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Replying To Doylerwex:  "We competed in both a and b level at each grade didn't we?"
Sorry, as in only the B teams were competitive in u-15 & u-16, A's teams were not near it?

countyman2022 (Wexford) - Posts: 727 - 06/09/2024 11:43:29    2568687

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Replying To Viking66:  "I went up to Ferns and watched our u16As lose to Waterford in the Michael Foley Cup A final after beating Tipp in the SF. We were level when there was a melee and the ref sent off one of our lads but noone from Waterford. Waterford lost last years u15 Arrabawn A final and are a good team, although we beat them in a challenge game earlier this year. Our u15As won the U15A Arrabawn Shield, they only lost one "championship" game all year, to Cork. And our u14As reached the Tony Forristal A final for the 1st time since 2011, we were level at the end of normal time but Kilkenny scored a couple of frees in injury time to win it. All in all we had a very positive end to our intercounty underage season! Our u15s, u16s and minors should all be pretty competitive next year. Our u16s looked to be a better team than our minors this year!"
Thanks for the update on Wexford underage teams, green shoots?
Being competitive is the key at underage, and we need teams to have a few stars. Remember this Offaly team was spoken about since Tony Forristal days.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 06/09/2024 12:53:33    2568706

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On the topic of championship structure, if you want more jeopardy in these games maybe an AFL style knock-out stage is needed.
Basically, the top teams play each other with the loser playing the winners of further down.
So in Wexford Championship, finals would look like

Week 1:
5th v 6th in each group
3rd v 4th in each group

Week 2:
1st v 2nd in each group (Winners : through to county semi finals) - Game A
Winners 3rd/4th v 5th/6th - Game B

Week 3:
Losers Game A v Winners Game B

Week 4:
County semi finals.

Big advantage here is there is a big incentive to finish in top two - get a week off before county semi final if you win, and you get a 2nd chance if you lose. So finishing in the top 2 has huge advantages.

My own opinion from my playing days I feel no team finishing 6th in a 6 team group has any place still being in the championship. Relegation finals are awful things to play in but if you end up 6th in a group, that is the only game you deserve to play after that.

StoreysTash (Wexford) - Posts: 1785 - 06/09/2024 13:30:58    2568709

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@StoreysTash - interesting idea about the second chance for teams who finish first and second, and I like it in principle.

However, an immediate potential difficulty is a calendar-based one, as it would need an extra round of matches, and therefore push the whole thing out to ten rounds from the nine it is now, and the eight that it used to be.

And if football pushed for the same structure, as they surely would, then it would ultimately push the whole thing out to 20 rounds of matches instead of the 16 that we had up to this year.

No way of doing that and still being ready for Leinster unless there was a raft of midweek games in the early stages, which nobody seems to have an appetite for. And would be even more difficult if our championships couldn't start until later than they did this year, e.g. if Wexford reached an All-Ireland Hurling semi-final, or a Tailteann Cup Final.

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2619 - 06/09/2024 15:03:42    2568724

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Replying To countyman2022:  "Sorry, as in only the B teams were competitive in u-15 & u-16, A's teams were not near it?"
U16As got to the Michael Foley Cup Final, where they lost to Waterford. Waterford reached last years u15A Arrabawn final, so would be one of the best teams at the grade. It was an even enough game up until there was a melee, after which we had a lad sent off while Waterford didn't, but should have also. There were no linesmen to help the ref. Playing 2 1 hour games in 3 hours meant we just didn't have the energy left to compete with 14 men for the remainder of the half.
U15As won the Arrabawn Shield, which I suppose means they finished 5th. Tipp were better than e eryone else at u15 this year, there would be nothing between us and the other 3 counties who contested the Arrabawn Cup semifinals.
And our u14As reached the Tony Forristal Final, where they were level with Kilkenny coming into injury time.
We were one of the best counties at A level at u14, u15 and u16.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 06/09/2024 16:27:46    2568740

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Replying To StoreysTash:  "Thanks for the update on Wexford underage teams, green shoots?
Being competitive is the key at underage, and we need teams to have a few stars. Remember this Offaly team was spoken about since Tony Forristal days."
Absolutely Storeystash. It has to start at the bottom. At u6 and u8. Then progress up.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 06/09/2024 16:30:33    2568744

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Replying To Viking66:  "U16As got to the Michael Foley Cup Final, where they lost to Waterford. Waterford reached last years u15A Arrabawn final, so would be one of the best teams at the grade. It was an even enough game up until there was a melee, after which we had a lad sent off while Waterford didn't, but should have also. There were no linesmen to help the ref. Playing 2 1 hour games in 3 hours meant we just didn't have the energy left to compete with 14 men for the remainder of the half.
U15As won the Arrabawn Shield, which I suppose means they finished 5th. Tipp were better than e eryone else at u15 this year, there would be nothing between us and the other 3 counties who contested the Arrabawn Cup semifinals.
And our u14As reached the Tony Forristal Final, where they were level with Kilkenny coming into injury time.
We were one of the best counties at A level at u14, u15 and u16."
That's the Michael Foley A Cup Final our u16As reached the Final of Countyman2022. They beat Tipp in the SF, while Waterford beat Cork in the other semifinal. Think Kilkenny won the Shield.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 07/09/2024 06:29:39    2568804

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Is the Walsh cup gone this year or is it just the football preseason games. I've only read that football is gone but I saw buff going off on one saying Walsh cup and Munster league is gone

Wexfordgaa (Wexford) - Posts: 310 - 12/09/2024 07:52:29    2569484

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Is the Walsh cup gone this year or is it just the football preseason games. I've only read that football is gone but I saw buff going off on one saying Walsh cup and Munster league is gone"
I hope the walsh cup isnt gone . Its a good warm up for younger and fringe players going into the league. No need to play Chinner , ROC , Mac, Jippo etc in the walsh cup in my opinion

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 12/09/2024 10:43:59    2569500

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Replying To Wexfordgaa:  "Is the Walsh cup gone this year or is it just the football preseason games. I've only read that football is gone but I saw buff going off on one saying Walsh cup and Munster league is gone"
Yes, all pre-season tournaments (football and hurling) are gone. As things stand, it's just a one-year suspension of them, but obviously it remains to be seen if they'll ever come back.

Rossi's thoughts on it here:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/were-going-miss-walsh-cup-33631557
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Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2619 - 12/09/2024 11:11:32    2569507

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Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yes, all pre-season tournaments (football and hurling) are gone. As things stand, it's just a one-year suspension of them, but obviously it remains to be seen if they'll ever come back.

Rossi's thoughts on it here:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/were-going-miss-walsh-cup-33631557
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I asked the question yesterday of a man in the know would the League be starting earlier and he said no, not as far as he knows. Being as the intercounty managers will now be arranging challenge games instead anyway, what exactly is the benefit of scrapping those competitions then?

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 12/09/2024 14:26:22    2569568

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Replying To Viking66:  "
Replying To Pikeman96:  "Yes, all pre-season tournaments (football and hurling) are gone. As things stand, it's just a one-year suspension of them, but obviously it remains to be seen if they'll ever come back.

Rossi's thoughts on it here:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/were-going-miss-walsh-cup-33631557
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I asked the question yesterday of a man in the know would the League be starting earlier and he said no, not as far as he knows. Being as the intercounty managers will now be arranging challenge games instead anyway, what exactly is the benefit of scrapping those competitions then?"
Its absolutely pointless Viking

Afinestick96 (Wexford) - Posts: 359 - 12/09/2024 15:14:28    2569575

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Yes, all pre-season tournaments (football and hurling) are gone. As things stand, it's just a one-year suspension of them, but obviously it remains to be seen if they'll ever come back.

Rossi's thoughts on it here:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/were-going-miss-walsh-cup-33631557
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I asked the question yesterday of a man in the know would the League be starting earlier and he said no, not as far as he knows. Being as the intercounty managers will now be arranging challenge games instead anyway, what exactly is the benefit of scrapping those competitions then?"
Its absolutely pointless Viking"]I agree. We'll just end up with roughly the same number of matches anyway, but they'll be challenge matches rather than Walsh Cup or O'Byrne Cup.

And at least with those two competitions, a few quid went to the Players Injury Fund. There'll be nothing going into it next year unless counties decide to charge people to watch challenge matches and then hand the money over anyway. That's about as likely to happen as clubs deciding to vote in favour of taking powers away from them when it comes to deciding club championships structure!

Pikeman96 (Wexford) - Posts: 2619 - 12/09/2024 17:09:28    2569597

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Replying To Afinestick96:  "
Replying To Viking66:  "[quote=Pikeman96:  "Yes, all pre-season tournaments (football and hurling) are gone. As things stand, it's just a one-year suspension of them, but obviously it remains to be seen if they'll ever come back.

Rossi's thoughts on it here:
https://www.irishmirror.ie/sport/gaa/hurling/hurling-news/were-going-miss-walsh-cup-33631557
link"
I asked the question yesterday of a man in the know would the League be starting earlier and he said no, not as far as he knows. Being as the intercounty managers will now be arranging challenge games instead anyway, what exactly is the benefit of scrapping those competitions then?"
Its absolutely pointless Viking"]That's what I was thinking. At least if they used that time to start the League earlier there would be some free weekends later on in the intercounty season for replays or rest weekends.

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 12/09/2024 17:50:24    2569610

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I think there's a round too many in the current Championship but if you wanted to keep the current number of gameweeks, you could have the following;

Qualifying Finals
1A vs 2B
1B vs 2A

Elimination Finals
3A vs 4B
3B vs 4A

5th in both groups are done for the year and 6th in each group play each other in the relegation final

The winners of the two Qualifying Finals go straight through to the SFs whilst the losers go to the QFs

The winners of the Elimination Finals advance to the QFs whilst the losers are done for the year

Could maybe have 1st at home to 2nd and 3rd at home to 4th to make coming 1st and 3rd more attractive than coming 2nd and 4th respectively

ElGranSenor (Wexford) - Posts: 353 - 12/09/2024 21:28:44    2569631

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I had no problem with removing the pre season tournaments with a view to starting the national leagues a bit earlier which in turn would give the cramped intercounty season a little bit more time to breathe.

Seems utterly pointless if that's not actually going to be the reason for removing them

tearintom (Wexford) - Posts: 1426 - 13/09/2024 08:57:28    2569660

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Replying To tearintom:  "I had no problem with removing the pre season tournaments with a view to starting the national leagues a bit earlier which in turn would give the cramped intercounty season a little bit more time to breathe.

Seems utterly pointless if that's not actually going to be the reason for removing them"
Surely it ll help the college lads not having to play county on weekend and college midweek they can give it their all . Yes may have to train alright but can play at sigerson/fitzgibbon level which would be nearly all players at inter County level anyway.
If we starved of games ye could do worse than attend these competitions .
Must ve had their reasons is it players said no
they need some down time too after club snd county .
Still ne games but not in competition

Formertownie (Wexford) - Posts: 300 - 13/09/2024 10:48:24    2569677

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I know people love to get out to a match in January but you learn nothing about a lad hurling on a bog in January, and all you do is make them start training earlier because Rossiter or Niall O Ceallachain don't want to lose badly in January.
It would be great to see al forms of collective training banned until January and give our players a proper break. Their bodies all need a break from this.

ExiledInWex (Dublin) - Posts: 1259 - 13/09/2024 18:18:28    2569757

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Congratulations to Lee Chin and Rory O'Connor for their all star nominations!

Viking66 (Wexford) - Posts: 13853 - 20/09/2024 09:09:23    2570898

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Replying To Viking66:  "Congratulations to Lee Chin and Rory O'Connor for their all star nominations!"
Great news.

Conor Mac showed great form too and in other years Cian Byrne might have been in yhoty territory.

Big story of the day for me is Kilkenny only have one forward and it's not tj.

Doylerwex (Wexford) - Posts: 3142 - 20/09/2024 10:34:06    2570919

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