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Replying To Timbertony:  "Agreed, tactically we were confused last year. League with likes of Casey up front we simply had to play shorter ball and we looked better for it. Championship, Chin was flying in early games but we became very predictable later on in the games that mattered by going direct too often. Chin himself hardly won a ball in last two games.

Agreed on lack of ball players in half back line, look at McInerney for Clare, when he gets ball into his hand he isn't just lumping it, measured passes into space usually. Conor Foley sure can be developed, Molloy maybe, huge problem at 6 with no easy fix (wouldn't be against moving Chin back there like Conlan did without complaint).

To be honest I thought we blew a great chance this year to make a Leinster final with Galway so poor in a very average Leinster championship. Despite the Antrim debacle, we were in a great position v KK and I thought we collapsed in key positions when the game was there for us. Same v Clare early on, they ran through us at will. Time to be bold I think and let some of the more experienced lads move on.."
I agree about last year. We were in a position to be in the final before ever heading to nowlan park.

Hopefully we'll improve and others will be in transition.

I'm very worried about Davy's visit being first up.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3145 - 20/11/2024 11:47:53    2580424

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Replying To Viking66:  "Kyle always struck me as being a better footballer. Shiel would be more of a stickman but wouldn't have Scallans strength. Both would need to improve on the heads up aspect, and taking the right options, and taking them faster. Not sure either are good enough for intercounty hurling on a side with ambitions of winning an AI tbh."
I was reading a lot about kinnerks training techniques last night and you could argue he has personally monopolised the all Ireland as 8 of the Clare lads had him too.

Is there a Wexford academic hiding somewhere who can replicate this?

Apparently their training games are 3 Vs 3 in small patches at above my match intensity trying to keep the ball with passing drills. That shouldn't be complicated to copy.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3145 - 20/11/2024 11:50:35    2580425

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I was reading a lot about kinnerks training techniques last night and you could argue he has personally monopolised the all Ireland as 8 of the Clare lads had him too.

Is there a Wexford academic hiding somewhere who can replicate this?

Apparently their training games are 3 Vs 3 in small patches at above my match intensity trying to keep the ball with passing drills. That shouldn't be complicated to copy."
Where were you reading this Doyler or would you mind posting the link/details ?

grassroots01 (Wexford) - Posts: 177 - 20/11/2024 12:16:26    2580429

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I was reading a lot about kinnerks training techniques last night and you could argue he has personally monopolised the all Ireland as 8 of the Clare lads had him too.

Is there a Wexford academic hiding somewhere who can replicate this?

Apparently their training games are 3 Vs 3 in small patches at above my match intensity trying to keep the ball with passing drills. That shouldn't be complicated to copy."
Plenty of coaches doing similar drills at clubs down here. Those will improve heads up hurling under pressure, basically speed of thought, and basic skills like movement, footwork, touch, handling, pickup etc., basically the speed players can execute at . You can shrink the area down to whatever you want to make the drill harder, and increase defenders to 4 or even 5 if you want to make it really tough.

Kinnerk brings way more than just improving individual players, or groups of players, though. He's constantly tweaking team set up and tactics. The drills you mention just prepare his players individually to carry out the team tactics he wants to pursue.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 20/11/2024 12:36:16    2580431

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I was reading a lot about kinnerks training techniques last night and you could argue he has personally monopolised the all Ireland as 8 of the Clare lads had him too.

Is there a Wexford academic hiding somewhere who can replicate this?

Apparently their training games are 3 Vs 3 in small patches at above my match intensity trying to keep the ball with passing drills. That shouldn't be complicated to copy."
Plenty of coaches doing similar drills at clubs down here. Those will improve heads up hurling under pressure, basically speed of thought, and basic skills like movement, footwork, touch, handling, pickup etc., basically the speed players can execute at . You can shrink the area down to whatever you want to make the drill harder, and increase defenders to 4 or even 5 if you want to make it really tough.

Kinnerk brings way more than just improving individual players, or groups of players, though. He's constantly tweaking team set up and tactics. The drills you mention just prepare his players individually to carry out the team tactics he wants to pursue.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 20/11/2024 13:12:53    2580438

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I agree about last year. We were in a position to be in the final before ever heading to nowlan park.

Hopefully we'll improve and others will be in transition.

I'm very worried about Davy's visit being first up."
Are the fixtures for Leinster campaign out yet?

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 20/11/2024 14:43:37    2580460

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "Are the fixtures for Leinster campaign out yet?"
Was in the Examiner our first fixture is Antrim in the Park.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 20/11/2024 15:03:20    2580466

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Replying To grassroots01:  "Where were you reading this Doyler or would you mind posting the link/details ?"
Here are two different talks from Kinnerk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C76gMjnJVcQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YQgl7qyrSAw&t=3506s

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 354 - 20/11/2024 19:20:14    2580492

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Replying To Doylerwex:  "I agree about last year. We were in a position to be in the final before ever heading to nowlan park.

Hopefully we'll improve and others will be in transition.

I'm very worried about Davy's visit being first up."
I think that if we're getting worried about Antrim playing us first up at Wexford Park, then we're in for a very long season

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 354 - 20/11/2024 19:25:28    2580494

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Replying To Viking66:  "Kyle always struck me as being a better footballer. Shiel would be more of a stickman but wouldn't have Scallans strength. Both would need to improve on the heads up aspect, and taking the right options, and taking them faster. Not sure either are good enough for intercounty hurling on a side with ambitions of winning an AI tbh."
The Leinster winning minor starting team from 2019

Cian Byrne
Dylan Whelan
Kyle Scallan
Joe Conroy
Justin Moran
Cian Molloy
David Codd
Jack Kirwan
Luke Kavanagh
Josh Sheil
Dylan O'Neill
Paddy Whitty
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
David Cantwell

Only Richie and the two Cian's have come through, I thought we might get a few more off that team.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 808 - 21/11/2024 23:12:43    2580661

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Replying To Past hurler:  "The Leinster winning minor starting team from 2019

Cian Byrne
Dylan Whelan
Kyle Scallan
Joe Conroy
Justin Moran
Cian Molloy
David Codd
Jack Kirwan
Luke Kavanagh
Josh Sheil
Dylan O'Neill
Paddy Whitty
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
David Cantwell

Only Richie and the two Cian's have come through, I thought we might get a few more off that team."
To be honest with you, with Minor now being U17, you can only really judge the 17yos off it as I think most of the 16yos aren't developed enough

Out of the team who started the 2019 Leinster Minor Final, I think every single one of them was up to the age; at the time, I thought that Richie Lawlor, Cian Molloy, and AJ Redmond were going to kick on and become senior hurlers with Wexford, had some others down as maybes such as Dylan Whelan, Kyle Sclallan, and Justin Moran. Hasn't worked out yet for various reasons although Richie has been played out of position IMO and is still young, Cian Molloy might have been a Championship starter this year had he not been injured, and I'm fairly sure the reason why AJ has not been in the squad is not because he's not good enough

Funnily enough, the 2020 Minors and the 2022 Minors (Neither of whom made the Leinster Final and the latter lost to Laois in the QF) may end up contributing more to the Senior team, have CBD, Cian Byrne, Conor Foley, and Darragh Carley (And maybe Michael Dundon, wouldn't be as confident on him) from the 2020 side and then Seán Rowley, Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche (Might be a bit positionless at Senior level other than corner-back), and Dylan Purcell from the 2022 Minor team

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 354 - 22/11/2024 14:44:03    2580725

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Replying To Past hurler:  "The Leinster winning minor starting team from 2019

Cian Byrne
Dylan Whelan
Kyle Scallan
Joe Conroy
Justin Moran
Cian Molloy
David Codd
Jack Kirwan
Luke Kavanagh
Josh Sheil
Dylan O'Neill
Paddy Whitty
AJ Redmond
Richie Lawlor
David Cantwell

Only Richie and the two Cian's have come through, I thought we might get a few more off that team."
Scallan has been in Senior squads, Justin might yet break through. Dylan Whelan and Josh Shiel have been on the Senior Panel also. AJ doesn't want to play Senior. Ironically apart from Richie the 3 that have played most Senior minutes were only subs on that team, Conor Foley, Cian Byrne and Tucker Kinsella. Another sub, Oisin Pepper, has also had Senior minutes. And Eoin Ryan wasn't even on that panel as far as I can remember, but was a Senior Championship starter this year.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 22/11/2024 15:29:06    2580737

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "To be honest with you, with Minor now being U17, you can only really judge the 17yos off it as I think most of the 16yos aren't developed enough

Out of the team who started the 2019 Leinster Minor Final, I think every single one of them was up to the age; at the time, I thought that Richie Lawlor, Cian Molloy, and AJ Redmond were going to kick on and become senior hurlers with Wexford, had some others down as maybes such as Dylan Whelan, Kyle Sclallan, and Justin Moran. Hasn't worked out yet for various reasons although Richie has been played out of position IMO and is still young, Cian Molloy might have been a Championship starter this year had he not been injured, and I'm fairly sure the reason why AJ has not been in the squad is not because he's not good enough

Funnily enough, the 2020 Minors and the 2022 Minors (Neither of whom made the Leinster Final and the latter lost to Laois in the QF) may end up contributing more to the Senior team, have CBD, Cian Byrne, Conor Foley, and Darragh Carley (And maybe Michael Dundon, wouldn't be as confident on him) from the 2020 side and then Seán Rowley, Cillian Byrne, Simon Roche (Might be a bit positionless at Senior level other than corner-back), and Dylan Purcell from the 2022 Minor team"
A man I'd have great expectations for would be Eoin Whelan off the 2021 minor team. Dara Kehoe is another excellent defender. Wickham, Parker and Molloy all have potential, Andrew Moran also. Lads like Roche, Rowley and Cillian Byrne still have another year at u20.
Michael Dundon is an excellent prospect also.
But therein lies the rub, there's no knowing how many, or few, of these lads will turn into top Senior intercounty hurlers by the time they hit the start of their physical peak years, around 24 years old.
Realistically of all the lads who have played Senior who were minor since 2019, Richie is still not a nailed on starter. Cian Byrne isn't the finished product yet either. Still not sure that Conor Foley is best at the back, think there might be a midfielder or half forward in him, 2 positions we might need more players for in the coming years as most of the best players coming through off those minor teams 2019-2022 seem to be backs. I've big hopes for Patsy, I still think him and AJ were the best players on that 2019 team.
What we aren't producing are plenty of tall forwards, whatever the reason for that is. Some of the changes in development squad make up might address that problem, but we are looking at least 5 years down the line there.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 22/11/2024 15:46:13    2580743

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Replying To Viking66:  "A man I'd have great expectations for would be Eoin Whelan off the 2021 minor team. Dara Kehoe is another excellent defender. Wickham, Parker and Molloy all have potential, Andrew Moran also. Lads like Roche, Rowley and Cillian Byrne still have another year at u20.
Michael Dundon is an excellent prospect also.
But therein lies the rub, there's no knowing how many, or few, of these lads will turn into top Senior intercounty hurlers by the time they hit the start of their physical peak years, around 24 years old.
Realistically of all the lads who have played Senior who were minor since 2019, Richie is still not a nailed on starter. Cian Byrne isn't the finished product yet either. Still not sure that Conor Foley is best at the back, think there might be a midfielder or half forward in him, 2 positions we might need more players for in the coming years as most of the best players coming through off those minor teams 2019-2022 seem to be backs. I've big hopes for Patsy, I still think him and AJ were the best players on that 2019 team.
What we aren't producing are plenty of tall forwards, whatever the reason for that is. Some of the changes in development squad make up might address that problem, but we are looking at least 5 years down the line there."
Cian Byrne isn't the finished product yet, but he is definitely heading in the right direction with some of the performances he put in this year.

The key for the likes of Cian is to get 1 or 2% better each year like the way the Limerick, Clare or Cork forwards have developed so that you become a real top class inter county forward.

If we had a fully fit (none of them carrying injuries) and fully hurling sharp full forward line next year of

13. Cian Byrne
14. Lee Chin
15. Rory O'Connor

I think we'd be in good shape.

To compliment that full forward line we'd need a hard working and physical half forward line.

10. Oisin Foley
11. Jack O Connor
12. Richie Lawlor/Tucker Kinsella

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 808 - 22/11/2024 22:11:05    2580775

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Best wishes to Dee O'Keefe. Great player for Wexford one of our best in my time.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 22/11/2024 23:31:41    2580780

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All the best to Dee o keefee in his retirement. Massive loss. A fine hurler and a gentleman.

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 311 - 23/11/2024 08:24:00    2580787

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Cian Byrne isn't the finished product yet, but he is definitely heading in the right direction with some of the performances he put in this year.

The key for the likes of Cian is to get 1 or 2% better each year like the way the Limerick, Clare or Cork forwards have developed so that you become a real top class inter county forward.

If we had a fully fit (none of them carrying injuries) and fully hurling sharp full forward line next year of

13. Cian Byrne
14. Lee Chin
15. Rory O'Connor

I think we'd be in good shape.

To compliment that full forward line we'd need a hard working and physical half forward line.

10. Oisin Foley
11. Jack O Connor
12. Richie Lawlor/Tucker Kinsella"
With Rory given licence float where he wanted? Would work if we got the best version of Jacko every time he went out. And once our keeper and backs didn't just resort to looking for the red helmet every time they get the ball.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 23/11/2024 09:31:25    2580790

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Replying To ElGranSenor:  "I think that if we're getting worried about Antrim playing us first up at Wexford Park, then we're in for a very long season"
Did you forget what happened back in April?

Davy Fitz & Antrim will 100% target the Wexford match as one they can get a win.

Past hurler (None) - Posts: 808 - 23/11/2024 09:55:10    2580795

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Replying To Past hurler:  "Did you forget what happened back in April?

Davy Fitz & Antrim will 100% target the Wexford match as one they can get a win."
They weren't far off beating us 2 years ago in the Park either. They had all the momentum in the closing minutes.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13880 - 23/11/2024 10:19:37    2580801

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