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Irish At The Paris Olympics

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Here's a different hierarchy that the current situation creates too:

- People in Northern Ireland can expect to see everything RTE has the rights to show in Northern Ireland, all for free. No obligation on them to pay for the service, and no obligation can be introduced, since it's a different jurisdiction.
- People in the Republic of Ireland are legally obliged to pay an annual licence fee to see exactly the same things, or else run the risk of a court appearance and fine.

Yes, the same thing applies in reverse. I don't pay a licence fee to the BBC in the way that you're obliged to. But nor would I complain if the BBC geoblocked a broadcast here, on the grounds of not having the rights to show that thing in the Republic of Ireland."
Exactly why there should be a deal between RTE and BBC to make all coverage from both broadcasters available. The vast majority of athletes from the North are part of Team Ireland. RTE give a lot of coverage to these athletes as they are part of Team Ireland whereas the BBC will focus on Team GB so they will often not be featured which is a major issue. RTE coverage of the Olympics is more beneficial to people from the North than the BBC coverage yet they are being denied access to RTE coverage.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 26/07/2024 12:54:12    2561727

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Exactly why there should be a deal between RTE and BBC to make all coverage from both broadcasters available. The vast majority of athletes from the North are part of Team Ireland. RTE give a lot of coverage to these athletes as they are part of Team Ireland whereas the BBC will focus on Team GB so they will often not be featured which is a major issue. RTE coverage of the Olympics is more beneficial to people from the North than the BBC coverage yet they are being denied access to RTE coverage."
As somebody else has suggested...educate yourself a bit about international broadcasting rights.

In particular, you might be interested in learning about how the BBC aren't even the main rights holders for broadcasting the Olympics within the UK. It's not them who RTE would have to deal with.

Anyway, I think there's enough said about this. Let's go back to discussion of the Games themselves.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 26/07/2024 13:10:57    2561734

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "Exactly why there should be a deal between RTE and BBC to make all coverage from both broadcasters available. The vast majority of athletes from the North are part of Team Ireland. RTE give a lot of coverage to these athletes as they are part of Team Ireland whereas the BBC will focus on Team GB so they will often not be featured which is a major issue. RTE coverage of the Olympics is more beneficial to people from the North than the BBC coverage yet they are being denied access to RTE coverage."
You are so naive. Ioc sell rights and discovery who own eurosport own rights in Europe and BBC and rte only sub license off them to cover some events. Rte and BBC can't make a deal like that unless discovery agree

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 26/07/2024 13:32:52    2561746

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Replying To REDANDBLACK30:  "In fairness they were beaten by a disgraceful decision. Clear knock on before winning Fiji try. Terrible officiating."
Definite knock/slap on to gain possession for 3rd try , commentator Hugh Cahill is usually very sharp to pick up on those infringements. There might be different laws on restarts in 7s or we might be deceived by camera angles. Open to enlightenment on all this. Three tries each, Fiji converted two of their three conversions while our accuracy deserted us.

Curlew66 (Roscommon) - Posts: 577 - 26/07/2024 14:17:06    2561770

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Replying To Curlew66:  "Definite knock/slap on to gain possession for 3rd try , commentator Hugh Cahill is usually very sharp to pick up on those infringements. There might be different laws on restarts in 7s or we might be deceived by camera angles. Open to enlightenment on all this. Three tries each, Fiji converted two of their three conversions while our accuracy deserted us."
Yeah the should have picked it up in normal time but for some reason he said he couldn't check it I think they can only check tries etc but it cost Ireland the win definitely. Ireland were poor at conversions they are harder in 7s like drop kicks but Ireland missed more than their fair share during the tournament.

REDANDBLACK30 (Down) - Posts: 1673 - 26/07/2024 14:48:50    2561784

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I have great time for Shane Lowry but did he really have to be front & centre holding the flag? I know he was probably nominated to do it, bit he gets his fair share of exposure as it is. Would've been better if one of our lesser heralded athletes, swimmers or boxers were given the honour. And yes I know Sarah Lavin had the other flag.

Lockjaw (Donegal) - Posts: 9518 - 27/07/2024 14:19:33    2561929

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Replying To Lockjaw:  "I have great time for Shane Lowry but did he really have to be front & centre holding the flag? I know he was probably nominated to do it, bit he gets his fair share of exposure as it is. Would've been better if one of our lesser heralded athletes, swimmers or boxers were given the honour. And yes I know Sarah Lavin had the other flag."
I think what he had to wear was more concerning to be honest…. Who on earth designed that..? Was there a scrap of green actually in it…? Embarrassing

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 27/07/2024 14:45:38    2561935

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I think what he had to wear was more concerning to be honest…. Who on earth designed that..? Was there a scrap of green actually in it…? Embarrassing"
It won't go to waste if he's asked to umpire a match in Clara.

GreenandRed (Mayo) - Posts: 7651 - 27/07/2024 15:04:32    2561938

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Replying To GreenandRed:  "It won't go to waste if he's asked to umpire a match in Clara."
That's very good….. or play a cricket match

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 27/07/2024 16:35:58    2561958

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Replying To countyman2022:  "From a different country."
Shocking attitude from a supposed 'GAA' person.

I suppose Armagh shouldn't be competing in tomorrow's All-Ireland.

ballboy101 (Donegal) - Posts: 225 - 27/07/2024 16:42:38    2561960

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Replying To ForeverBlue2:  "I thought that too but even the 2 clowns on the panel never mentioned it so I suspected I was wrong… Why on earth have RTE got a Dublin GAA player ( I know she played rugby at one stage ) on the panel when surely a current Irish woman's player could be used…? And don't get me started on the guy with the handle bar moustache….! All they did was praise Fiji…"
Ahh here, what's your problem with handlebar moustaches? It's as fine a moustache as you will see in these parts.

avonali (Dublin) - Posts: 1990 - 28/07/2024 12:44:26    2562110

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Replying To avonali:  "Ahh here, what's your problem with handlebar moustaches? It's as fine a moustache as you will see in these parts."
I said 'with the…'

ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 3027 - 28/07/2024 13:32:59    2562119

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Replying To ballboy101:  "Shocking attitude from a supposed 'GAA' person.

I suppose Armagh shouldn't be competing in tomorrow's All-Ireland."
Unbelievable....

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 28/07/2024 13:47:12    2562130

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Here's a different hierarchy that the current situation creates too:

- People in Northern Ireland can expect to see everything RTE has the rights to show in Northern Ireland, all for free. No obligation on them to pay for the service, and no obligation can be introduced, since it's a different jurisdiction.
- People in the Republic of Ireland are legally obliged to pay an annual licence fee to see exactly the same things, or else run the risk of a court appearance and fine.

Yes, the same thing applies in reverse. I don't pay a licence fee to the BBC in the way that you're obliged to. But nor would I complain if the BBC geoblocked a broadcast here, on the grounds of not having the rights to show that thing in the Republic of Ireland."
There's quite a bit of irony in your username when you're digging your heels in about this.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 28/07/2024 13:59:45    2562132

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "There's quite a bit of irony in your username when you're digging your heels in about this."
Lol.

I'm simply mature and sensible enough to recognise that as things stand, the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are different jurisdictions. That means different laws, processes, and all sorts of other things apply, including different broadcasting rights and agreements.

It's not digging heels in. It's just recognising reality.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/07/2024 09:19:20    2562455

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Lol.

I'm simply mature and sensible enough to recognise that as things stand, the Republic of Ireland and Northern Ireland are different jurisdictions. That means different laws, processes, and all sorts of other things apply, including different broadcasting rights and agreements.

It's not digging heels in. It's just recognising reality."
The reality is that there's a good proportion of athletes from said jurisdiction representing Ireland. I get why rte can't cover it but one is entitled to be annoyed with them for not trying harder. Particularly if BBC aren't covering those specific events.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3143 - 29/07/2024 09:30:11    2562461

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Daniel Wiffen wins heat and fastest qualifier for
The final. One hand on a medal let's hope
It's gold.

Mona McSharry a great chance at a medal tonight!

Temple56 (Westmeath) - Posts: 513 - 29/07/2024 11:41:13    2562533

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "The reality is that there's a good proportion of athletes from said jurisdiction representing Ireland. I get why rte can't cover it but one is entitled to be annoyed with them for not trying harder. Particularly if BBC aren't covering those specific events."
Yes, true that many Northern Irish athletes are representing Ireland. And it's worth recognising that these athletes come from both sides of "the divide" there.

But your last line leads me to wonder why people aren't complaining about the BBC here, instead of complaining about RTE?

- The BBC has the rights to broadcast in Northern Ireland whatever Olympics action it wants to show there.
- BBC has the capability of showing something different on BBC Northern Ireland to whatever's shown on other regional variations.
- BBC Northern Ireland could therefore show all action featuring Northern Irish competitors (no matter what team they're representing), and would thus be serving both sides of the community there.
- BBC are choosing not to do so. So why are they escaping criticism here?

Anyway, again, enough about broadcasting rights. I'd prefer to talk about the Games themselves.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2621 - 29/07/2024 11:53:21    2562538

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Replying To Temple56:  "Daniel Wiffen wins heat and fastest qualifier for
The final. One hand on a medal let's hope
It's gold.

Mona McSharry a great chance at a medal tonight!"
Wouldn't say one hand on a medal for different but he should hopefully get something.v

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 29/07/2024 12:04:56    2562544

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yes, true that many Northern Irish athletes are representing Ireland. And it's worth recognising that these athletes come from both sides of "the divide" there.

But your last line leads me to wonder why people aren't complaining about the BBC here, instead of complaining about RTE?

- The BBC has the rights to broadcast in Northern Ireland whatever Olympics action it wants to show there.
- BBC has the capability of showing something different on BBC Northern Ireland to whatever's shown on other regional variations.
- BBC Northern Ireland could therefore show all action featuring Northern Irish competitors (no matter what team they're representing), and would thus be serving both sides of the community there.
- BBC are choosing not to do so. So why are they escaping criticism here?

Anyway, again, enough about broadcasting rights. I'd prefer to talk about the Games themselves."
BBC like rte are only sub licensing from eurosport/discovery so can't cover all that they used to as well.

KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3674 - 29/07/2024 12:06:29    2562546

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