he started with Limerick, namely corner forward with a roving commission. Otherwise boldly move Nash up to a corner forward position where he also played before and slot in English." Surely Lynch is best fitted in at midfield where he can affect the game most for you?
Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 11846 - 04/12/2020 15:54:16
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Lynch could play centrefield which is his best position and Seamus Flanagan centre half forward, with Mulcahy, Gillane and Casey in the full forward line. Barry Nash will be at left full back.
fainleog (Limerick) - Posts: 598 - 04/12/2020 16:06:11
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Replying To Viking66: "Surely Lynch is best fitted in at midfield where he can affect the game most for you?" The only reason for paying Lynch there is that he would rove and the two midfielders. O'Donovan and AO'Donoghue who both play best at MF and Kyle Hayes would also be in his best position at center forward. All speculation however and will more than likely not happen
Oldtourman (Limerick) - Posts: 4321 - 04/12/2020 16:16:23
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Replying To gatha: "There were a lot of complaints about the way Horgan handled the Kilkenny Waterford match now he gets the All Ireland. Does his style favor or hurt either team?" This is baffling really. Should be the last man to ref it.
tiobraid (Tipperary) - Posts: 4119 - 04/12/2020 18:11:13
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