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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I watched a very good show on Netflix recently, "Turning Point: Post 9/11".
What was most striking to me was how after that infamous day, Americans of every stripe rallied together in their grief and resolve. Less than 25 years later and the country is more divided than any time I can recall in my lifetime.
Sad really."
An external enemy can do that. Thatcher got a bounce off the Malvinas conflict at a time when she was waging social war on her own people.

I know there are other factors like long term economic policy at play for some of America's woes at the moment but the response to 9/11 must also be a factor as well. Two disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that has to have taken a psychological toll and played into wanting America to be great again along with forming a much more insular outlook.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 171 - 11/06/2025 00:10:13    2616572

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Replying To Trump2020:  "FROM A DEMOCRAT:

Senator John Fetterman also took to X, formerly known as Twitter, following the riots in LA and Pittsburgh.

Fetterman said, "I unapologetically stand for free speech, peaceful demonstrations, and immigration-but this is not that. This is anarchy and true chaos."

He continued, saying, "My party loses the moral high ground when we refuse to condemn setting cars on fire, destroying buildings, and assaulting law enforcement."

(Trump took action while the California Governor and LA Mayor didn't). Hon Trump."
Wolf in sheeps clothing as they say.

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12387 - 11/06/2025 10:11:37    2616595

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "An external enemy can do that. Thatcher got a bounce off the Malvinas conflict at a time when she was waging social war on her own people.

I know there are other factors like long term economic policy at play for some of America's woes at the moment but the response to 9/11 must also be a factor as well. Two disastrous wars in Iraq and Afghanistan that has to have taken a psychological toll and played into wanting America to be great again along with forming a much more insular outlook."
Yeah I'd say the trillions spent in those wars (and the similarly disastrous Vietnam before that) could have been much better spent domestically but that's another story.

It makes you wonder. Does the USA constantly have the need for a perceived enemy (Vietnamese Communists, Russia, Al-Qaeda, war-on-terror etc etc) in order to function?

If they minded their own business at home, sorted out healthcare, education and gun control maybe they'd be better off.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 11/06/2025 11:19:30    2616614

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Their only reliable industry is death

Breffni40 (Cavan) - Posts: 12387 - 11/06/2025 11:42:12    2616618

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Wolf in sheeps clothing as they say."
Really? For not siding with the rioters? The daytime protests and protesters are ok in my book but the nighttime nonsense needs to be stamped out harshly.

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2544 - 11/06/2025 12:05:55    2616628

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Yeah I'd say the trillions spent in those wars (and the similarly disastrous Vietnam before that) could have been much better spent domestically but that's another story.

It makes you wonder. Does the USA constantly have the need for a perceived enemy (Vietnamese Communists, Russia, Al-Qaeda, war-on-terror etc etc) in order to function?

If they minded their own business at home, sorted out healthcare, education and gun control maybe they'd be better off."
Jesus yea,sure the reds under the bed and dangers of the USSR sorta united it for nearly 50 years. It is such a deeply divided country in so many ways, race, wealth, religion, urban/rural it probably turns in on itself when there is no external boogey man.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 171 - 11/06/2025 12:37:44    2616634

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Replying To Breffni40:  "Their only reliable industry is death"
Don't forget the arms manufacturers. One of their biggest exporters. That's a powerful lobby, no matter who' s bum is warming the Resolute desk.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1663 - 11/06/2025 13:28:33    2616656

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "Jesus yea,sure the reds under the bed and dangers of the USSR sorta united it for nearly 50 years. It is such a deeply divided country in so many ways, race, wealth, religion, urban/rural it probably turns in on itself when there is no external boogey man."
Yep, when the Soviet Union collapsed there was no longer any danger from "The Reds"
So someone or some thing had to fill the vacuum. Step forward Islamic terrorists/Osama/Al Qaeada

China are never too far away either.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 11/06/2025 13:39:46    2616663

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As there's no Islamic terrorism, they always look stupid saying they hate something that doesn't exist.

dolfos (Longford) - Posts: 133 - 11/06/2025 14:18:47    2616670

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Possibility in the US of undocumented people from countries, including friendly European ones, being detained in Guantanamo ?? I wonder if some of ours are sent there what would the reaction be ? Hopefully this is just mainstream media fake news

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1663 - 12/06/2025 08:16:50    2616830

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Replying To Freethinker:  "Possibility in the US of undocumented people from countries, including friendly European ones, being detained in Guantanamo ?? I wonder if some of ours are sent there what would the reaction be ? Hopefully this is just mainstream media fake news"
Guantanamo is an absolute abomination. A location whose existence exists solely for the US to do whatever they want to its detainees. The hypocrisy is tragically comical. They're some boys when it comes to wordplay and mental gymnastics.

"Enhanced interrogation techniques" indeed.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 12/06/2025 09:28:13    2616847

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The USA has almost been at constant war since it was founded.

Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 3247 - 12/06/2025 15:49:08    2616981

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Definitely and now Donald has given their proxy army, the Israelis, his blessing to do what they want with Iran.

FullOfPorter (Roscommon) - Posts: 171 - 12/06/2025 18:08:05    2617018

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Replying To FullOfPorter:  "Definitely and now Donald has given their proxy army, the Israelis, his blessing to do what they want with Iran."
But he says that no wars start under his watch ? . This one will be interesting as the Iranian regime will hardly take that a bombing by Israel lying down. Hopefully some of those billionaire pals of his, masquerading as diplomats will be able to calm things down.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1663 - 12/06/2025 19:15:19    2617030

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Replying To Tirchonaill1:  "The USA has almost been at constant war since it was founded."
For sure. It took a war to see it formed, and when they weren't involved fighting other people they fought amongst themselves.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 16292 - 12/06/2025 22:30:09    2617056

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Fun Fact: the Bushs, Cheneys, and the rest of the Warfare State in the USA did NOT endorse Trump. I wonder why?

Trump2020 (Galway) - Posts: 2544 - 12/06/2025 23:22:05    2617063

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And so it begins - but where will it end ? The Middle East in flames on many fronts.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1663 - 13/06/2025 08:25:59    2617091

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Just something that crossed my mind yesterday when seeing the coverage of the disturbances in the North.
What is the fascination with rape?

Now in this case, I believe there was a sexual assault which gave these racist louts all the tenuous justification they needed to kick off. But all you have to do is read any local newspaper's court pages, anywhere in the country, at any time of the year, and you'll find some sort of sexual assault by an indingenous Irish person being reported on.

There is a line constantly peddled that these immigrants are mostly rapists and paedophiles, which is complete and utter bull. "Grooming gangs" are roaming the streets of all Western Cities now, to the point where it's dangerous to leave your front door for fear of being raped it seems.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9803 - 13/06/2025 08:59:01    2617094

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "Just something that crossed my mind yesterday when seeing the coverage of the disturbances in the North.
What is the fascination with rape?

Now in this case, I believe there was a sexual assault which gave these racist louts all the tenuous justification they needed to kick off. But all you have to do is read any local newspaper's court pages, anywhere in the country, at any time of the year, and you'll find some sort of sexual assault by an indingenous Irish person being reported on.

There is a line constantly peddled that these immigrants are mostly rapists and paedophiles, which is complete and utter bull. "Grooming gangs" are roaming the streets of all Western Cities now, to the point where it's dangerous to leave your front door for fear of being raped it seems."
Good post. "Rape" is a term that feeds into people's worst fears. Invading armies have always used it as a weapon.

Freethinker (Wicklow) - Posts: 1663 - 13/06/2025 14:50:51    2617209

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