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The old 16 team format was better but there were still plenty of bad games. Straight knockout isn't always the cure people make it out to be. No safety net tends to make good teams more cautious.
Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 06/07/2024 21:05:39 2557290 Link 1 |
UEFA are the organisers and they can be criticised surely. They could increase the teams to 32 and that would sort it.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 772 - 06/07/2024 21:19:23 2557293 Link 0 |
It's about striking a balance between a vibrant tournament and just overloading it with average teams and countless games to the point where fans end up not even paying attention to half it. 16 was fine by me but arguably too limited. 24 teams is plenty, even 20 is enough imo. Galway9801 (Galway) - Posts: 1942 - 06/07/2024 21:42:42 2557299 Link 0 |
But with number of nations now in Europe you needed to expand beyond 16 I'm not advocating for straight knock out. KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 06/07/2024 22:24:32 2557308 Link 0 |
Except that would totally dilute standards. It needed to expand beyond 16 with number of countries now in Europe and need to give others beyond the teams who always qualified a chance to play a big tournament but 31 would be far too many and make qualification worse
KillingFields (Limerick) - Posts: 3624 - 06/07/2024 22:26:22 2557309 Link 1 |
I think soccer has a similar problem - "park the bus", not different from the "blanket defence". omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 06/07/2024 22:32:04 2557311 Link 0 |
It hardly matters really. it's only 8 teams more and what 12 matches.. And sure then we might get a chance to qualify again.
Ulsterchamps_32 (Donegal) - Posts: 772 - 06/07/2024 22:57:57 2557313 Link 0 |
16 teams was elite. Germany and England were in same group one year and both got eliminated. Practically zero jeopardy for big guns for groups. shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 284 - 06/07/2024 23:08:43 2557315 Link 0 |
Is the glass half full or empty?! A team missing out on qualifying for the All-Ireland series in Year 1 aren't exactly in a position to be dismissive of winning the Tailteann to qualify in Year 2. Using championship or league ranking for balanced provincial draws, the Qualifier Round 1 should feature teams of a similar level. If a county has lost their first provincial game and their first qualifying round, if their third loss is in the Tailteann first round, a summer exit might be fair. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 07/07/2024 08:49:16 2557330 Link 0 |
Different opinions are fair enough. Clubs miss out on qualifying for the Champions League. If they win the Europa League, they are in the next edition of the Champions League. 16 counties and New York miss out on the All-Ireland series. The carrot of winning the Tailteann for qualification in the next year is a fair reward. The three qualifying rounds I listed were for the intention of balanced draws as much as possible. A winnable Qualifier Round 1 for all. The level gets tougher then over Q2 and Q3. It brings back a knockout element as well in parallel with the provincial championships. Provincial weekend 3, provincial weekend 5 and the weekend after provincial weekend 6 would suit the three qualifying rounds. The Tailteann Cup after two bites at All-Ireland qualification can arguably be straight knockout. Three strikes and you are out. No complaints. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 07/07/2024 08:59:16 2557331 Link 0 |
Already 3 Qualification routes to the Sam- NFL, Provincials and last year's Tailteann .
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 07/07/2024 10:39:12 2557346 Link 0 |
Like it used to be in soccer the backpassing to the goalie is killing our game. Until that amongst many other things are rectified then it won't change. Guru coaches are turning our game into Australian rules football and a poor version of it at that. eslinchickenmaryland (Leitrim) - Posts: 194 - 07/07/2024 11:05:48 2557353 Link 0 |
A bad game or two and people throwing the toys out of the pram and looking for rule changes. It will end up completely ruining the sport. Some of the trial rules being brought in are laughable. The Euros have been poor but you don't hear football fans looking for change. I think Gaelic football has been poor due to the silly round robin system. Go back to the original way the qualifiers were done and stop messing with super 8s and groups were you can be atrocious and still make it through thebronze14 (Donegal) - Posts: 45 - 07/07/2024 11:07:09 2557354 Link 0 |
No goalkeeper in Aus Ruies.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 07/07/2024 12:17:09 2557372 Link 1 |
I can't recall 2022 being a great vintage year of wonderful entertaining football .
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 07/07/2024 12:19:01 2557373 Link 0 |
There is but should the league be linked to championship or at the very least possibly used for seeding provincial draws and used for balanced qualifying rounds? 12 of 16 All-Ireland teams have lost their previous match. Bring in qualifiers, at least 9 or 10 will have won their previous game. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 07/07/2024 13:23:16 2557384 Link 0 |
I'm more getting at the knockout round starting at the last 16 phase is worse than having 4 groups of 4. International football and the GAA (and intercontinental club football for that matter too) have some similar issues. The top teams don't play one another enough. The fields are getting split too wide and good teams are kept apart for too long. I get the point that the net has to be widened but I also think that it can't be denied that it's also causing a drop in excitement. I think also players being overwhelmed by games in an issue the codes have in common also. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 07/07/2024 14:57:56 2557397 Link 0 |
Previous European Championships with 16 were enjoyable. International players are being flogged. There have been a lot of poor quality games. Greed. UEFA cares about money! The top tier tournament has been watered down in quality. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 07/07/2024 16:56:53 2557429 Link 0 |
Sporting organisation around the world are following this short term route to profit without caring about the long game. shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 284 - 07/07/2024 18:00:43 2557458 Link 0 |
The 16 groups of 3 meant it still only toom 7 games to win it. One less group game but one extra knock out game. 12 groups of 4 means 8 games to win it now. Mad
Rebel2020 (Cork) - Posts: 89 - 07/07/2024 18:55:00 2557484 Link 0 |