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Galway v Armagh, Dublin v Mayo and Kerry v Louth will be good tests of the current system. While going direct to the quarter-finals is a good incentive, is it enough to entice supporters when the runner-up prize is a home game? legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 12/06/2024 10:41:12 2550965 Link 0 |
Jarlath Burns doing a lot of blathering these days. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 12/06/2024 11:48:26 2550986 Link 1 |
It is more exasperated in the groups of 4. Supporters are voting with their feet. Burns it right that the Prenty system would draw criticism that the provincial champions are going stale by waiting more than 4 weeks. The GAA's original plan was knockout all the way for the All-Ireland and double elimination "Old Christy Ring Cup" style for the Tailteann Cup. Seems the most likely outcome. ALL-IRELAND Round 1: Seed 3 v Seed 4 Pre-QF: 4 Provincial runners-up v 4 Round 1 winners. QF: 4 Provincial winners v 4 Pre-QF winners. TAILTEANN CUP Round 1: Seed 1 v Seed 2 Round 2A: 8 Round 1 winners. Round 2B: 8 Round 1 losers. Pre-QF: 4 Round 2A losers v 4 Round 2B winners. QF: 4 Round 2A winners v 4 Pre-QF winners. The wrinkle is where to fit in New York. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 12/06/2024 12:29:20 2550998 Link 0 |
Jarlath/HQ talking to Provinces and Co Boards. Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 12/06/2024 12:48:19 2551004 Link 1 |
That would be good. Another variation along similar lines.... Sam 20 / Tailteann 12 Sam 20 Rd 1A - 4 Prov Champs head-to-head 'double chance' Rd 1B - Next best 16 KO Rd 2A - 2 Rd 1A winners head-to-head Rd 2B - 2 Rd 1A losers & 8 Rd 1B winners QFs - 1 Rd 2A loser & 5 Rd 2B winners SFs - 1 Rd 2A winner & 3 QF winners Tailteann 12 Rd 1A - Best 8 'double chance' Rd 1B - Weakest 4 & 4 Rd 1A losers QFs - 4 Rd 1A winners & 4 Rd 1B winners omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 12/06/2024 15:42:37 2551031 Link 0 |
He is only saying what everyone with an ounce of football knowledge thinks and knows…so when the president of the GAA is talking about it you know there is a big problem…. I don't think any team who lost 3 games in the Munster hurling championship could qualify out of the group…?
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 12/06/2024 15:53:12 2551037 Link 0 |
It is said that '2 from 4' leads to dead rubbers, but '3 from 4' has little jeopardy - so split the difference then? - '2.5 from 4', or just have combined '10 from 16', with Middle 4 to Prelim QFs, and two winners joining top 6 (seeded 1 to 6) in QFs. Or, like the Muns SHC, have '3 of 5' - from 4 groups of 5, with each group containing a Prov Final, spread across different round robin rounds. Or, '5 groups of 4', each with one or two Prov SFs from different Provs (best 10 of 20 to KO). Complete groups targetting similar mixed quality. Other 12 to '3 groups of 4' Tailteann Cup (best 6 of 12 to KO). omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 12/06/2024 17:51:53 2551066 Link 0 |
1. Football Provincial finals legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 12/06/2024 19:06:52 2551074 Link 0 |
Limerick win their 4 games 8pts Cork win their other 3 games 6pts Tipp, Clare and Waterford now have lost 2 games. Then Tipp bt Clare, Clare bt Waterford and Waterford bt Tipp. All on 2 pts, all have lost 3 games. 1 of them goes through to AI Championship Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 12/06/2024 23:44:36 2551098 Link 1 |
You wouldn't get away with not winning at least one game out of your last four in the Championship which you can do in this nonsensical football format…and couple that with the absolute boring dross that's being played and even a blind man can see why nobody in their right minds would pay into these games… Even the President of the GAA says there is a problem so there must be something drastically wrong when a GAA big wig admits to the association getting something wrong… It's only a tiny minority of dimwits who see no problem with the current football championship set up….
ForeverBlue2 (Cavan) - Posts: 2680 - 13/06/2024 08:47:10 2551114 Link 0 |
5/12. Connacht and Munster finals legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 13/06/2024 10:48:43 2551140 Link 0 |
"It is a proposal the CCCC are recommending that counties give serious consideration as it has the potential to ease congestion in the calendar and create a greater 'level' of jeopardy than the current structure with its four-team round-robin groups." legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 13/06/2024 19:08:58 2551275 Link 1 |
Not bad. Maybe provincial finalists should be given home field advantage to put bigger emphasis on front door. It would also give sides like Clare or Meath a leg up after a doing by Kerry/Dublin. Still doesn't solve imbalance of games played though. Ulster side could play 4 tough games to reach same stage Kerry or Mayo get to only playing 2 including one potential weak side. shaggykev (Donegal) - Posts: 284 - 13/06/2024 19:46:54 2551280 Link 0 |
Provincial winners should draw Seed 4 teams at the very least. If there is a separate draw for home advantage, so be it. Galway away to Westmeath, Dublin away to Cavan, Donegal away to Cork or Kerry away to Meath isn't harming anyone. Provincial winners should avoid each other in Round 2A. This will mean provincial winners who win in 2A avoid each other until the semi-finals. Rounds 1, 2A, 2B and 3 should probably have a draw for home advantage. Give everyone a 50:50 chance of home tie and sure, may the best team win on the day. legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 13/06/2024 21:46:41 2551300 Link 0 |
And Dublin get to after 3 training spin walks in the park.
Seanfanbocht (Roscommon) - Posts: 1795 - 13/06/2024 22:02:06 2551304 Link 0 |
My solution to the latter.... Have Uls Champp ties (and other Provs) 'double up' as league games and award match points. Then Kerry/Dublin etc plays those Uls sides as 'league only' games as well, so it's fair. Top teams in league table advance to AIC Playoffs. I think each team could play 12 games (incl Prov ties, 1 to 4) - versus 3 teams from each of 4 seeding pots of 4. Small population of inter-tier Prov ties (top 16 v bottom 16) played separately/can't double up in own tier 16-team league table. omahant (USA) - Posts: 2810 - 14/06/2024 00:25:32 2551318 Link 0 |
Don't think Jarlath or the GAA will be rushing to make any changes. 8 games at the weekend and not a dead rubber among them. All games so far have consequences down the road. Only a half witted clown could believe that we don't have a good system now. Looking forward to a great weekend of football.will make 4 games this weekend,with a club game on Friday and a Juvenile final on Saturday morning and 2 Sam Maguire Round 3 games on Saturday and Sunday. All for the price of a steak dinner. Thank God for the GAA and to hell with the begrudgers and cry baby's. ORIELMAN85 (Monaghan) - Posts: 306 - 14/06/2024 02:57:20 2551328 Link 2 |
Winning the group or home advantage in the Pre-QF. Winning the group is a good prize but not enthusing crowds. The double elimination will mean everyone has a game under their belts in Round 1. Knockout then in Round 2B.
legendzxix (Kerry) - Posts: 8161 - 14/06/2024 09:22:16 2551336 Link 0 |
The group stage system we have now in the A.I.C /T.C is not perfect but it is a massive improvement on what went before i.e the qualifiers. It gives the players a few more guaranteed championship games and when considering the amount of their time and lives that they put into training and preparation that is the least that they deserve. Personally I think there should be more championship games for teams .The ideal option would be a league based championship [with the league absorbed into a 3 tiered championship]. Obviously with more games the attendances per game will be down[the financial aspect and all that] but overall attendances will be up.Lets call it the new norm. Getting back to the current structure---its what goes before the group stage where things are not so good. I do not agree with guaranteeing the provincial runners up a place in the group stage.The division 3 winner should be guaranteed a spot. Then there is the farcical situation where a few teams that are knocked out in the first week of the provincials are left waiting for 5/6 weeks for the group stage . edu (Mayo) - Posts: 58 - 14/06/2024 10:17:16 2551361 Link 0 |
I think you've accidentally hit on a big issue with the current setup. Club Game on Friday; Juvenile Final on Saturday morning and Senior Inter-county on Saturday and Sunday. Sounds like a great advertisement for the Split Season!! Bigger than any format discussion is that we're rushing the competitions for a split season that exists as a notion rather than in reality. The GAA is much bigger than Intercounty and Senior Football. brianb (Kildare) - Posts: 325 - 14/06/2024 10:29:25 2551363 Link 0 |