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Galway in the minors and Dublin in the seniors. To win the 4 there were times they may have ridden their luck against my own county (maybe even ridden my own county some would say!), but it's a remarkable run of wins and the quality and consistency of their performances is unmatched in my experience, which goes back to the great Kerry team of the 70s/80s. The argument about consistency of selection can be countered by the number of games that need to be played now and having a good first 15 will only see you winning the first 50 minutes of most games, but not 70 (Mayo supporters ought to know!). Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 29/08/2019 17:28:44 2230492 Link 1 |
Hard to beat the Sawdoctors', The Green and Red of Mayo. They composed another song that you'd appreciate, 'To win just once'.
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1767 - 29/08/2019 17:57:21 2230495 Link 0 |
Yeah I know it. I used to go and see them more than 30 years ago. You need to get better bait there son.
GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7290 - 29/08/2019 18:07:38 2230499 Link 6 |
I wasn't fishing! We got enough 'bait' in Limerick this year!
baire (Galway) - Posts: 1767 - 29/08/2019 20:04:54 2230519 Link 1 |
You have completely missed my point Hermit. There once was a perception that Kerry team did not need to engage in the dark arts - they won on sheer footballing ability. But I think there was a realisation in the last decade that along with a new emphasis on strength and conditioning and dogged/rigorous defensive systems that Kerry needed to toughen up if they were to stand u[ to the likes of Tyrone. A new, more abrasive quality characterised Kerry play. They had top get 'down and dirty' along with the rest of us if they were to compete. The 'aristocratic' tag became a bit of an anachronism. I NEVER for one second intimated that Dublin were holier the thou. Far from it. They can be very cynical and clinical indeed. Hope all Kerry fans have a safe trip up this weekend. avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1974 - 29/08/2019 21:43:37 2230535 Link 9 |
Dublin, not a hope i'll ever support that lot unless it's to Cork's advantage. pkboher (Cork) - Posts: 49 - 29/08/2019 23:13:28 2230558 Link 1 |
Thanks for your interest. I grew up looking at as much of Limerick out the front door as I did of Kerry. There's more between us than a kick of a ball. Like next door neighbours everywhere, we often irritate the hell out of each other BUT I can honestly say I got almost as much of a kick out of their winning Liam last year as I will out of our borrowing Sam from the blue machine this year.
plike (Kerry) - Posts: 569 - 29/08/2019 23:15:37 2230559 Link 1 |
A little bit of me wants Dublin to win by a huge score in many ways to save the game. tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1304 - 30/08/2019 08:31:30 2230588 Link 2 |
I understood the point you were making, I'm more addressing the fact that this place seems top go bananas whenever there is a hint of of a controversial incident with a game involving Kerry. Look Kerry have always had enforcers, particularly the North Kerry contingent on the great teams that could stand up for themselves. But Tyrone in the last decade took cynicism to a whole new level and yeah Kerry had to learn some lessons the hard way, when forced to Kerry do tread that fine line between the meaning and spirit of the rules. But Kerry teams go out to play football first and foremost and why wouldn't we? That's where our strength lies in our skill set, in our foot passing and kicking ability. But if teams don't allow us to express ourselves than yes Kerry teams have to adapt to that on the day. A classic example was the 2014 final, people around here love to throw it out as some illustration that we are some defense, cynical team. We had top go horses for courses because of how Donegal set up. If we tried to play our natural game we would probably have lost. People seem to forget the pretty epic footballing performances we put in against Cork and Mayo that year, all they see is a dull final and blame Kerry for doing what they had to to win! Mayo, Donegal, Tyrone, Dublin - all of them in the past ten years have all shown various examples of great cynicism, of the co-ordinated pulling down of opponents on kickouts, of cynically blocking the runs of opponents off the ball, of wrestling opponents onto the ground, choke-holding, diving, feigning injury etc etc. Yet it seems only when there is such an incident involving Kerry that this stuff leads to this faux moral outrage. What about yer own teams lads?!! TheHermit (Kerry) - Posts: 6354 - 30/08/2019 10:02:34 2230609 Link 6 |
I do find people holding up 2014 as some proof that Kerry are the dirtiest of the lot a bit weird. We were naive that day and let them beat us at our own game. O'Mahony on Murphy was annoying of course but no worse than what Murphy endured against McMahon for years. It's frustrating but are we surprised. JoeSoap (Donegal) - Posts: 1432 - 30/08/2019 10:43:34 2230624 Link 2 |
Look at the free count in that 2014 Final and you will see where the cynicism lies.Donegal were naieve in not being prepared for what Kerry would throw at them.Fair play to Kerry on the day ,they had a smarter game plan.
gunman (Donegal) - Posts: 1049 - 30/08/2019 11:15:47 2230637 Link 0 |
I find this very strange. The 2014 final was the least dirty final I remember. Boring for sure. But Bar a tackle on Leo McCloone in the first 5 minutes that went uncarded, u couldn't say it was dirty. I kind of would like to see Kerry win v Dublin. I am more hoping for a good close game for a change. If dublin hammer Kerry it will be disappointing. If either team win by a narrow margin and the ref is not mentioned after the game or on here, I will be happy enough. The field have a lot of work to do to reach the standard of either dublin or kerry so the 2 best teams in the country are in action this weekend. Donegalman (None) - Posts: 3830 - 30/08/2019 12:43:24 2230668 Link 0 |
Kerry...for the sake of rural ireland preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 726 - 30/08/2019 12:54:10 2230669 Link 1 |
Have to say I enjoyed that one! slayer (Limerick) - Posts: 6480 - 30/08/2019 12:54:12 2230670 Link 0 |
I won't be shouting for either team but will just be hoping for a good, competitive and high scoring match. The worst thing that could happen is for Dublin to produce a blitzkrieg opening 10 or 15 minutes to put the game to bed. Then spend the remainder of the match just holding Kerry at arm's length and picking off scores at their leisure. That conceivably could happen, but I think Kerry will do their utmost to ensure they're still in with a shout after 50-60 minutes. Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9073 - 30/08/2019 12:57:33 2230671 Link 4 |
also i can honestly say too if Dublin were in the Hurling Final playing Kilkenny with the most all irelands id probably shout for kilkenny too... preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 726 - 30/08/2019 13:53:21 2230685 Link 0 |
Fair play to ya!
Jackeen (Dublin) - Posts: 4097 - 30/08/2019 14:02:28 2230692 Link 7 |
That's one of the reasons I am shouting for Dublin, their fans are very hard to take. I remember a game in Thurles where in a sequence of play two hits were put in on Tipp players that looked like blatant fouls were let go by the referee, Kerry turned over possession, after that one of our boys put in a hit that was nowhere near as bad. The screams that came from the Kerry fans for a free would have woken the dead. It was pure tunnel vision to conveniently ignore what had gone before and feel aggrieved by any infringement on their player. The worst was 2011 All Ireland final, I was 50/50 for who I would cheer for in the senior game but after the minor game I never I was going to be cheering for Dublin. After Tipp pickpocketed Dublin in the minor not one Kerry fan offer congratulations and they didn't even get behind Tipp during the game. The Kerry fans around me didn't even seem all that bothered by the minor match, too busy reading the match programme. All the Dublin fans around me congratulated me including a guy in front of me who must have been sick of listening to my hysteria after our third goal right through to the final whistle. I always find Dublin fans to be good craic before, during, and after games. Before I go, speaking of Cork, I find their fans to be extremely sporting too and good fun to hang out with. Tipp and Cork hate losing to each other but that is parked to one side as soon as the final whistle goes. There must be something in the air or water of successful counties beginning with K. Killarney.87 (Tipperary) - Posts: 2513 - 30/08/2019 14:12:09 2230695 Link 3 |
The odds of 5/1 on a Kerry win are a bit extreme... it's just one game and it's between the champions and the No 1 contender. Kerry also have the benefit of Donie Buckley, who was there for Mayo in 2016 and 17, and who knows what it takes to make life relatively difficult for the Dublin attack. The Kerry of a decade ago would have a definite strategy for dealing with Fenton at midfield (the old Nicholas Murphy plan), so the question is will this Kerry midfield be cynical and physically capable enough to curtail the influence of Fenton? Will Dublin risk MDMcA from the start given that his tackling technique involves a fair amount of short arm and elbow (going on the evidence of the last game) which could see Gough having to show him a red when he finally makes meaningful contact? Would a drop to 14 by Dublin make much of a difference? 5/1 in the context of what might happen is certainly well out there.... Pericles (Mayo) - Posts: 2521 - 30/08/2019 14:17:05 2230698 Link 0 |
i didnt realise that....that sounds unsporting
preddan (Kildare) - Posts: 726 - 30/08/2019 14:23:34 2230702 Link 1 |