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Players like the rhythm of a game every two weeks. As Leinster and Ulster have 4 rounds, they should require 7 weekends. Connacht and Munster only require 3 rounds, they can play on weekends 2, 4 and 6. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 27/06/2024 10:49:39 2555108 Link 0 |
Maybe a couple of tweaks to the current round robin, and I think more incentive into winning the provincial championship to add the jeopardy. Also think penalties and score difference need to be taken out of equation. Introduce a gold and silver bonus point to provincial winner and losers to settle groups that end in a tie. Grouping the top 16 as is but introduce a knockout round for teams eliminated 'early' in the provincials. Olaf (Galway) - Posts: 3 - 27/06/2024 22:19:35 2555281 Link 0 |
The drawback of groups of 4 with 2 going through is dead rubbers in Round 3. An advantage is that all group games and knockout rounds can be scheduled for every second weekend. The majority of players, managers and even supporters like the rhythm of a game every second weekend. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 28/06/2024 12:55:33 2555373 Link 0 |
A compromise there could be a "twist" on the double elimination - where most teams could advance after only two rounds and any "third game" would be KO: - Tier 1, 16 teams. - Pot 1 has 8 seeds; Pot 2 has 8 non seeds. - Create a "circle" of teams, drawing two teams from Pot 1, followed by two from Pot 2, then two from Pot 1, two from Pot 2 etc until all 16 are drawn. - Each team plays an initial two games (drawn ties possible), hosting the team drawn immediately after them on the circle. - So, each team plays one seed and one non seed, one at home, the other away, based on luck of the draw. - After 2 games, a combined 16-team table is created. - All teams with 2 pts or more "make the cut" and advance to a KO 3rd game (could be 8-16 teams), with byes to QFs (variable, based on team count advancing) and others to Prelim QFs. - Table position to seed the KO rounds (best v worst, 2nd best v 2nd worst etc in each round, subject to non repeat ties, where possible). Any pairings are possible in the first two games (e.g. Dublin v Kerry). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 28/06/2024 14:41:41 2555404 Link 0 |
Allianz Football League: February 11th to April 14th. (R1, R2, rest, R3, R4, R5, rest, R6, R7 and finals) legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 29/06/2024 09:20:14 2555501 Link 0 |
Word on the street in Kerry? Up and down the country? Finishing club championship so late doesn't allow time for Provincial and All Ireland club. In a County like Wexford that trying to provide 7 championship games minimum and 9 total weekends in hurling (and up to 8 in football) your sort of solution doesn't work at all well. Club championships can be played off in 6 weeks per code but is that actually what we should want. The intercounty season is bloated and low stakes right up until the last 4 weekends. Trimming it and giving more time to club really does feel like it'd be a good move overall to me. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 29/06/2024 11:01:17 2555514 Link 1 |
This too heavy approach where the intercounty game absolutely dominates the entirety of the rest of the schedule is real short sighted to be honest. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 29/06/2024 11:04:17 2555515 Link 0 |
There are media reports that the CPA were happy enough with county championships starting in September. Club championships should be complete over six rounds. Provincial club quarter-finals first weekend of December with semi-finals on the third weekend. Provincial club finals at the start of January, All-Ireland club semi-finals two weeks later and then another two weeks for the All-Ireland club finals. Complete. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 29/06/2024 11:44:14 2555523 Link 0 |
If county clubs were given mid September until December and interprovincialclubs went ahead in Jan and Feb with some county players missing early league games, surely that's a better approach all round shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 284 - 29/06/2024 12:51:40 2555537 Link 0 |
One thing this football championship has is a load of meaningless games and a lack of meaningful games. A lot of the group stage games felt like challenge games played in soulless venues lacking atmosphere. Our football championship needs more games to mean something SligoD (Sligo) - Posts: 8 - 29/06/2024 15:00:52 2555570 Link 1 |
I think that's fine as well. It will require agreement on decoupling the league from championship. How 7 teams join 8 provincial finalists and the Tailteann winner in the All-Ireland 16 would have to be figured out however.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 29/06/2024 15:19:18 2555572 Link 0 |
Just pair the two winners together in the 2nd round and it reduces the chances of dead rubber 3rd round games… 3/4 going through is just ridiculous
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 29/06/2024 15:59:58 2555578 Link 0 |
I agree with most of that. I would just add that the Seed 1 or 4 winners should be drawn against the Seed 2 or 3 winners in Round 2A. Similarly the Seed 1 or 4 losers should be drawn against the Seed 2 or 3 losers in Round 2B. This keeps provincial winners who keep on winning apart until the semi-finals. Round 1 is 1 v 4 and 2 v 3. Round 2 is 1 or 4 v 2 or 3.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 29/06/2024 16:39:36 2555582 Link 0 |
Round 1 winners playing in Round 2 is perfectly fine. The GAA's reluctance with it though is that teams on 2 wins against teams on 0 wins are most likely into a dead rubber. If counties were ranking 1 to 16 based on championship knockout progression and group stage performance, with the top 7 qualifying for the next year's championship, a team on 0 wins might at least want to finish as the third best 4th placed team. The worst fourth placed team would be ranked 16th, first in line to be replaced by the Tailteann winner. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 29/06/2024 16:44:40 2555583 Link 0 |
No respect for club players whatsoever.
ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 304 - 30/06/2024 00:16:19 2555816 Link 1 |
And mine above? - "circle" a needless complication? omahant (USA) - Posts: 2730 - 28/06/2024 14:41:41 So, team drawn to "Slot 1" hosts 2, 2 hosts 3 etc. Now, if this was a 3-team group, 3 would host 1 - but I have 3v4 and 16v1 instead - more fixture variety a la the Swiss System. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 30/06/2024 23:23:10 2556105 Link 0 |
Double elimination is straightforward. Circle what now?
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 01/07/2024 18:12:36 2556352 Link 0 |
https://hoganstand.com/Article/Index/332622 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 02/07/2024 12:03:25 2556473 Link 0 |
Given the same timeframe, game count should be trimmed - shorter league (5/6 games per div) and double-elimination AIC.
omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 02/07/2024 16:20:24 2556557 Link 0 |
Copied from my earlier post: - Tier 1, 16 teams. - Pot 1 has 8 seeds; Pot 2 has 8 non seeds. - Create a "circle" of teams, drawing two teams from Pot 1, followed by two from Pot 2, then two from Pot 1, two from Pot 2 etc until all 16 are drawn. - Each team plays an initial two games (drawn ties possible), hosting the team drawn immediately after them on the circle. - So, each team plays one seed and one non seed, one at home, the other away, based on luck of the draw. - After 2 games, a combined 16-team table is created. - All teams with 2 pts or more "make the cut" and advance to a KO 3rd game (could be 8-16 teams), with byes to QFs (variable, based on team count advancing) and others to Prelim QFs. - Table position to seed the KO rounds (best v worst, 2nd best v 2nd worst etc in each round, subject to non repeat ties, where possible). Any pairings are possible in the first two games (e.g. Dublin v Kerry). So in the circle, 1 hosts 2, 2 hosts 3 - but instead of 3 hosting 1 like in a 3-team group - 3 hosts 4 and 1 plays away at 16 (for fixture variety, circle wraps around). Still, teams get a Prelim QF for winning one game (but out of two) and byes for some doing better (bye count variable, based on quantity of teams on 2pts or more). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 02/07/2024 16:31:16 2556560 Link 0 |