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So, with 8 pts shared in each group - how teams advance is based on the various pts-split outcomes: 4400, 4310, 4211, 3311 = top 2 to QFs, other 2 out. 4220, 3320, 3221 = top 3 advance, 1st gets bye to QFs. 2222 = all 4 advance to Prelim QFs. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 19/06/2024 17:41:18 2553069 Link 0 |
https://hoganstand.com/article/index/332458 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 19/06/2024 18:55:30 2553086 Link 0 |
I think in the club game it's not great but it's not as bad. In the inter-county game you have the national league as the opportunity to get games with one another. The club game has the leagues too but in some counties they are almost seen as a friendly competition and so they try to give club panels more games with one another including their county players but not at the full intensity of championship. Again the big issue is that the footprint of the inter county game is too large and it hurts both it and the club game. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 20/06/2024 08:49:31 2553114 Link 1 |
Do they use them for seeding then? E.g Top of 1 section v bottom of other, etc? Match practice as County lads re integrate etc? Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 20/06/2024 09:49:39 2553126 Link 0 |
Basically seeding. The top two from three groups in the Kerry hurling championship advance to the quarter-finals. The remaining 4 teams, (10 teams in 2 groups of 3 and 1 group of 4), contest two preliminary quarter-finals.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 20/06/2024 10:38:19 2553144 Link 0 |
OK, 16 to 12 is better :) - what about my "16 to X" above? - 16 could advance but only if all win 1 of 2 games (instead of actual 1 of 3) - I'd have "all top 8 games" in Groups 1&3 (Rd 1) and Groups 2&4 (Rd 2) before getting down to KO business. Is 16 to X better than 16 to 12 (latter via 4 from Rd 2A & 8 from Rd 3). Given anyone advances with 1 win from 2 games, maybe an Open Draw for rounds Rds 1 & 2 would be better/suffice? (is the Leitrim/Cavan model flawed?) omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 20/06/2024 12:14:15 2553176 Link 0 |
@omahant (USA) - 20/06/2024 12:14:15 legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 20/06/2024 12:38:27 2553182 Link 0 |
Take a break ladeen.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 20/06/2024 12:53:57 2553186 Link 0 |
Mayo and Dublin, Galway and Armagh all knew what was at stake on Sunday and also knew the possible value of points difference in the previous rounds. Both Mayo and Galway failed to get the required wins to earn a q/f place and a two week break, that is what was at stake last Sunday and that jeopardy made the games more interesting. sligo joe (Dublin) - Posts: 775 - 20/06/2024 13:22:29 2553193 Link 0 |
The only way to try and get the thing right is to remove the provincials from the All Ireland competition. Then 32 teams, 4 groups of 8, league format, top 2 in each group in to quarter finals, group winners get home advantage. Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2934 - 20/06/2024 13:38:36 2553200 Link 0 |
You will not get rid of the provincials/ move them to a preseason slot in our lifetime. Turkeys do not vote for Christmas and county boards do not vote to get rid of their own biggest cashcows. Despite the local interest in crunch league games and the novelty of getting to play in the dome in the case of the FBD league, it is still all about championship for a lot of people.
gaelsboy (Leitrim) - Posts: 534 - 20/06/2024 15:11:29 2553218 Link 0 |
Positions 3 and 4 in those groups of 8 go into the Tailteann Cup quarter finals, I don't think it's the worst idea, then get rid of the forward mark, have marks available only from kickouts beyond the 45 mt line. Get rid of the black card, make it a rule that goalies can't come further out than their 21, if they do it's a free in. And then restore the All Ireland final to it's Sept slot, job done. Then stop messing with the rules Tirchonaill1 (Donegal) - Posts: 2934 - 20/06/2024 17:01:41 2553234 Link 0 |
I just don't understand the confidence that people have when they say things like this. The Provincials were really close to being decoupled from the All Ireland and moved to the start of the season in a vote just a matter of years ago. The vote had a majority in favour of such a move just not enough to effect change. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 20/06/2024 17:11:31 2553236 Link 0 |
This wouldn't be a good structure. Too many games between good teams and not good teams that have very little chance of getting remotely close to a top 2 place. Whammo86 (Antrim) - Posts: 4326 - 20/06/2024 17:12:52 2553239 Link 0 |
Oisín McConville is saying there should be a conversation around introducing a third tier. Supposedly a third tier is in the GAA's six format shortlist but the CCCC are not endorsing it. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 20/06/2024 17:59:42 2553246 Link 0 |
4 groups of 8? A single tier competition. You can't be serious?
TheFlaker (Mayo) - Posts: 8021 - 20/06/2024 18:06:43 2553248 Link 0 |
Provincial Councils and their full time officials wield an awful lot of influence in GAA politics. They helped to ensure that proposal you refer to didn't make the 60%. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 20/06/2024 19:01:45 2553256 Link 0 |
So what happens the bottom teams ? Antrim get 3 champ games a year ?
veterngaa (Monaghan) - Posts: 522 - 20/06/2024 19:59:13 2553259 Link 0 |
What nonsense…. Imagine Kerry or Dublin v London…? There would be about 25 at it…. It's more likely we need a 3rd Championship… The Sam Maguire is to top heavy with rubbish and the Taltainn is out of reach for a lot of teams too…
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 20/06/2024 21:17:19 2553268 Link 0 |
@legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8033 - 20/06/2024 12:38:27 omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 20/06/2024 22:45:27 2553282 Link 0 |