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Replying To Square_B: "Oh but don't you know it was the 250th anniversary of the US Army ... conveniently held on his 79th birthday. What a hero he is...." I notice the "Galway " bot has pulled out another article from a right wing newspaper and posted it as gospel. Its posts are becoming laughable - and predictable. I'd imagine the ould Ayatollah will be impressed, and grateful. He will probably go for this "deal" which Mr T says he can "easily do" as a form of thank you for saving his life. Medvedev has offered Russia as a peacemaker between Israel and Iran. Irony or what ? Oh, yes, and Mr T says he has spoken with Putin on this and agreed it is a good idea. How detached from reality is that man ? Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1681 - 15/06/2025 21:53:21 2617915 Link
A Left Wing source as requested. Even NON thinker should be happy. Hon Trump! https://www.cnn.com/2025/06/15/politics/us-military-trump-israel-iran Trump rejects Israeli plan to kill Iranian supreme leader, US officials say President Donald Trump opposed an Israeli plan to kill Iran's Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, according to two sources, amid ongoing waves of tit-for-tat strikes between Israel and Iran which the US president is making publicly and privately clear he prefers to keep the United States out of the fray for now. Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2554 - 15/06/2025 22:25:26 2617939 Link
More US regime change coming in the middle east. Europe will be dealing with the fallout again for years to come. FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 205 - 17/06/2025 20:05:49 2618833 Link
Replying To FullOfPorter: "More US regime change coming in the middle east. Europe will be dealing with the fallout again for years to come." Most people would welcome the fall of the Iranian regime if that was to happen. The Iranian regime has repressed its own people. As for the US and Trump, I'd welcome regime change there as well but the American people voted him in unfortunately. endgame (Roscommon) - Posts: 2474 - 18/06/2025 02:22:05 2618892 Link
Replying To FullOfPorter: "More US regime change coming in the middle east. Europe will be dealing with the fallout again for years to come." They didn't have much luck with the consequences of regime change in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan or Syria so far anyway. Everywhere they go it's death, destruction and chaos. Regime change in Iran could be similar. There are thousands, if not hundreds of thousands of those Republican Guards who kind of impose the Ayatollahs will. Can't see them just retiring and settling back into their communities. Could end up another country with various military factions vying for dominance. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1681 - 18/06/2025 08:18:18 2618904 Link
If Iran gets its monarchy back then things might turn for the better in the entire region, but don't forget the last shah wasn't exactly the most benevolent leader with his people. boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 378 - 18/06/2025 09:24:09 2618907 Link
Replying To endgame: "Most people would welcome the fall of the Iranian regime if that was to happen. The Iranian regime has repressed its own people. As for the US and Trump, I'd welcome regime change there as well but the American people voted him in unfortunately." Until another regime change is needed (ie weapons need to be used and sold) Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 18/06/2025 10:15:34 2618924 Link
Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "If Iran gets its monarchy back then things might turn for the better in the entire region, but don't forget the last shah wasn't exactly the most benevolent leader with his people." Iranians are a friendly, intelligent hardworking and peace loving people. They have been downtrodden for many generations. They replaced the Shah with what they thought was an ideal Islamist regime only to become at least as downtrodden as before when the new regime became so hardline. To maintain power, hardline rulers continually need to keep the pot stirred. If there is no enemy, they need to create one. The Iranian people deserve better. Not too sure they will get it anytime soon. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1681 - 18/06/2025 10:41:39 2618936 Link
Replying To boxtyburgerbuns: "If Iran gets its monarchy back then things might turn for the better in the entire region, but don't forget the last shah wasn't exactly the most benevolent leader with his people." Yeah and he pushed Tony Soprano's buttons way too much for his own good. :D Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9823 - 18/06/2025 10:49:36 2618939 Link
Replying To Freethinker: "Iranians are a friendly, intelligent hardworking and peace loving people. They have been downtrodden for many generations. They replaced the Shah with what they thought was an ideal Islamist regime only to become at least as downtrodden as before when the new regime became so hardline. To maintain power, hardline rulers continually need to keep the pot stirred. If there is no enemy, they need to create one. The Iranian people deserve better. Not too sure they will get it anytime soon." Very true. Any Iranian person I've ever met has been sound and good company. These megalomanics in power across the world are the real problem. When you step back and think about it, the arrogance of these types is astounding. We're all only here for a brief speck of history. And yet these **holes repress and dicate to millions of people. It was ever thus I suppose. Why would our generations be any different despite all the technological and scientific advancement. Lockjaw (Donegal)** - Posts: 9823 - 18/06/2025 10:53:59 2618941 Link
Replying To Breffni40: "Until another regime change is needed (ie weapons need to be used and sold)" No payback for the big political backers if armaments are not used. No profit in stockpiles - plus nothing like live fire to test them and develop "better" ones. Also, unrest and war brings a surge in oil prices. More money for the moguls. Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1681 - 18/06/2025 10:58:59 2618944 Link
Replying To Freethinker: "Iranians are a friendly, intelligent hardworking and peace loving people. They have been downtrodden for many generations. They replaced the Shah with what they thought was an ideal Islamist regime only to become at least as downtrodden as before when the new regime became so hardline. To maintain power, hardline rulers continually need to keep the pot stirred. If there is no enemy, they need to create one. The Iranian people deserve better. Not too sure they will get it anytime soon." Don't forget it was the US and UK who suppported the coup by the Shah so he could rule as a despot as they didn't like who the Iranians elected, heaven forbid they use their oil wealth for themselves. FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 205 - 18/06/2025 11:07:08 2618947 Link
The theocracy in Iran is overtly anti-semetic and has called for genocide for years. This is an inconvenient truth to many Europeans. The Iranians deserve better leadership. Hope they sort out the region peacefully but it looks ominous. Russia is also looking at this. Scary times. suckvalleypaddy (Galway) - Posts: 1752 - 18/06/2025 11:10:17 2618949 Link
Replying To endgame: "Most people would welcome the fall of the Iranian regime if that was to happen. The Iranian regime has repressed its own people. As for the US and Trump, I'd welcome regime change there as well but the American people voted him in unfortunately." It all depends on who is pushing the regime change. Netanyahu or the US don't mind dictators or terrible regimes as long as they are on their side. The fallout of Iraq, Syria, Afghanistan and Libya has been horrendous for innocent civilians. Trump seems to be going down the GW Bush route ignoring his own security advisor who says Iran do not have a nuclear weapon or are not close to building one. It's all very similar to weapons of mass destruction. We better get building more IPAS centres as brutal civil war seems to usually follow regime change. FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 205 - 18/06/2025 11:16:57 2618952 Link
Replying To suckvalleypaddy: "The theocracy in Iran is overtly anti-semetic and has called for genocide for years. This is an inconvenient truth to many Europeans. The Iranians deserve better leadership. Hope they sort out the region peacefully but it looks ominous. Russia is also looking at this. Scary times." While Israel actually practices genocide and is also a theocracy but no one is seems to talk about regime change there. FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 205 - 18/06/2025 11:18:33 2618954 Link
Replying To FullOfPorter: "Don't forget it was the US and UK who suppported the coup by the Shah so he could rule as a despot as they didn't like who the Iranians elected, heaven forbid they use their oil wealth for themselves." The stark truth is that certain cultures are drawn to backward ideologies. The notion that they can be reformed is nonsense so best thing is to contain them and leave them be. Which is what the west does to North Korea and the almost equally vile Chinese who run the most repressive state in history. No one going to attack them for obvious reasons! The American wars against Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan only made things worse. Israelis seem intent on dragging everyone into that morass again. They are a real danger to the planet. Americans not even bothered it seems to keep them in line anymore. BarneyGrant (Dublin) - Posts: 3624 - 18/06/2025 11:33:44 2618959 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "The stark truth is that certain cultures are drawn to backward ideologies. The notion that they can be reformed is nonsense so best thing is to contain them and leave them be. Which is what the west does to North Korea and the almost equally vile Chinese who run the most repressive state in history. No one going to attack them for obvious reasons! The American wars against Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan only made things worse. Israelis seem intent on dragging everyone into that morass again. They are a real danger to the planet. Americans not even bothered it seems to keep them in line anymore." I dunno, we seem to be gradually moving away from our oppressive religious theocracy. It still obviously controls the schools and hospitals and previously the females of our culture but slowly but surely that ideology is waning. Imagine how many septic tanks full of children there'd be if we were isolated, contained and left alone? Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12408 - 18/06/2025 11:46:38 2618965 Link
Replying To BarneyGrant: "The stark truth is that certain cultures are drawn to backward ideologies. The notion that they can be reformed is nonsense so best thing is to contain them and leave them be. Which is what the west does to North Korea and the almost equally vile Chinese who run the most repressive state in history. No one going to attack them for obvious reasons! The American wars against Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan only made things worse. Israelis seem intent on dragging everyone into that morass again. They are a real danger to the planet. Americans not even bothered it seems to keep them in line anymore." Spot on Barney about certain cultures being drawn to backward ideologies. They don't want to change either, they want to wallow in their ignorance. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2400 - 18/06/2025 13:35:19 2619004 Link
Replying To FullOfPorter: "While Israel actually practices genocide and is also a theocracy but no one is seems to talk about regime change there." For one blatant reason that people are afraid of their lives to say. Bon (Kildare) - Posts: 2400 - 18/06/2025 13:36:23 2619005 Link
Replying To FullOfPorter: "While Israel actually practices genocide and is also a theocracy but no one is seems to talk about regime change there." If Israel is a theocracy do you regard the United Kingdom as one also? Charlie is after all head of the state church there boxtyburgerbuns (Leitrim) - Posts: 378 - 18/06/2025 14:07:19 2619009 Link