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Is David Clifford The Best Footballer In The Country Right Now?

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Replying To TheUsername:  "In my opinion Sean O Shea and Tom O Sullivan probably would, i dont speak for the whole of Dublin and my inter county colleagues, so im sure some of the other Dublin lads might start young David, i would find it hard to drop anyone in our forward line for him personally."
"Probably" ..... Wow! you are really getting carried away! I hope you gave the matter ''mature reflection" and did not just jump impulsively to that conclusion.

And, I presume no Mayo player would have a chance either ?

Funny, the difficulty Dublin have had overcoming Kerry and Mayo over the last 5 or 6 years! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were even a few draws along the way ?

I'm reminded of the statement of the Donegal-based father of a well known Dublin golfer before the 2014 Final that no Kerry player would get on the Donegal team.....

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 24/10/2019 14:45:08    2245482

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Just one point regarding multiple C. O'C type players, maybe just have a look at a point he scored against Roscommon in the Q/Fs this year, coming out from goal at speed he caught a 40 metre pass above his head, the rossie defender came under him from behind forcing him to land on his heels at 45 degrees, wonderfully kept his balance, leaned into the defender with his left shoulder, spun on his left foot, and slapped it over the bar, just a composite of the array of skills this guy has coming together in one play. If you believe there are multiple players around that would even attempt to execute a score like this never mind achieve it perfectly, names on a page please, you won't need much paper. By the way Clifford is a super talent. Con is the best forward on the best team in the land and not one of many equals playing with numerous counties now or in the next 5 years."
So Con scored a point against Roscommon you liked?
That is the most romanticized description of a single score I've ever seen.

dakid (Australia) - Posts: 230 - 24/10/2019 15:48:57    2245502

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Clifford isn't even going to be named as YOUNG Footballer of the Year in 2019. His teammate Sean O'Shea will win that. So where are we even going with the initial question?

Clifford won't make the All-Star 15. If the All-Stars were extended to a panel of 21, he'd scrape into my panel as no. 20. So yes, he's in the top 20 players in Ireland; not the top 15; and quite far away from number 1.

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 24/10/2019 16:40:15    2245522

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Replying To shoulderghost:  "Clifford isn't even going to be named as YOUNG Footballer of the Year in 2019. His teammate Sean O'Shea will win that. So where are we even going with the initial question?

Clifford won't make the All-Star 15. If the All-Stars were extended to a panel of 21, he'd scrape into my panel as no. 20. So yes, he's in the top 20 players in Ireland; not the top 15; and quite far away from number 1."
You do not seem to realise that Clifford won both YFOTY and an All-Star in 2018.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 24/10/2019 17:21:36    2245530

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Replying To Aibrean:  ""Probably" ..... Wow! you are really getting carried away! I hope you gave the matter ''mature reflection" and did not just jump impulsively to that conclusion.

And, I presume no Mayo player would have a chance either ?

Funny, the difficulty Dublin have had overcoming Kerry and Mayo over the last 5 or 6 years! Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think there were even a few draws along the way ?

I'm reminded of the statement of the Donegal-based father of a well known Dublin golfer before the 2014 Final that no Kerry player would get on the Donegal team....."
Well i like both O Shea and O Sullivan as players so i might be a bit biased.

I think a few from Mayo would make it, Durcan, Runane, Lee Keegan. Boyler, Harrrision, Parsons a few years ago too, a good few from Tyrone too. Actually i quite like Diarmuid O Connor too now that i think about it.

Its been tough overcoming Kerry and Mayo alright, thankfully we've come out the right side me often then not, for the main prize anyway, im happy with our return certainly.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3070 - 24/10/2019 17:35:21    2245535

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Keith Higgins a couple of years ago too.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3070 - 24/10/2019 19:01:09    2245559

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Ciaran McDonald, Willie Joe Padden

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1634 - 24/10/2019 21:20:09    2245575

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You do not seem to realise that Clifford won both YFOTY and an All-Star in 2018."
Exactly, but at least shoulderghoste has moved away from the Kerry forum after advocating teachers beat children .

gallarus14 (Kerry) - Posts: 101 - 24/10/2019 22:05:38    2245589

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Replying To dakid:  "So Con scored a point against Roscommon you liked?
That is the most romanticized description of a single score I've ever seen."
Look I think you are missing my point. I believe my description of Con's point against the Rossies to be accurate, romanticised you say, fair enough. I only used this example because it involved him using many skills in the one score. My post was in response to the Antrim poster who suggested that Con is an everyday player that you might see on any number of county teams in the coming 5 years, all I can say is not likely. Maurice Fitz, Gooch, Michael Donnellan, Canavan, Linden, Forde, superp forwards, to be appreciated whatever their county and O'Callaghan whose spatial awareness, speed, balance and focus marks him out as a special player should be appreciated too and he should not be dismissed as a bulked up "six a penny" county player as he was in the Antrim man's post.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 105 - 24/10/2019 23:19:49    2245606

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Replying To Aibrean:  "You do not seem to realise that Clifford won both YFOTY and an All-Star in 2018."
The original poster asked 'right now'! Nobody said anything about 2018! Everyone knows he was YPOTY in 2018, but that's not 'right now'', is it?

shoulderghost (Limerick) - Posts: 863 - 25/10/2019 05:31:24    2245620

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When I say 'right now I do not actually mean on current form. What i am trying to say is that of every football player in the country, I think Clifford Is by far the best, not right this moment on current form or anything just in general, in terms of overall game, I believe his overall game is much superior than anyone else's and on his day he is most talented and for me the best.

Last year or this year, whatever. When he plays and is on his game with all his skills in show and even sometimes just glimpses, no one compares.

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 178 - 25/10/2019 09:54:35    2245650

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Has Con had much impact in the Dublin football championship, or is he primarily focused on hurling at club level?

iarmhi_an_mhaith (Westmeath) - Posts: 221 - 25/10/2019 10:27:15    2245660

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Replying To iarmhi_an_mhaith:  "Has Con had much impact in the Dublin football championship, or is he primarily focused on hurling at club level?"
Cuala footballers have a big game this weekend, Con unfortunately is injured after a horrible tackle last weekend for the Hurlers.

TheUsername (Dublin) - Posts: 3070 - 25/10/2019 10:53:52    2245663

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Replying To boman11:  "When I say 'right now I do not actually mean on current form. What i am trying to say is that of every football player in the country, I think Clifford Is by far the best, not right this moment on current form or anything just in general, in terms of overall game, I believe his overall game is much superior than anyone else's and on his day he is most talented and for me the best.

Last year or this year, whatever. When he plays and is on his game with all his skills in show and even sometimes just glimpses, no one compares."
Problem is when you say that numerous counties will have multiple players of the standard of Con O'Callaghan it is really difficult to take your opinion seriously, end of.

sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 105 - 25/10/2019 12:29:49    2245688

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Replying To sligo joe:  "Problem is when you say that numerous counties will have multiple players of the standard of Con O'Callaghan it is really difficult to take your opinion seriously, end of."
Sweet as

boman11 (Antrim) - Posts: 178 - 25/10/2019 13:16:42    2245698

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Replying To shoulderghost:  "The original poster asked 'right now'! Nobody said anything about 2018! Everyone knows he was YPOTY in 2018, but that's not 'right now'', is it?"
The original poster has clarified below what he meant by 'right now'.

It seems your interpretation of 'right now' is today or at longest this month.

My point, obviously, was that your opinion that Clifford would not win either award this year was a bit crazy seeing as he won both awards last year and has, most likely improved in the meantime.

Clifford is virtually certain to get a second All-star this year and would probably also win YPOTY if he had not won it last year.

Aibrean (Kerry) - Posts: 127 - 25/10/2019 13:20:25    2245703

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Replying To Aibrean:  "The original poster has clarified below what he meant by 'right now'.

It seems your interpretation of 'right now' is today or at longest this month.

My point, obviously, was that your opinion that Clifford would not win either award this year was a bit crazy seeing as he won both awards last year and has, most likely improved in the meantime.

Clifford is virtually certain to get a second All-star this year and would probably also win YPOTY if he had not won it last year."
I think Sean O'Shea deserves it this year. Tom O'Sullivan and Brian Howard are unlucky not to have been nominated. Con is actually still eligible for YPOTY too if I am not mistaken.

GeniusGerry (Kerry) - Posts: 1634 - 25/10/2019 13:44:54    2245716

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Interesting that this has become a Con v Clifford debate. i think this could shape up to be the messi v ronaldo of Gaa for the next 10 years.

Like comparrisons between all top players its really down to your own personal preferance.
I love watching both play,
Con is the most electrifying player in gaelic football. When he gets the ball there is a buzz that very few players can generate. His goals v Tyrone 3 years ago and Mayo last year were class and his point v Roscommon was astounding. He is so refreshing to watch in that he always wants to take on his man whenever there is a hint of danger.
His record with dublin and Cuala in is extraordinary.

David Clifford is the absoloute ice man of gaelic football. I have never seen a more hyped underage footballer and the way he has adapted seemlessly to senior football shows how cool of a customer this kid is.
He has a lovely lazy languid style and watching him twist,turn and dummy hop his way by defenders and caress the ball over the bar is one of the beauties of gaelic football.
Equally comfortable of left or right his scoring stats are crazy. He has become the main man in the kerry FF line.
The true heir the goochs throne in the kingdom.

Two completely different players that i reckon will both go down as greats of the game.
I honestly would struggle to pick one over the other and will honestly just enjoy watching both play at the highest level for the next few years.

If there was a gun to my head to pick one i'd probably go with Clifford.

Meathmaverick (Meath) - Posts: 58 - 25/10/2019 14:03:39    2245722

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Replying To Meathmaverick:  "Interesting that this has become a Con v Clifford debate. i think this could shape up to be the messi v ronaldo of Gaa for the next 10 years.

Like comparrisons between all top players its really down to your own personal preferance.
I love watching both play,
Con is the most electrifying player in gaelic football. When he gets the ball there is a buzz that very few players can generate. His goals v Tyrone 3 years ago and Mayo last year were class and his point v Roscommon was astounding. He is so refreshing to watch in that he always wants to take on his man whenever there is a hint of danger.
His record with dublin and Cuala in is extraordinary.

David Clifford is the absoloute ice man of gaelic football. I have never seen a more hyped underage footballer and the way he has adapted seemlessly to senior football shows how cool of a customer this kid is.
He has a lovely lazy languid style and watching him twist,turn and dummy hop his way by defenders and caress the ball over the bar is one of the beauties of gaelic football.
Equally comfortable of left or right his scoring stats are crazy. He has become the main man in the kerry FF line.
The true heir the goochs throne in the kingdom.

Two completely different players that i reckon will both go down as greats of the game.
I honestly would struggle to pick one over the other and will honestly just enjoy watching both play at the highest level for the next few years.

If there was a gun to my head to pick one i'd probably go with Clifford."
That's interesting that you compare king David and con to Ronaldo and Messi but in fairness both Ronaldo and Messi played for equally great teams In Madrid and Barcelona whereas king David is playing on a very young inexperienced Kerry team right now and Connie is on a team that just won 5 in a row.

KingdomBoy1 (Kerry) - Posts: 9964 - 25/10/2019 14:31:51    2245739

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When Clifford scores the highedt calibre of class scores in crucial games while playing a pivitol part on the the way to winning All Ireland's..

Then you can compare the two

Until then it's King Con and Prince David

Con has nothing to prove and all I've read so far regarding Clifford is a lot of assumptions and wishful thinking

Con has walked the walk. All available on YouTube and exists in reality not in fantasy or daftly comparing age groups

jimbodub (Dublin) - Posts: 19748 - 25/10/2019 16:23:09    2245761

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